The Felicia Day/Destructoid situation

[Zeldias]

Guy was a shithead and got canned. Whether or not the guy is sexist, I don't care about, but his "questions" were sexist as fuck. When you reduce a woman to the male gaze like calling her a glorified booth babe, then you're saying sexist shit. The whole booth babe thing is a sickeningly creepy and sexist thing too, but that's a digression.

I'm saying this as a person who thinks that Day is mediocre at best. Not the worst, not the best. I don't really feel anything about her talent or the things she does. So far, just haven't come across something that I give a fuck about.

Also, as someone else has said, when's the last time a man has received this same kind of attack because of his looks in the industry? There's a history of this shit already with Jade Raymond, probably others but she's the first person that comes to mind. The industry is sexist, both in terms of business and in product; is it really a surprise that the journalist will pop off with sexist shit?

If he wanted to ask the questions, he should've acted like a journalist and phrased his question better, instead of acting like a dickhead.

Also, to the person above me, it's my understanding that the Escapist is meant to be treated kind of like the Daily Show of video games. Unless you're saying we should treat comedians as seriously as supposed journalists, which would be a very un-funny world.

 

[secretsantaone]

Also, to the person above me, it's my understanding that the Escapist is meant to be treated kind of like the Daily Show of video games. Unless you're saying we should treat comedians as seriously as supposed journalists, which would be a very un-funny world.

Jim Sterling is an ex-contributer to Destructoid and spouted the exact same shit there as here.

 

[zombiesinc]

I can see how some would argue that because he used his personal account Destructoid shouldn't be holding him accountable for his words but in my opinion, when you are known for representing a company you should be more conscious of your actions, especially when those actions are related to the company. Considering he works within the video game industry and (more importantly) that his comment was about Day's contribution to said industry, I feel that in this case it was fair that he was held accountable by Destructoid for his actions, which took place in a public setting (obviously it's very likely this wouldn't have been an issue at all if it wasn't in a public setting, but when it comes to the Internet, something like Twitter is one of the most public e-settings out there). However, I'm not convinced he should have lost his job over it.

I will admit I don't know absolutely everything about her, her career (at least what's been related to the video game industry) or whatever this guy's reason was for tweeting that in the first place, but from what I've read in the OP, I'm not sure there was any need for him to tweet that at all. Granted, people have their opinions, and yes, he was using his personal Twitter account, but if I had been him I would like to believe that at the very least I would have phrased said opinion in a much different (and hopefully better) way. If I worked for Destructoid (or any other website for that matter) I would automatically assume that all of my actions on the internet, through any social website, etc. would be directly or indirectly linked to that place of work, and therefore make a very conscious effort to keep that in the front of my mind. But on the other hand, I feel that this whole debacle isn't as big a deal as many are making it out to be, particularly Destructoid.

All in all, I certainly do not think he should have lost his job over it, but then again, I don't think it was wise to say such a thing in a public setting, even if it was on a personal account, especially when you're a seemingly well known person. The entire situation is kinda... dumb.

Edit: After reading a few of the comments I see a lot of focus on sexism and booth babes. I can't say that I even want to touch on that, especially the sexism bit, 'cause then I'll feel I'm making this situation bigger than it is.

 

[Vault101]

Beside that though, what does it matter if he is being snarky? It's still a legit question.

no it wasn't, he wasn't asking anything, he was being a jerk

[quote/] What you're missing is that, despite him tweeting it to her, he wasn't actually asking her. The only thing missing in his tweet is "am I right or am I right?". He was looking for attention, but not really that of Felicia Day.[/quote]
sooo...being a jerk...as I said

if you mean its a legitimate question "in general" mabye, but thats now what I'm arguing, I'm arguing that this guy was a dick regardless of who he was tweeting

[quote/]I'd say he got me then he bargained for. But now you are actively helping him become infamous, which could actually jump-start his career. Think long and hard if you discussing this is smart.[/quote]
0_0....are the thourght police after me?...or do I have legions of fans "in the biz" out there reading everything I say?...hey Gabe! whens half life 3 coming out?

this is a shitstorm on a form...the same as a shitstorm in a teacup..its nothing

[quote/]So?[/quote]

sooooooo....my motivation here is not purly "OMG HE IS A SEXIST PIG!!"

