I'm just suprised by the amount of Atheists on these forums. It's crazy! I have nothing against Atheists, I just have never seen so many on the interwebs on one location all at once.
The Flying Spaghetti monster.
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Yeah, i know it's scary to think that if we are just accidents then there is no meaning. But meaning is subjective just as our understanding of god is.conquerworm said:Just mocking the stupidity of a random generation universe. If you bring in science and probabilities, you break all logical barriers trying to justify are randomly generating universe that is decaying and collapsing. It makes more sense to say it was designed and yet that scares people cause they think that means that they have to believe in a god. And thats scary cause 99% of the gods in this world are slavers. So where does that leave us?Ionami said:What are you talking about?conquerworm said:So I am not some kinda joke? Thats just scary, I am going to my corner and hold myself until the scary goes away...Ionami said:
I can't accept that we are all accidents because if thats true then it really doesn't matter how you live so why the hell do we entrap ourselves to laws and rules? Why not just live and die, screw the consequences, which only matter while your alive and that really doesn't mater cause everything you work for and acquire or live for is just temp. dust in the wind. Thats the way I see the idea of a self randomly generating universe, and the fact there is nothing to back it as fact. Prove me wrong, I am willing to admit I am wrong if it can be proven.
Now here's a simple question:
If god exists, plural or otherwise, what created god?
If god created itself( which makes no fucking sense no matter how omni potent you are) then does god have a meaning?
If yes, then what gave god meaning? Since apparently giving oneself meaning isn't possible according to dickhead up here.
Now say we are an accident. We honestly have no fucking idea how long the universe existed, or our dimension. We don't know whats out there. besides more rocks. Is ther more than 1 dimension( i dont me a line, a square a box type thing....actually i do.square a box.)
I think aliens exist cuse if we can why can't they? Because for the believers out ther that would mean that we arn't as important as we think.
I hate that way of thinking.
I wish religion would just disappear. We don't need it. If we live happy lives then I think the possible gods will forgive us. I want to learn all I can about this universe
before I die. Actually learn, not just speculate when I should be working on my science assignments in my grade 11 catholic school class. ARGGGH!!!* tears out hair*
ohh right, The flying spaghetti monster would be the greatest god ever to exist in humanity
. Its freakn omnipotent pasta!
How does it make more sense to say it was designed? You offer nothing to back this up, just state opinion as fact. I mentioned probability before; it would be more surprising if life hadnt happened, though no one would be around to be surprised.conquerworm said:
As far as living together with laws, man is a pack animal and it comes easily to live together, or at least easier than isolation. Laws allow people to live together understanding tthev rules to minimise conflict. If the law says you cant kill me, I cant kill you either and we all get along.
You might see no reason to live without somesupernatural parenting but I only have one shot at life, no hevidence of heaven or reincarnation, so I plan to enjoy it and make the most of it. Im not a douche to others, hoping they wont be a douche to me. If the only reason you behave yourself is to prevent some sort of supernatural ass whooping in the after life Im conserneed for the welfare of those around you...
You cant prove me wrong either. The diference is im looking at available evidence and not reading into things that arent there for some sort of spiritual comfort blanket.
Finally I said guessed the odds were 1 IN 1 BILLION! At what point are they good odds? Would you bet your car on those odds for any amount in return? I wouldnt.
I might have referred to myself as an atheist before, and it's a habit I have to knock off. I'm actually an agnostic, it just seems like so many people have no idea what I'm talking about (and a lot of people assume they're essentially the same thing). Ultimately I go with the more commonly known (but ultimately incorrect) term.Acid Armageddon said:
Because as much as I believe chances are we're living in an absurd, godless world, I still hold to the fact that I (nor anyone else) could never really actually know how the world works. We've got lots of clues pointing us in particular directions, and maybe certain directions have a HELL of a lot more clues pointing towards them, but it's still ultimately unknowable.
Yarr, life be a mystery, me hearties. As be Davy Jones' locker or Halo fanboys.
(BTW, are we seriously having a flamewar over the FSM? Gimme a break!)
(BTW, are we seriously having a flamewar over the FSM? Gimme a break!)
Well weigh up how you want to live your life logically, I personally don't do what I do to impress the guy upstairs, I do it to (hopefully) make myself a better person, and live a meaningful existence until I finally croak and become forgotten (I'm also a pessimist if you hadn't guessed
).If you want to believe in a higher being, I'm not going to hold it against you.
Humanism doesn't do nothing... It just says be happy... Then what... We are still nothing but a blink in the eye. A moment in time. Nothing we do has any meaning, Why work or do anything? Just to be happy for 100 years, then to not exist. From nothing to nothing with a point of meaningless labor.Overlord_Dave said:
Please tell me I am wrong...
And Wooo FSM is my main monster... Boo Yeah
Here's why us being an accident makes perfect sense.
The universe and all dimensions are infinite. They will be forever. Even if they are all destroyed the nothingness the will take it's place is still the universe (im using universe to incorporate all existence and possible universes.)
Here's he kicker, and I dare you to prove me wrong:
If existence and nothingness are infinete then the chances of all possible things happening have a an infinite chance of happening. All that has happened whether we know about it or not, had a 100% chance of happening because time for existence at least is linear. It also exists and can there for unexist.
Meaning that, no wait I'm confused now too......~oh there we go, my sense came back.
Now if all that has happened, existed and unexisted was 100%, what is the probbability of things yet to come?
Answer: It's irrelevent since it has and infinite chance to happen. So essentially, 100%.
The point? God can exist, i see no reason why it can't. Aliens can exist, I see no reason why they can't. Everything we imagine can exist, I see no reason why it can't. Just because we have certain laws in our univers doesn't mean they have them in others. Or even in time, the our universe could change it's own laws. I see no reason why it can't. The only argument you can give is based on our logic. Which is beyond hoplessley insufficient.
