- Mar 4, 2012
Saw the title, thought to myself:
I did do both, I still think the movie was terrible.Hoplon said:Actually he's saying "don't hate the film because it is quote "misogynistic" but because it's a bad film."AxelxGabriel said:Seriously dude? You went to all this trouble to make not one, but two videos just to say how better you are then all of us just because we dont like a movie you do?
Fuck you Bob and your pretentiousness.
So congratulations on not listening. or watching.
Maybe. I dont know to be honest. But if you are correct then what does that say about Syder? He marketed it a certain way to get those people he wanted to mock in the theatres. Because those people are the target audience, the people he needs so that his movie can make money. I find that hypercritical to be honest.Sutter Cane said:
I don't think Bob has at any point claimed that Sucker Punch was a great or even good movie. The entire point of these videos is to point out the subtle and not-so-subtle things that most viewers and reviewers (your comparison to Spec Ops: The Line is quite apt) are missing.Oskuro said:I didn't get all these subtleties when I saw the movie, but I think my subconscious did, if only for the feelings I had as the movie closed. I had this sense of dread regarding the female characters that clearly told me the movie was *not* about female empowerment as I originally thought, but more about their victimization.
I liked the movie.
I understand why so many people don't.
I think MovieBob's analysis has merit, and agree with him on the points he makes, but also think it doesn't excuse the movie's poor execution. But, then again, I'd rather have a movie like this that clumsily tries to make a point and risks the backlash, than the dozens of mind-numbing "safe" movies we usually get.
Anyway, my two cents.
See I don't think that makes sense. Maybe if it was a short film it would have that impact but at feature length it was silly. Either you have someone liked the "sexy dance party" and then get insulted that the movie calls them pig or you have someone watch the "sexy dance party" and say, "you know what? Movie you are right these people who enjoy you are pigs". The problem is the first viewer still gets to enjoy the rest of the movie drooling at it and the second is forced to walk out of the movie theater or see women get debased and molested again and again for the first ones enjoyment.Scrustle said:Finally, someone is actually taking a worthwhile look at this film instead of just dismissing it as sexist pandering. I really liked this film myself.
I never really found the film misogynistic. I never felt like the movie was trying to make me look at the girls as sexually appealing, despite their costumes. They were just a side effect of the world the film was set in. The whole criticism of how the film is supposed to be dressing up soft porn as "empowerment" seemed so forced to me. It didn't feel like either of those. Maybe people just threw that criticism at the film because that's what people usually say about films that look like this. They didn't bother to look closer, or simply accept that there might be narrative reasons why the girls are dressed as they are, and not just to titillate the audience.
But the metaphor of the strip-tease and the action scenes and how that relates to the viewer sounds really interesting. It makes a whole lot of sense. I always had a feeling there was more going on in that film that it was letting on. The layers of fantasy weren't just Inception-esque plot devices to allow them to change scenery, they had meaning to them. I kind of got that the action scenes were analogous to the strip-tease, but adding the viewer in to the metaphor is genius. I never thought of that myself, but it makes perfect sense.
Well basically there are some people who project their own rape fantasies into the movie *cough* Bob *cough* and some to who if it's never mentioned/implied/shown then it's just not there. There is dominance and abuse going on, but bear in mind that "Level 1" is the "real world" with real consequences and anything that can be proven gets punished. (which totally lost me when two of the characters get killed and are then prety much erased, unless they were simply figments in "Level 2" that didn't have counterparts in "Level 1").The Human Torch said:I saw Suckerpunch several times after I bought it on Blu-Ray (it went out of movietheatres very quickly in my country, so I missed it there), and I really enjoyed it.
I got the fantasy within the fantasy, but not for one moment did any thought of feminism, opressed and stereotypical females and audience mocking come to my moment. My girlfriend watched this movie with me, she missed the message as well.
For a movie that is supposed to carry over this message, it really sucks at doing so. And perhaps that is it's major flaw.