[quote/]You probably shouldn't. You know, the whole "Play with fire, you might get burned"-thing. So, for your own sake, just stop.[/quote]

whoa....we got a badass over here....

[quote/]
Not really, but I forgive you. You see, what I was saying was that he isn't automatically wrong. And he isn't. So, I wasn't so much arguing for or against him, I was simply arguing against outright dismissing it as being a possibility. Which is what you are doing.[/quote]
weather or not shes "a glorified booth babe" is beside the point, the guy was an ass, if that question is a "possability" then thats for another argument, and TBH I think its stupid....


[quote/]Nobody (as far as I can see) here is accusing you of being that way,[/quote]
I, did no say (or indicate as far as I know) that anyone was

[quote/] you are actually getting defensive for no reason, you are sticking to the woman for the sake of sticking to the woman, [/quote]
I am kind of doubtful that she is a glorified booth babe, and regardless if somone came up to you out of knowhere and demanded you justify your existance to them..you;d tell them to fuck off...

[quote/]Manipulation exists. Stereotypes also exist. The thing is, stereotypes tend to have a true core, they don't just come into existance for no reason.[/quote] <- which makes me feel that the veiw on women in gaming is somwhat skewed, gives me the sneaking suspicion that his outburst OR alot of things people say are related to the fact the person in question is a somwhat attractive female, as you said...thease things exist for a reason

[quote/]which is stupid. Now, as I stated in a later post, I don't agree with the guy, a quick glance over her Wiki page suggests that he is mistaken. That however doesn't mean that he would be equally mistaken had he brought up any other random "Gamer Girl".[/quote]

what are you trying to say? that we should question the "reals" and the "fakes"...its that kind of spanish inquisition type bullshit thats really off putting

 

[lacktheknack]

Hmm... I wonder what Ryan Perez has "provided to gaming." Oh, wait, nobody asks that question because he has a Y chromosome and it's not a good question.

Boom - right there.

Anyways, any word on what Felicia Day had to say about it? Due to recent events, the next visit I take to Twitter will be too soon, plus I'm too lazy to look right now.

 

[tyriless]

So

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"Felicia doesn't whore herself out to that extent"

You imply she whores herself out but all I see is a pretty girl with a whole lot of quirky charm who likes to star in a web series and occasionally plays video games. I never thought that was offensive. I think you got her confused with Jessica Chobot or Olivia Munn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urNyg1ftMIU

So where's that argument round about now?

Your claim is rejected as you obviously have not a clue to what parody is. If you got issues with this video you need to stop taking morality lessons from the old church ladies. I am surprised you didn't toss the word floozy around to match your archaic sensibilities.

 

[mindlesspuppet]

SUPERMASSIVE TEXT WALL INBOUND! TAKE COOOVVEEERR!!

*Also, as a sidenote, you quoted Vault a whole buncha times instead of me. So, whenever you see "Vault101"'s name pop up, it's really me, the great ONE. Just a heads up. And yes, I'm too lazy to fix it.*

Yeah, sorry about the quote thing, I fixed it as soon as Vault pointed it out.

Does it prove that's what Felicia Day is doing? No, of course not. Does it happen and is it possible that it's the case? Absolutely. I, and plenty others, are simply of the opinion that in this instance it is the case.

Making absolute statements based on opinion and completely lacking in evidence is something I consider endemic to the religiously inclined when dealing with that hoodoo they call science, but if you reeaaally believe that then fine.

Internet discussion forum on an unscientific topic, everything is opinion. I make statement I believe to be true, as anyone else does in these sort of topics. In that sense my statements are "absolute".

You're really comparing what is a conversation based entirely around celebrity speculations and gossip with religious discussion? I'm somewhat offended you're giving religion that much credit.

There's really no evidence one way or the other, it's all going to be conjecture. As neither you, nor I, can read her mind.

No but seriously, what you're saying is silly in ways that I'm having a hard time conveying.

So... let's work with this quote here:

Ever think she's acting like a gamer because she's not attractive enough to be a leading lady and not talented enough to be a dramatic actress?

You're absolutely correct here. I had actually intended that statement to be at least partially in jest, but internet and all, doesn't always translate well.

wat

I'm getting the feeling you're cutting up my post and answering each portion without considering its context in entirety of my writing...