I say we live and learn and love and fuck posibilites we know nothing of except our own speculative theories!
Im going to get a cheeseburger.
The universe and all dimensions are infinite. They will be forever. Even if they are all destroyed the nothingness the will take it's place is still the universe (im using universe to incorporate all existence and possible universes.)
Here's he kicker, and I dare you to prove me wrong:
If existence and nothingness are infinete then the chances of all possible things happening have a an infinite chance of happening. All that has happened whether we know about it or not, had a 100% chance of happening because time for existence at least is linear. It also exists and can there for unexist.
Meaning that, no wait I'm confused now too......~oh there we go, my sense came back.
Now if all that has happened, existed and unexisted was 100%, what is the probbability of things yet to come?
Answer: It's irrelevent since it has and infinite chance to happen. So essentially, 100%.
The point? God can exist, i see no reason why it can't. Aliens can exist, I see no reason why they can't. Everything we imagine can exist, I see no reason why it can't. Just because we have certain laws in our univers doesn't mean they have them in others. Or even in time, the our universe could change it's own laws. I see no reason why it can't. The only argument you can give is based on our logic. Which is beyond hoplessley insufficient.
I say we live and learn and love and fuck posibilites we know nothing of except our own speculative theories!
Im going to get a cheeseburger.
Religion should not be mocked. A lot of good and intelligent people are religious, and it is not really fair to (by extention) mock them too. Intelligent design being taught in schools is not the fault of religious people, it is the fault of a few radical extremists, and any group on earth can count those among their number. Remember that most secularists are religious, that should count for something.AgentNein said:
Because being happy allows us to enjoy an absurd life moreso than being not happy?conquerworm said:
And it's not like believing in a creator will change crap if said creator doesn't actually exist. So you've got a couple of choices, you can enjoy this life or work towards the 'next' life.
If that 'next' life doesn't exist, then you just wasted your time here when you could've been finding your own fulfillment and meaning.
Of course there's the chance that I'm throwing away my quality retirement years in afterlife because of me being not religious, but I guess I'm simply willing to take that chance.
Would it make you feel better to know we were created by something that has no meaning?conquerworm said:
I like your way of thinking. From nothing to nothing, why work why live at all? The answer is a question: why not? give me a reason thats not a question. If you say "because life is hard/sucks/fails." what are you comparing it to? Non- existence? Do you remember what it was like to not exist? I don't and thats what we're all afraid of. fear of the unknown.
And like I said, the purpose of the church is not to mock religion. It's to mock the idea that a religious quasi-science was going to be taught in schools as a valid alternative to the theory of evolution (which it REALLY isn't). So a bunch of people got togehter and s aid 'well if you're going to teach that, teach our quasi-science of how things work too!' in order to showcase the absurdity of it all.cuddly_tomato said:
Believe me, I don't mock religion. I fully understand why one would wish to believe in said things, because not everyone can handle the alternative. It's a very tough concept to come to terms with (I've been working on it for years), and I'm the first to get annoyed any time you've got these people running around mocking the religious, because those same people tend to be the people who don't bother to fully grasp the implications of living in a meaningless world.
I agree. My point being that if he WISHES, he can live his life feeling that the world is meaningless, and that it's all despair and gloom...if that's what he wants. Although I don't quite understand why you would choose that. It feels like a 'waste' in that sense, where you could spend your time bringing your own meaning to life, and enjoying it and finding fulfillment.Lullabye said:
The flying spaghetti monster was created as a parody to creationism and is not considered (governmentally) to be a religion.
also, 19th of September is international talk like a pirate day for believers of FSM, and we must dress like pirates to apease the FSM as much as possible.Scary_Bob said:
The reason is the FSM has created global warning for the decline of pirates, the facts all add up, the less pirates there is, the angrier FSM becaomes and increases global warning.
here is a graph to prove the point, http://www.seanbonner.com/blog/archives/piratesarecool.jpg
it has its own graph, so it must be true.
I thought that the flying spaghetti monster was set up not as a spoof of Christianity, but as a spoof of those really stupid religions that are provably wrong. For example Scientology. Well that was my view of it.
Well I for one know that I live my life to be a good person, because I know that it makes things better for the people around me.conquerworm said:Just mocking the stupidity of a random generation universe. If you bring in science and probabilities, you break all logical barriers trying to justify are randomly generating universe that is decaying and collapsing. It makes more sense to say it was designed and yet that scares people cause they think that means that they have to believe in a god. And thats scary cause 99% of the gods in this world are slavers. So where does that leave us?Ionami said:What are you talking about?conquerworm said:So I am not some kinda joke? Thats just scary, I am going to my corner and hold myself until the scary goes away...Ionami said:
I can't accept that we are all accidents because if thats true then it really doesn't matter how you live so why the hell do we entrap ourselves to laws and rules? Why not just live and die, screw the consequences, which only matter while your alive and that really doesn't mater cause everything you work for and acquire or live for is just temp. dust in the wind. Thats the way I see the idea of a self randomly generating universe, and the fact there is nothing to back it as fact. Prove me wrong, I am willing to admit I am wrong if it can be proven.
I don't need a god to make me want to seek purpose in life, or to know what is good and what is bad, or how we came to be.
Whether someone "designed" this world, or it came into being through some random chemical reaction, is irrelevant. I live my life based on what I KNOW. Not what I THINK I know.
Believing that we where created give me reason to imprison myself to this worlds set of rules. Why am I slaving away to make a living for myself and to be a good person if it really doesn't matter how I act while I am alive?Lullabye said: