So what you're saying is that the Jay Leno crowd is being rejected not because they're a bunch of out-of-touch old fogeys, but because they're not shallow and materialistic enough.MovieBob said:This was also the nitty-gritty reality behind the "Purge" itself, if we're being honest... If Petticoat Junction's homespun audience could've been relied upon to respond to ads for new fashions, new appliances etc as well as The Mary Tyler Moore Show's, it would've stayed on the air. Maude's audience was more likely to buy new cars, Andy Griffith's audience was more likely to just keep fixing their old one - if you're General Motors, which show do you advertise on?
Why is it scary? It's the reality of how advertising-supported entertainment has worked since the postwar era. It's just the consequence of an economy that's fixated on getting consumers to make emotionally-motivated purchases of things they don't really need. How many consumers above the age of 65 want a smartphone? How many are going to drop upwards of $400+ on one? How many are going to buy a $500 video game console or a $30,000+ SUV? It doesn't really matter how much money the aging boomer demographic has if they're more worried about paying for their retirement than buying the latest gadget. Let them watch the cable news networks, where they can see all the ads for Cialis and Craftmatic beds they want.Steve the Pocket said:So what you're saying is that the Jay Leno crowd is being rejected not because they're a bunch of out-of-touch old fogeys, but because they're not shallow and materialistic enough.
That's a scary thought.
No, I don't think that's what Bob is saying.Steve the Pocket said:So what you're saying is that the Jay Leno crowd is being rejected not because they're a bunch of out-of-touch old fogeys, but because they're not shallow and materialistic enough.
Gen-X has finally started to take political power from the voters. The problem is that they've let the boomers sit around too long. The old-guard is so entrenched that they can take an actual reform movement and turn it racist (does anyone even remember the TEA party before the "Tea party express" coopted it?). So now we have the younger generations pretty explicitly saying "oh, as soon as you die or retire, we're ripping your legacy to shreds because you're not listening, and haven't forever"Scorpid said:Can the end of "heartland America" or "real america" or "Values voters" just be already. I've been hearing this line from both sides of the political spectrum since I've been alive, and know it's existed even longer then that.
I agree mostly with what your saying here. The only thing I see differently is that the gen-xers haven't had much choice but to keep the boomers around. Previous generations would usually hand over the reigns of power/control when they felt the younger generation was ready. In this way the younger generation would receive opportunity from the older generations. Sadly the boomers have changed that. In their selfishness they are instead trying to keep control till they die which is depriving the gen-xers of any real political opportunity unless they adhere to the standards of the boomers by proxy. Most gen-xers actually have more in common with the younger generations than they do with the boomers as far as outlook goes. The boomers seem to be aware of that and it only seems to compel them to hold onto what they have much tighter.MCerberus said:Gen-X has finally started to take political power from the voters. The problem is that they've let the boomers sit around too long. The old-guard is so entrenched that they can take an actual reform movement and turn it racist (does anyone even remember the TEA party before the "Tea party express" coopted it?). So now we have the younger generations pretty explicitly saying "oh, as soon as you die or retire, we're ripping your legacy to shreds because you're not listening, and haven't forever"Scorpid said:Can the end of "heartland America" or "real america" or "Values voters" just be already. I've been hearing this line from both sides of the political spectrum since I've been alive, and know it's existed even longer then that.
So yah, the last rhetorical descendant of the "silent majority" is going to be purged. However, there's no real hurry because every time their oncoming irrelevance comes up, they yell, scream, and make everything worse to show they're still "important".
Do you have any actual examples of that? It's human nature to maintain power as long as possible. I very much doubt that previous generations were any different.Aramis Night said:Previous generations would usually hand over the reigns of power/control when they felt the younger generation was ready. In this way the younger generation would receive opportunity from the older generations.
Ty for the spelling correction. I don't normally waste my time on spelling provided that the context of my text is understood.Aardvaarkman said:Do you have any actual examples of that? It's human nature to maintain power as long as possible. I very much doubt that previous generations were any different.Aramis Night said:Previous generations would usually hand over the reigns of power/control when they felt the younger generation was ready. In this way the younger generation would receive opportunity from the older generations.