I was using that quote to illustrate my next point.

Fully realized it segued into your next point. Felt I had to address specifically that quote because numerous people had quoted it.

If I was a complete fucking assclown (in addition to having a healthy disdain for you personally), using your logic I could say something along these lines:

Honestly, I'm kind of flattered. I usually don't even realize who I'm replying to (tend to just reply to the statement, not the person), and you've got a health disdain for me, so that's kind of cool.

The point there is that I DON'T have the type of disdain for YOU that YOU have for Felicia. That's why the sentence starts with an "If I was...". I tend not to rage at people I've never met personally. That "if" statement carries over into the next part...

Ah, see the problem with being so snarky is it's not always easy to pick up what to take at face value.

"Hey! Hey Escapist! Hey everybody here! You see this mindlesspuppet guy? You see how he wrote some reviews for anime? Well, I think the only reason he did that was because he's too much of a talentless hack to write about news or games. So, in order to get some reviews in, he just acted like he enjoys anime because everyone knows people who like anime are shallow tools who have no taste in writing."

xD , I'm pretty sure a number people said this when I didn't give a series they liked a good review. Whenever you put yourself or your opinion out there it's pretty much expected. Which is, in large, a part of the reason that this whole ordeal over Perez/Day seems a bit out of hand to me.

And you're doing the same to Felicia because she doesn't fit within your own pre-defined construct of "gamer".

I absolutely am. I fully expected such responses, moreover they didn't bother me in the slightest, furthermore! I addressed such comments as best I could.

Jessica Nigri has celebrity in gaming culture. When she faces the same acquisitions as Felicia Day, she not only plays it up in her favor but then makes everyone seem like an idiot for even considering it.

But I would never say something like that, because it would be both rude and incorrect to you and anime fans alike; you know a great deal about anime, and it shows in your writing. In my experience, such a knowledge comes from genuine enjoyment of something.

And that "enjoyment" is what a lot of people feel they share with Felicia; a love of games.

Well thanks, I appreciate that you see that in my writing.

I do understand the point you're making here. I'm not trying to dismiss it. What I am questioning is does she legitimately have a love for gaming or is she just playing to the crowd. I feel like I've seen one too many interviews or appearances by her where she just kind of seemed lost in the gaming world. I don't expect her to be an almanac of gaming knowledge, but I do expect her to be able to hold her own in an interview.

That's your reasoning? That's your evidence behind why you think she's a complete fraud? I've seen some people who are absolutely brilliant in their respective fields look like idiots in interviews, and it didn't make me question their conviction/qualification. Don't understand where you're coming from, but I'll just let it be.

I'd be inclined to agree with you if her field was medical research, engineering, etc. However, her respected field is in its very nature a social one, one where she's asked to perform, one where she's asked to promote, one that puts her in front of audiences at Expos: at no point should she be helpless in an interview.

So tell us great one, what information do you have that proves she's just playing up the gaming crowd? Because right now, your argument seems to be "C'mon, she's totally a fraud. Trust me."

I could easily do the same here; what information do you have that proves she's not playing up the crowd?

Pretty sure that's not how it works. She says she's a "gamer", she does game-related things, and is regarded as a key figure by many in the gaming community. Those are facts. If you insist otherwise, burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.

So we're expected to take everyone at what they claim to be? The fact she's regarded as a key figure in the gaming industry is the entire issue. To be overly dramatic, once upon a time Adolph Hilter was regarded by most of the world as a great guy.

Of course being the internet, you and I could both demand evidence. We could scour Youtube for videos that support our claims. Write pages about the reasoning and logic that formed our opinion. In the end, it's really up to our own interpretation. Unfortunately, I can't open her Wiki page and see "She's a great big phony!" (actually I may be able to, but I doubt it'd be cited).

I feel she panders herself to the gaming crowd, that's fine if you don't.

There'd be no point, as you mentioned. You and I are obviously looking at the same thing and perceiving different things.

I don't feel Ryan Perez should have had to leave Destructiod over this, when such behavior wasn't really anything out of the ordinary for them. Moreover, what he said is nothing that hadn't been said many times over about her already.

