The Escapist Presents: Starcraft 2 101: Terran
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A good ling rush will hit you long before you can get more than 1 cannon up. It typically hits with 6-8 lings ~90 seconds into the game.Wiezzen said:
It's really not that hard to counter though. Build 2 Gateways and have them constantly spitting out Zealots and you'll have at least 4 of them by the time the rush hits, and 4 zealots is more than enough for the majority of ling rushes.
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My money's on Slycne.silensay said:
The problem is more the money for the cannons instead of the timing. If you build only cannons from the get go, yea you'll have 3 or so when the ling rush hits.Wiezzen said:
The problem with that is you're just as set back after the rush as they are, if not moreso. You're a solid 65 seconds behind with your Gateway, and then 33 seconds per Zealot (with proper use of Chrono Boost, probably down ~25 seconds on average). If they used that time at all intelligently, they'll have a sizable force ready by the time you move out the door. They may not be able to take out your base right away, but you're really behind for the later game.
Usually much better to throw up 2 gateways and zealots instead of cannons.
Sometimes. I haven't since they nerfed the Warp Gate research time though.Wiezzen said:
It was hit or miss, based on if they built detectors quick enough, but when it worked, it was a game ender. Warp Prism + 3 Warp Gates = DTs all over their workers. It likely won't work nearly as well anymore, but I have yet to try it since the nerf.
I have never used High Templars though, nor the t1 support from Gateways, I'm spacing on the name.
Well, yes they're respectable when fully upgraded but the almighty zerg rush seems to be a thing of the past. late game with a queen or two and a few hatcheries and you can produce a staggering number of lings in barely any time at all.John Funk said:
Anyways, if you do a 6 ling rush I feel the amount of minerals you would deter from your enemy is less than you yourself would lose from building the lings. Yet, they act as a good deterrant just to have in your base. Early people who probe/scv/drone scout will just turn ass and run when they see the lings if they're smart.
Anyways, these are just my observations, I'm not a Korean ultra star or anything, just your regular player type lol.
Eh... less of a 101 then this is how you learn starcraft 2 from someone that doesn't know how to play starcraft or starcraft 2. Terran is probably the most defensive race due to their frail yet high damaging units. So you need to get into a good position or you will get routed. And since everyone of their units can have their health restored in one way or another (repair/heal) they can recover faster from an attack more so then any other race.
The biggest thing you missed when talking about terrans is walling off. Since marines are the weakest starting unit (for equal minerals spent, they will lose to both zerglings and zealots). A wall is necessary to keep out the first few pressuring units (since both other races starting units are melee, they can't attack the marines blocked off). And since supply depots can lower them selves, they make the perfect wall and door to your base entrance. Unless you like the idea of zerglings or zealots raping your scvs in the first 2 mins of the game.
The biggest thing you missed when talking about terrans is walling off. Since marines are the weakest starting unit (for equal minerals spent, they will lose to both zerglings and zealots). A wall is necessary to keep out the first few pressuring units (since both other races starting units are melee, they can't attack the marines blocked off). And since supply depots can lower them selves, they make the perfect wall and door to your base entrance. Unless you like the idea of zerglings or zealots raping your scvs in the first 2 mins of the game.
Yes. Yes you can. Cheese is not only exclusive to the zerg btw. Bunker rushing is now easier to do due to auto repair, scvs attack moving correctly, and bunker salvage makes it a much deadlier strat. And chrono boost makes pumping out zealots from proxy gates much much faster.MurderousToaster said:
Ya, but if you have a brain in your head you should have one of your first fighting units or one of your workers following that probe to either kill it or chase it out of your base. Do this for two reasons. Reason one: Deny your opponent info on your build (rush, fast expand, tech, etc). Reason two: so shit like that wont start without you taking notice. Scouting is the anti-cheese.Agayek said:
Also Proxy gate is much more stable then cannon rush. Less minerals, easier to start harassing the economy (which is your priority in a rush build anyway), and easier to recover from if you fail. Also, if your terran, all you have to due is move your base to your natural, and then fast expand to your third or take a high yeild base, and you win the game for free. Since all his minerals are spent in static defenses, he can't stop you from expanding. And his base will be wide open for a counter since he can only attack a base which you have nothing in. Ya, it looks silly but it wins games.
Hey Kurt,Kurt Horsting said:
I picked out things about the Terrans in StarCraft II that I found interesting, and while walling off your base with supply depots is effective, it's not particularly fun to watch. Thanks for the feedback, though!
~Jordan
You still need to micro your lings to do as much damage as possible (when one is taking too much damage have him run out so the unit being attacking it goes a different one), and don't forget to rally reinforcements to your opponents base.AC10 said:
And the weakness of 6-pool isn't loosing the lings. Its because your not making any drones which makes your economy really shitty. You need to at bring your opponent to less then 6 workers in order to break even. You MUST win in your first attack or you will lose the game.
