Think of how stupid the average person is and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin
Honestly I thought he was merely reinforcing it, he didn't say that Episode 2 and 3 were good in that review, just that episode 1 was ok and not as bad. Although insulting an entire group of people because they do something for fun that you don't like I agree is retarded, "herp ok I guess my PhD degree means nothing and that I am a retard because I like Transformers", what you like for entertainment is totally unrelated to how smart you are really.Casual Shinji said:Way to contradict yourself... again. *points to The Phantom Menace episode*
Oh, and nice one on insulting the fans of these movies... again.
Seriously, Bob; Grow up.
I second this motion. I'm so tired of Bob's whining about movies he doesn't like. Hey, Bob, if you think the movie is dumb, just say so and then shut up about it, but don't be surprised if someone likes it anyway. Too many of his positive reviews (especially when he raves about something) have lead to disappointment when the movie is just average (I'm looking at you, Scott Pilgrim). I'm sure I'll catch flak from fanboys for that one.Casual Shinji said:Way to contradict yourself... again. *points to The Phantom Menace episode*
Oh, and nice one on insulting the fans of these movies... again.
Seriously, Bob; Grow up.
Burn.SpiderJerusalem said:Oh great, another Bob rant about how Transformers fans are stupid, idiotic drooling morons and how he is the lone voice of smart reason.
Ugh, really, Escapist, you're actually paying him for writing these self-congratulatory, masturbation pieces that he's ALREADY DONE, not once, not even twice, but three times now!
With all your money troubles and such, you'd think that there would be better places and better people to spend the last few schillings on. Hell, I could point out people here on the forums and the commentators on these sections that would be less biased, more accurate and certainly a hell of a lot less judgmental, offensive and downright lazy than Bob.
And THAT'S the big picture.
Funny, growing up with Godzilla films I never thought they were bad movies. Japan's way of making movies differs from American ways of making movies. In fact, many Japanese movies still, insofar as I know, use people in suits for monster films while the US insists on lackluster CGI with no presence. At least when you saw Godzilla, you knew he was actually there and not something cooked up on a computer over the weekend.CronoT said:Bob, I just had a realization. Remember how foreign films critics AT THE TIME were always harping on the low budget and stilted acting of the Godzilla films from Toho? Those are considered classics of the film genre now.
I think you're missing something, to be honest. Either you clearly didn't actually watch more than maybe a couple episodes of the shows you're talking about, or you really don't like kids and/or Humans at all. Well, it could also be that you just don't like the old material, since the one example you said was good was one of the most recent series.NortherWolf said:G1 had Spike, Chip, Daniel and Carly.
The Unicron Trilogy had some of the most horrible humans ever.
The old comics had Spike, Daniel, G.B Blackrock etc.
Transformers Animated had Sari.
Transformers Prime had those three brats who's death cannot come soon enough.
Transformers has basically never been about robots fighting. The only ones who half-arsedly tried to give that to us fans were Dreamwave and IDW. then McCarthy ruined that part about IDW too.
You want to know why? Even if you and me would love to see the war solely from the Transformer's perspective, that won't sell to the broad masses who are needed to make the movie earn a profit.
I learned this a long time ago when I prayed for the next Transformers cartoon to be like The War Within.
Then again, Transformers: Prime is damn good.
Re: his positive reviews about a lot of movies (Suckerpunch, Scott Pilgrim, etc):Nigh Invulnerable said:I second this motion. I'm so tired of Bob's whining about movies he doesn't like. Hey, Bob, if you think the movie is dumb, just say so and then shut up about it, but don't be surprised if someone likes it anyway. Too many of his positive reviews (especially when he raves about something) have lead to disappointment when the movie is just average (I'm looking at you, Scott Pilgrim). I'm sure I'll catch flak from fanboys for that one.Casual Shinji said:Way to contradict yourself... again. *points to The Phantom Menace episode*
Oh, and nice one on insulting the fans of these movies... again.
Seriously, Bob; Grow up.
(comment found here: http://io9.com/5785590/)Marasai said:Nerds tend to have a kind of elitism about ourselves where we like to think we know better, and are better than regular people. See the level of complaint any time a nerd property is about to become mainstream. A freind actually said he was mad that Michael Bay was going to ruin TMNT. I had to explain to him that is impossible because TMNT was already incredibly stupid. But he was having none of it.
IN short, nerds don't like to think that we turn our brains off to enjoy things, so EVERYTHING has to be about something grander so the narrative we've constructed still frames us as the intellectual hero.