It's business. He was an intern for Destructoid. He said stupid shit where/when he shouldn't have. He attracted negative publicity towards his employer, wasn't important enough to keep around, and was let go. This shit happens every day.

I'd agree with you, if it were IGN or Gamespot or one of the more professional gaming sites. If Jim Sterling had said the same, not only would people likely praise him for it, but he certainly wouldn't lose his job.

In all fairness, we all know who Ryan Perez is now, so this still might work out for him.

No offense taken, and I hope I caused no offense despite my level 99 snarkiness. No, not everything involving games and women is sexist. Unfortunately a lot of it is, and in this specific case I'm of the opinion that Perez demonstrated sufficient fuckheadedness to warrant having his internship terminated.

I do agree that a lot of it is sexist, but I feel like people make too much of these issues with the mentality that it will add some "legitimacy to gaming" (whatever the hell that is supposed to mean). Remember when Valve was racist for having black zombies? ... In New Orleans... gah...

 

[ecoho]

Recently Destructoid writer Ryan Perez made a couple comments about Felicia Day on his Twitter account

''Ryan?s questions to Felicia were as follows: ?I keep seeing [you] everywhere. Question: Do you matter at all? Do you even provide anything useful to gaming, besides ?personality?? could you be considered nothing more than a glorified booth babe? You don?t seem to add anything creative to the medium.?''

Following total uproar Ryan was pressured into resigning from his position with Destructoid as D-toid issued apologies to Miss Day. Other figures such as Adam Baldwin and Wil Wheaton have come out in support of Felicia. But quite frankly...isn't he right? What of substance has she contributed to the gaming medium?

While some of his comments could be interpreted as insulting he made a valid point that much of the gaming community has echoed previously. And besides that,it was his private Twitter which was in no way associated with D-toid and he never claimed he spoke for D-toid. People now flock to his Twitter, calling him ''sick'' and a ''misogynist'' (the latter is quite confusing as he never made any comment that was anti-woman,simply anti-Day). Does a man deserve to lose his job for some opinions he holds privately?

yes he was being an ass and while he was on his own private twitter there are morality clauses in every work place now so you post it on face book or say it on twitter they can fire your ass real fast.

as for Day she makes all gamers look good, and thats enough for me.

 

[ecoho]

WTF how did i double post?!

 

[T0BB0]

If he had asked whether Kim Kardashian contributed anything to anything, instead of Felicia Day contributing to the gaming community, he wouldn't have got fired. He probably would've got a round of applause.

People who visit and own Destructiod like The Guild, they don't like Keeping up with the Kardashians. This isn't a huge moral issue surrounding sexism or women in the game community. This is "Don't say bad things about people we like". It's why Jim Sterling is allowed to say everything he does against EA. The readers don't like EA, so he's fine. If he made a rant video about Valve, my odds are he'd get pressured to issue an apology or get fired.

 

[secretsantaone]

So

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"Felicia doesn't whore herself out to that extent"

You imply she whores herself out but all I see is a pretty girl with a whole lot of quirky charm who likes to star in a web series and occasionally plays video games. I never thought that was offensive. I think you got her confused with Jessica Chobot or Olivia Munn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urNyg1ftMIU

So where's that argument round about now?

Your claim is rejected as you obviously have not a clue to what parody is. If you got issues with this video you need to stop taking morality lessons from the old church ladies. I am surprised you didn't toss the word floozy around to match your archaic sensibilities.

You wanted an example of her using her sex appeal to market herself, I gave you an example. Suddenly I'm some sort of religious fanatic. White knight logic, man.

 

[J. Mazarin]

My favorite English teacher once told me that if in casual conversation you can't condense your opinion in a succinct, digestible manner, it's probably not worth sharing in the first place.

Look, I pretty much get what you're saying, but you wrote a nearly ONE THOUSAND WORD response to my 137 word post. If you want to have any kind of debate, I'm going to have to ask that you not resort to the "wall of text" tactic.

Let's try it again:

He was an intern at Destructoid. He posted stupid, arrogant, conceited shit in public that he shouldn't have. Said shit attracted a heavy amount of negative attention towards him and by extension, his employer Destructoid. His employer rightfully fired him as a result. Hopefully, he's learned his lesson.

Thoughts?