Also, the word you are looking for is "reins," not "reigns."
But the Baby Boomers also engage in mentorship.Aramis Night said:The entire concept of mentorship is based on this idea. It's something that many humans have been doing since we lived in tribes. Older people grooming younger people to replace them, and not just as a proxy. Previous generations had a sense of their own obsolescence, and would volunteer to take a more background position among their group. A position of respect typically.
I don't think the Late Show appeals to conservatives at all, so he should fit right in. I don't know what they would sensor, to be honest. Steven Colbert is a caricature named after the actual person.ZeroAE said:The old Late Show viewers are gonna complain of Colbert's political view, and leave for something similar to what they watch.
CBS will probably censor Colbert to a degree, but it'll still be a change.
What does Leno have to do with this? He has never hosted The Late Show. The show was hosted by David Letterman. Leno hosted a completely different show - The Tonight Show.Baresark said:Eh, this is the first time I have ever considered watching, but I probably won't anyway. The Late Show is just... well it's shit. I don't usually care about the content, it was never very funny in my lifetime. I have always hated Jay Leno... so that kept me away the most.
This seems about right to me. TV is just a million times less convenient than watching something on the internet. Why on Earth would I want to warp my schedule around TV programming when I can just watch something anytime, anywhere?faefrost said:All of this is kind of moot. Yeah CBS is looking to bring in the "hip" new "cool cats" them "teenagers" and younger folk. But just as with politics, these decisions are still being made by aging boomers with no respect for those who came after them, and virtually no idea of how they actually do things, particularly consume entertainment anymore. Yeah them teenagers like Stephen Colbert. But do they actually sit down to watch scheduled programming? Colbert works well in a short format. 20 minutes total, that is easily broken into 2 or 3 easily digested YouTube segments. But will the kids follow him into an extended hour long snooze fest interviewing the Kardashians and similar narcissistic celebrity types, over and over, night after night? Or will they just grab whatever comes next as a short funny presenter over the Internet?
I know Bob says that ratings don't matter. But ultimately they sort of do. Even when skewed for concentrations of desirable demographics. Heck it would not surprise me if their are more regular eyeballs in that sweet demographic looking at Bobs offerings each week, then there are looking at Colbert or Stewarts scheduled cable broadcast shows now. (As we saw from that disturbingly explosive Jim thread from a few weeks ago. The ad pimps simply have not found a smooth acceptable way to measure you and inject their content into your brain out here on the interwebz as of yet. ) Colbert won't lose to Jimmy Fallon. He and the old guard networks will lose and are already losing to Netflix and YouTube and the XBox dashboard, and whatever comes after them. CBS needs something more then the Great Rural Purge. They need the great broadcast purge. They need to cut down the antennae and let people watch the way the kids do now. As they wish. But CBS, ABC and NBC cannot do that. They are too tied to the affiliates. They franchised their business model back in the dawn of time. And now they can't steer the ship away from the iceberg without throwing the Franchises overboard. And they can't do that because the franchises are too powerful. They rule local politics among other things. (Or at least they rule the aging and decrepit baby boomers that rule local politics.)
The end result is that they are hobbled from taking a real look at their aging and slowly dying business model, they are instead attempting to give them young uns a bit o spectacle. Show that they can be hip and edgy. That'll bring the kids to them. See, they're still relevant. Just like them record stores and the brick and mortar bookstores. And the brick and mortar game stores like GameStop.
I don't think so. Letterman was pretty damn liberal, so it won't be much of a change politically.ZeroAE said:I'm kinda confused of why they CBS chose Colbert. It's a lose/lose situation for them.
The old Late Show viewers are gonna complain of Colbert's political view, and leave for something similar to what they watch.
Lol, I got my shows mixed up. It doesn't really matter though, they are all about the same.Aardvaarkman said:What does Leno have to do with this? He has never hosted The Late Show. The show was hosted by David Letterman. Leno hosted a completely different show - The Tonight Show.Baresark said:Eh, this is the first time I have ever considered watching, but I probably won't anyway. The Late Show is just... well it's shit. I don't usually care about the content, it was never very funny in my lifetime. I have always hated Jay Leno... so that kept me away the most.