The modern day rock star

Max Goldfine

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So my friend and i were having a discussion the other day about the state of rock n roll in todays society. we had to admit that its not what it used to be.

we found it extremely hard to think of modern musicians and bands that really encompass the rock n roll feeling. that feeling of rebeliouse youth spitting in societies face, angry kids with no place to go just making loud and offensive music to show the adults that they dont want to be part of "your world".

Most of the people whom i consider rock stars have allready grown up and become legends. people like Jimmy Page, Pete Townsend, and Ozzy.

For me, rock n roll wasnt about being able to play the music well. on the contrary, it was about how anybody could play the music regardless of musical talent.

Rock and Roll was more of an attitude than anything and as long as you had the attitude you could start a band and be succesfull. not to say that the old rock legends arn't talented. but bands like the Clash and Ramones definetly werent virtuosos on there intsruments.

So tell me escapist. what do you define as Rock n Roll, and who do think nowadays embodies that definition.

The closest person i can think of that i would call a modern day rock star is Jack White from the white stripes. The second being Andre 3000 from Outkast. I know he is a hip hop artist but you cant deny that he is also a fucking rock star.
 

Max Goldfine

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tellmeimaninja said:
I consider people who make Rock n Roll for anything other than profit to be Rock Stars.

And "regardless of talent" and "lacking talent entirely" are different, so I don't see why Jack White is here.
Cmon, Jack White is has loads of talent. As a song writer and as a guitar player he embodies all those old ass blues guys from the 40's and 50's. there is a reason he and the remaining members of Led Zepplin practice together.
 

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I find any raw, rebellious music that makes me feel like I want to jump around the room and mosh my little heart out (^.^) deserving of the title rock and roll, regardless of genre. for example, Maximum the Hormone is incredibly energetic and rebellious, so it depends on tastes in music really. If a band is in it for the money then they shouldn't be defined as rock, just like tellmeimaninja says.
 

zen5887

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I think you're focusing too much on the Punk Rock side of things boss.

And who cares if rockers nowadays don't fit into this mold? Wouldn't it be better for musicians to try new things, rather than repeat a formula that's been around since the 70s?
 
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You don't need to be angry to rock, and just barely being able to play your instrument doesn't help anything. I'll take another Jimi Hendrix over some angsty fellas anyday.
 

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Sexual Harassment Panda said:
You don't need to be angry to rock, and just barely being able to play your instrument doesn't help anything. I'll take another Jimi Hendrix over some angsty fellas anyday.
Testify Panda Boy.

 

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Music is how it has always been - 95% crap 5% good stuff. The good stuff isn't often recognised for what is is until much later, when the crap has been filted out and what remains are the true masters.

You can't look at the current musical standard, at least what's made popular, and compare it to the past. Remember that the past has been filtered and refined.
 

Nimcha

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Funny, that sounds more like Punk than Rock and Roll. For me it has nothing to do with any of that you mentioned. I just like the music. I can't really explain why, though.

As for rock stars, I think these guys are pretty much the rawest you get at the moment:
 

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Max Goldfine said:
So my friend and i were having a discussion the other day about the state of rock n roll in todays society. we had to admit that its not what it used to be.

we found it extremely hard to think of modern musicians and bands that really encompass the rock n roll feeling. that feeling of rebeliouse youth spitting in societies face, angry kids with no place to go just making loud and offensive music to show the adults that they dont want to be part of "your world".
I find it amusing when people buy into the "rock n roll star" myth. Although I suppose the industry does cultivate that myth, I assure you these people you idolise are all "yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir" in the office. If they weren't, they simply wouldn't be where they are today, hell, they probably wouldn't even fucking have a record out.

But if you want to talk about which bands pretend to be rebellious, well that's potentially a very long list, emcompassing almost every rock, punk, heavy metal and rap group and even a fair slice of the pop stuff these days. But none of them truly are, and I really mean absolutely none. Even G.G. Allin was a pretty mild-mannered guy when talking business.
 

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Just going by your definition, I'd say Green Day sort of fits that bill with songs like American Idiot and Jesus of Suburbia. Also, My Chemical Romance's newest album, Danger Days: The True Lives of the Fabulous Killjoys, tells the story of a few guys against the world trying to make a difference, no matter what the price.
 

Captain Epic

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Great rock is hard to come by nowadays. I way prefer the classic bands over the modern artists but I don't agree about the aditude thing. It's always been about the music for me.
 

Alon Shechter

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Well, SOMEONE does not respect other's tastes.
Personally I listen to AC/DC, I'm tired of the "srs business" bands that sing about how everything's shit and they will go fixing everything.
I'm also tired of love songs. AC/DC has "Thanks for the buttsecks!" Songs, not love songs.
 

phoenix_tetsu

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The problem is not the lack of in-your-face attitude, is the over saturation of self-refferences, boring approaches and general blandness.