I'm having a conversation with you, not a debate. Second, your teacher is most certainly a fool because context and the ability to elaborate on one's thoughts, opinions and feelings do matter especially when we lack the ability to convey our voice and tone since they are absent in the written word. In essence what I type and the tone I wish to convey in a neutral setting is more often than not open to interpretation which is why you see many forum topics descend into flame wars due to the inability of both parties incapable or laziness to actually explain themselves in full.

So... something about tone. Tooone. Ok. Sure.

"Do you matter at all? Do you even provide anything useful to gaming, besides "personality?" could you be considered nothing more than a glorified booth babe? You don't seem to add anything creative to the medium."

Now, if you're like me and have spent a decent amount of time on the internet, the "tone" of those questions are roughly equivalent to the question "are you fucking retarded?". I.e. the person asking the question doesn't really want to know if you're mentally handicapped, they're just using a rhetorical question as an insult. I don't know what tone you expect "nothing more than a glorified booth babe" to carry other than a malicious one.

Cause I'm not interested in having a discussion on your new question because that is radically different from the more important subject at hand when it comes to twitter's influence that encourages people to become involved in situations where they have no right butting their heads into and causing harm onto another person's career in the long run, Wil Wheaton's possible hypocrisy on "don't be a dick" by getting another person fired, the lack of tone in twitter and the failure to communicate by both parties that result in the assumption that posts are instantly negative and sexist in nature, and finally the actions of part of the video game industry when you have a person who gets fired over something that is actually and honestly quite trivial over an intern that doesn't know how to use twitter in a "professional" sense(see earlier post how radical twitter is) and an actor that is honestly not as big as her followers think she is(hell I play a lot of video games and the only work I was familiar with was Sing a long Blog).

Lol. Doesn't know how to use twitter in a "professional" sense. He's a fucking adult.

Let me re-use my engineering example from earlier:

"Do you matter at all? Do you even provide anything useful to engineering, besides "personality?" could you be considered nothing more than a glorified boss's pet? You don't seem to add anything creative to this company."

That's pretty much word-for-word what he said. If I said that I would be fired instantaneously. I know that, so I wouldn't say it because 1) it's stupid and 2) it would fuck up my career.

If he doesn't have the common sense to comprehend that simple concept, then maybe he should work on that before trying to get a job in a media-oriented industry.

I like discussing the bigger picture. If you wanna discuss the smaller stuff and go with the whole "I'm right, you are wrong" bullshit that most of these topics when words like sexism get thrown around like pennies in a fountain then I'm afraid I'm not interested in having that discussion and would say good day to you. It really doesn't promote anything interesting to discuss.

The fuck? You make a habit of getting mad for no reason? At what point did I ever say "I'm right you're wrong!"? I told you if you wanted to debate the topic at hand you should condense your points. And, miraculously, it looks like you did (to an extent).

EDIT: Your teacher is talking about writing essays and papers when he taught you that.

No, he most certainly fucking wasn't. Let me repeat it: "if in CASUAL CONVERSATION you can't condense your opinion." I'm not sure what part of the CASUAL CONVERSATION bit you didn't get. Oooh, oooh! I know! It was the "casual", wasn't it? Yeah, that's what I thought.

Not having a discussion with your fellow man. The thing about forums is that you are not writing a paper, but having a written conversation with your fellow man which involves explaining your ideas, statements and thoughts in full to ensure clarity.

It takes you a THOUSAND WORDS to properly convey your opinion? A thousand? As in 1,000?

Hahaha, sure. Sure it does. Because absolutely no one on this website gets by without writing a dissertation in response to every single subject.

I really shouldn't be calling your teacher a fool when it was you that misunderstood what he was teaching you with such a quote to which I am sorry to your teacher.

I wish he'd have taught you. Looks like you could've used it.

 

[Sexy Devil]

"Why is this woman visible in this industry? Is it just because people find her attractive?" is pretty textbook, and not just for video games.

How about Nolan North? He's pretty visible as a voice actor & is involved in the promotion of games he's in. People apparently find him attractive. Does he ever get shit being an attractive person of his sex participating in the industry?

Or, more specifically, for making a specific kind of gendered attack that is pretty much only ever used against women. If he wanted to critique marketing strategies that hinge on participation of celebs people find attractive, that's a critique he could have made in a much better way than going after a specific actress as a "glorified booth babe."