So someone who enjoys something he KNOWS to be bad, has to come up with some elaborate excuse. for why it is actually incredibly complex and the rest of them just 'don't get it'.
Interesting response and link. I think this basically hits the nail on the head. People, in general, who are into something that is a little "underground" like to think it caters to their specific taste and always will, but then go berserk when it gets adapted and changed in a slight way they dislike. My own example would be the Hitchhiker's guide movie. Each version, tv, books, and radio, have been different from the others. Partly due to Douglas Adams desire to mess with people and partly because different mediums do things in distinct ways.minuialear said:Re: his positive reviews about a lot of movies (Suckerpunch, Scott Pilgrim, etc):Nigh Invulnerable said:I second this motion. I'm so tired of Bob's whining about movies he doesn't like. Hey, Bob, if you think the movie is dumb, just say so and then shut up about it, but don't be surprised if someone likes it anyway. Too many of his positive reviews (especially when he raves about something) have lead to disappointment when the movie is just average (I'm looking at you, Scott Pilgrim). I'm sure I'll catch flak from fanboys for that one.Casual Shinji said:Way to contradict yourself... again. *points to The Phantom Menace episode*
Oh, and nice one on insulting the fans of these movies... again.
Seriously, Bob; Grow up.
(comment found here: http://io9.com/5785590/)Marasai said:Nerds tend to have a kind of elitism about ourselves where we like to think we know better, and are better than regular people. See the level of complaint any time a nerd property is about to become mainstream. A freind actually said he was mad that Michael Bay was going to ruin TMNT. I had to explain to him that is impossible because TMNT was already incredibly stupid. But he was having none of it.
IN short, nerds don't like to think that we turn our brains off to enjoy things, so EVERYTHING has to be about something grander so the narrative we've constructed still frames us as the intellectual hero.
So someone who enjoys something he KNOWS to be bad, has to come up with some elaborate excuse. for why it is actually incredibly complex and the rest of them just 'don't get it'.
Hiroshi Mishima said:I've seen every episode of the shows I listed except Prime*shrugs*I've read every comic and own most of them.CronoT said:I think you're missing something, to be honest. Either you clearly didn't actually watch more than maybe a couple episodes of the shows you're talking about, or you really don't like kids and/or Humans at all. Well, it could also be that you just don't like the old material, since the one example you said was good was one of the most recent series.
The thing with the Transformers movies isn't that they HAD people, but that they had uninteresting people that often took center stage while the robots did their thing in the background. At least in the first two movies, it wasn't so bad in Dark of the Moon. You claim that Transformers was never about robots fighting, and yet that's what made up many of the cartoons. While Chip, Carly, and others certainly showed up from time to time, their roles were often backdrops to what was going on. Hell, the episode "Autobot Spike" had his brain put into an empty robot body and he goes crazy and we get lots of "robots fighting", so again I can't really see your point.
If the old show had something going against it, it would have been the lack of a consistent overarching storyline, but since this was the 80's and that was rarely done in those days, it just didn't happen with stuff like GI Joe, Thundar, and Voltron. The overall plots might move along after a while, but most of the episodes were still pretty standalone.
And honestly, the character of Sam and the others in the movies would've been better if they'd been better written. Trying to throw in cheap laughs that don't flow naturally, romantic subplots that weren't really necessary, AND low-brow sex-appeal (in a movie about robots) is really a large part of what undermined the movies' appeal.
And of course I hate the humans in the shows; they're horrible written annoyances. Which is why I didn't mind the humans in the live-action movies that much. They were all over the place, sure, but they were mostly tolerable. (Okay, except for Leo and Sam).
And my view of the old material is split. I understand the importance of it to me since it got me hooked to Transformers, but it's horribly dated. My Season 1 Transformers G1 DVD rots in the shelf because I can't watch it, even with Cullen and Welker.
Now, as for the fourth movie...DO I want one? Hell yes. Do I want it to be Bay's movie? No, absolutely not. Do I still think MovieBob is a pretentious prick? Oh, absolutely.
i wasn't saying that the problem was the dialog, the problem was that bay focused on the humans, and practically just threw the robots into the background.marurder said:Incidently, Transformers 3 was THE biggest movie in China last year. And most of them saw it dubbed into Chinese, so dialogue really isn't that important when making money. (watch any movie dubbed into Chinese it sounds AWFUL - bad lip sync, and voices don't fit any actor or situation at all)
But how to make it relate-able to the masses!??!jack583 said:here's a tip for mr bay:
KEEP...
HUMANS...
OUT OF IT......