I'm incredibly late to this party again and I'm not bothering to read the whole thread but whatever.

The difference is that Nolan North does a crap tonne (understatement) of voice work and has become visible in the industry through that hard work. Besides a few crappy shorts for Bioware, and doing some voice acting for DLC in Dragon Age 2 I genuinely have no idea what Felicia Day has done in the industry. "Glorified booth babe" might've been a bit sexist but... what does she do?

 

[Scars Unseen]

Hmm... I wonder what Ryan Perez has "provided to gaming." Oh, wait, nobody asks that question because he has a Y chromosome and it's not a good question.

Yeah, far be it to see anybody EVER being cruel to a man. Not like losing his job for a few dumbass comments, that'd never happen.

Yeah, because getting in hot water over sexist remarks is totally the same as being the target of sexist remarks, guise. (Like, seriously, did anyone call, for instance, Nathan Fillion a "glorified booth babe" for being in and helping to promote a Halo game?)

Nope. They were too busy trying to reconcile their heterosexuality with their desire to have Nathon Fillion's baby.

 

[Denamic]

If he had asked whether Kim Kardashian contributed anything to anything, instead of Felicia Day contributing to the gaming community, he wouldn't have got fired. He probably would've got a round of applause.

People who visit and own Destructiod like The Guild, they don't like Keeping up with the Kardashians. This isn't a huge moral issue surrounding sexism or women in the game community. This is "Don't say bad things about people we like". It's why Jim Sterling is allowed to say everything he does against EA. The readers don't like EA, so he's fine. If he made a rant video about Valve, my odds are he'd get pressured to issue an apology or get fired.

When your site is dependent on the community, pissing off said community is bad for business.
Were I in charge of personnel in a company, I'd definitely fire people who hurt business.

 

[mindlesspuppet]

So

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Think of Danica Patrick, she rages about not being taken seriously as a driver because she's female... and then she does another Godaddy commercial naked or another FHM spread. Felicia doesn't whore herself out to that extent, but she does absolutely nothing to dispel many of the beliefs of females in gaming culture, quite the opposite.

I don't see anything she has done has problematic for females in gaming culture. She has certainly not licked any controllers or acted in a provocative manner.

"Felicia doesn't whore herself out to that extent"

You imply she whores herself out but all I see is a pretty girl with a whole lot of quirky charm who likes to star in a web series and occasionally plays video games. I never thought that was offensive. I think you got her confused with Jessica Chobot or Olivia Munn.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/9.380550.14960195

Read that post, it's well written and summed up perfectly.

 

[him over there]

Hmm... I wonder what Ryan Perez has "provided to gaming." Oh, wait, nobody asks that question because he has a Y chromosome and it's not a good question.

Yeah, far be it to see anybody EVER being cruel to a man. Not like losing his job for a few dumbass comments, that'd never happen.

Yeah, because getting in hot water over sexist remarks is totally the same as being the target of sexist remarks, guise. (Like, seriously, did anyone call, for instance, Nathan Fillion a "glorified booth babe" for being in and helping to promote a Halo game?)

Prove it was sexist.

"Why is this woman visible in this industry? Is it just because people find her attractive?" is pretty textbook, and not just for video games.

How about Nolan North? He's pretty visible as a voice actor & is involved in the promotion of games he's in. People apparently find him attractive. Does he ever get shit being an attractive person of his sex participating in the industry?

He's not in hot water because of his gender, it's because of the gender of the person he's speaking to.

Or, more specifically, for making a specific kind of gendered attack that is pretty much only ever used against women. If he wanted to critique marketing strategies that hinge on participation of celebs people find attractive, that's a critique he could have made in a much better way than going after a specific actress as a "glorified booth babe."

The gender attack is used because of the gender inequality that allows it to be prevalent. The fact that we even have "booth babes" says a lot about our industry. No Nolan North doesn't get shit even though he's attractive, but he isn't part of the gender that is constantly exploited for titillation within the industry. The fact is that the unfair way we treat women in the industry opens up an opportunity for them to counter exploit it for publicity.

 

[tyriless]

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"Felicia doesn't whore herself out to that extent"

You imply she whores herself out but all I see is a pretty girl with a whole lot of quirky charm who likes to star in a web series and occasionally plays video games. I never thought that was offensive. I think you got her confused with Jessica Chobot or Olivia Munn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urNyg1ftMIU

So where's that argument round about now?

You wanted an example of her using her sex appeal to market herself, I gave you an example. Suddenly I'm some sort of religious fanatic. White knight logic, man.

I was teasing your complete and utter lack of a sense of humor and your ability to completely miss the point of the video. No, I don't think you're some religious nut-job but it was still fun to compare you to one.

However, you take a video that makes fun of cybersex (that has been parodied on "The Guild" numerous time) and claim it as proof-positive of that Felecia Day is whoring herself out. Did you find the video funny at all? If you did, then congratulations, that was the entire point.

 

[J. Mazarin]

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My favorite English teacher once told me that if in casual conversation you can't condense your opinion in a succinct, digestible manner, it's probably not worth sharing in the first place.

Look, I pretty much get what you're saying, but you wrote a nearly ONE THOUSAND WORD response to my 137 word post. If you want to have any kind of debate, I'm going to have to ask that you not resort to the "wall of text" tactic.

Let's try it again:

He was an intern at Destructoid. He posted stupid, arrogant, conceited shit in public that he shouldn't have. Said shit attracted a heavy amount of negative attention towards him and by extension, his employer Destructoid. His employer rightfully fired him as a result. Hopefully, he's learned his lesson.

Thoughts?

That he got fired because he hurt someones feelings?

lol

+50 points for missing my point. Also, I believe Felicia herself said it didn't bother her, so there's that

Boo fucking hoo, it's no secret that many people think Felicia Day is only so famous because OMG IT'S AN ATTRACTIVE GIRL THAT PLAYS GAMES, THIS VALIDATES MY HOBBY. Asking her about this (seriously, read how he phrased it) should not have got him fired.

He wasn't fired for asking her about this. He was fired for being a dick about it.

Example:

@FeliciaDay "Hey, Felicia. There's a lot of people in the gaming community who think you're only where you are today because of your looks, and that you haven't contributed anything to the gaming community. What would you have to say to these people?"

That would have been a perfectly valid way of asking her the question at hand, and likely wouldn't have generated any form of measurable controversy. Instead, the "could you be considered nothing more than a glorified booth babe? You don't seem to add anything creative to the medium." is what got him in trouble.

Why is Jim Sterling allowed to get away with the shit he says about people on this very website, yet as soon as someone criticises a woman everyone goes full white knight?

wat

Were you not here for the massive amounts of Hepler criticism last year after DA2 came out?

 

[Lyri]

Recently Destructoid writer Ryan Perez made a couple comments about Felicia Day on his Twitter account

''Ryan?s questions to Felicia were as follows: ?I keep seeing [you] everywhere. Question: Do you matter at all? Do you even provide anything useful to gaming, besides ?personality?? could you be considered nothing more than a glorified booth babe? You don?t seem to add anything creative to the medium.?''

Following total uproar Ryan was pressured into resigning from his position with Destructoid as D-toid issued apologies to Miss Day. Other figures such as Adam Baldwin and Wil Wheaton have come out in support of Felicia. But quite frankly...isn't he right? What of substance has she contributed to the gaming medium?

While some of his comments could be interpreted as insulting he made a valid point that much of the gaming community has echoed previously. And besides that,it was his private Twitter which was in no way associated with D-toid and he never claimed he spoke for D-toid. People now flock to his Twitter, calling him ''sick'' and a ''misogynist'' (the latter is quite confusing as he never made any comment that was anti-woman,simply anti-Day). Does a man deserve to lose his job for some opinions he holds privately?

He represents D-toid so his opinion will be scrutinized, you don't get to keep your job anywhere if you go out and act like a total douchebag in public.
So he probably will get fired for it, especially when attacks one of the more well loved celebrities of our culture.

However I do agree with him, I have never really liked Felicia Day and the fandom she's gained. Personally I think people just latch onto her pretty face and the fact she's a girl, she kind of gets both votes of the male demographic and female gamers.

She hasn't actually done anything for gaming but her projects have a gaming attachment to them and so gets pulled into the industry from fandom.
I kind of wish she would go away to be honest,I do not find her particularly good at her craft.