The newest Godzilla is apparently insensitive... because of the Hiroshima watch scene?

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WARNING: Obviously, some spoilers for the new Godzilla movie will follow.

I just don't know what to think anymore.

Background: a writer on Kotaku penned an article about how one of the Autobots in the latest Transformers flick wasn't racist, but in fact the best part of the film. He then went on to say this:

And then there's his [Watanabe's] role in the new Godzilla. Man, all you Transformers haters out there: if you want to see something that really is offensively bad, go see that movie. Then we can talk. In one memorably atrocious scene, he [Watanabe] hands a broken pocket-watch to an American military officer and tells him that it stopped working when the U.S. dropped a nuclear bomb on Hiroshima. Then he walks out of the room and nobody ever speaks of this again.
Thing is, I also watched the newest Godzilla movie, and what Kotaku's writer/guest writer/whatever forgot to mention is that Watanabe's character also mentions that the watch belonged to his father.

This is literally the only scene in the movie where Watanabe's character gets to be himself - but apparently, that's not cool because Hiroshima was brought up.

Seriously?

I thought it was actually a good character moment. By this point in the film, Watanabe's character has been trying to keep the military from using nukes on the kaiju, for no reason other than "smaller nukes didn't work before." One of the military dudes tells Watanabe that this bomb makes the previous nukes look like firecrackers - a good reason to be confident in the nuke plan.

Then Watanabe shows the general his dad's watch. Suddenly his desire to avoid using nukes makes a hell of a lot more sense - he lost his father to Hiroshima, and having been affected by nukes, he wants to avoid them completely. It turns his suicidal-looking, stubborn refusal to accept the nuke plan into something completely understandable. He actually looks like a human being for one solid minute of the whole movie. Perhaps more importantly, it touches on the sentiments left over from the atomic bombings of WWII. It's one of the few moments where the film really hits the mark on its whole anti-nukes heritage.

If there's anything sketchy about Watanabe in the latest Godzilla, it's that Watanabe's character is a really shitty scientist. In the early parts of the film, Watanabe actually looks at some charts and stuff - he's doing the science thing, even if it's hocus-pocus movie science. Then all of a sudden (roughly after the first Muto hatches) he turns into the wise Asian sensei - no science required, just mystical mumbo-jumbo "instinct" that proves right time and time again.

As an example, Watanabe's alternative to the nuke plan is to have the kaiju duke it out. Why would Godzilla want to fight the Mutos? Because sensei just "knows" that Godzilla's gotta be the alpha predator of the bunch (even though we're shown no reason to believe that), and the only reason he's around is to hunt kaiju. What's to keep Godzilla from wrecking everything in sight afterwards? Completely glossed over, because kaiju-sensei can't be wrong about his plans!

What is possibly racist/insensitive about Watanabe's character is that his ancestry is used to gloss over these points - his shitty science with complete lack of evidence is hand-waved by the movie because "Of course the only Japanese dude in the film for more than two minutes is gonna know what Godzilla's thinking!" Some of that is excusable by the fact that it's a fucking monster fight movie and this is a reference to the Japanese ancestry of the Godzilla franchise, but it winds up reducing Watanabe to a token "mystical foreigner." THAT could be interpreted as being a little racist - or maybe it was just shitty writing rearing its head, as lord knows that the movie had enough of it to go around.

Godzilla still managed to be a decent movie in my eyes - any misgivings I had over Watanabe's character were minor compared to how annoying the "oh man the wife nobody cares about is IN DANGER" shots were. So I guess my question is: did you find elements of the latest Godzilla to be racist, and if so, why? Did you enjoy the watch scene?

Also - mods are asleep, post Kaiju.

EDIT: Someone pointed out that the Kotaku writer wasn't directly accusing Godzilla of racism. He was correct, a better term would be cultural insensitivity - and I have updated my post to reflect that.
 

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I thought it wasnt racist but it was a bit stupid. Really wasnt a fan of the movie. Bryan Cranston's character (the only character actually had a personality) was killed off early on. I just found the whole US marine has to save the world and more importantly his middle class attractive wife and child to be well bland and unoriginal. At least Cranston's character had a decent moral decision to kill his wife to save millions

I racist against the human race. It portrays us all as fucking idiots.

Stupid scientist 1: "Heres the problem lads, we've just released this big flying monster, any ideas",

American army guy: "hoorah Murica nuke those commie monsters",

science guy 2: "no but they eat radiation you fuck tard. You should know this after the last one you covered up in the 50s",

American army guy "lets get a bigger fucking nuke",

science guy 3: "wait you know that big lizard monster you covered up from the 50s, any chance we could dig that out and make it kill the other thing"

Noone: "wait arent we then gonna have another monster running loose and causing havoc"


When you actually watch the movie godzilla and the ensuing fights cause more damage than the MUTO alone

[small] [flameshield] what happened to the good old days of godzilla with matthew broderick [/flameshield] [/small]
 

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shootthebandit said:
I thought it wasnt racist but it was a bit stupid. Really wasnt a fan of the movie. Bryan Cranston's character (the only character actually had a personality) was killed off early on.
I actually thought that was a nice touch (consequences in a movie are always nice), except then the rest of the movie happened.


American army guy: "hoorah Murica nuke those commie monsters",

science guy 2: "no but they eat radiation you fuck tard. You should know this after the last one you covered up in the 50s",

American army guy "lets get a bigger fucking nuke",
This one actually made a limited amount of sense to me, as they weren't really expecting the radiation to kill the monsters - they were expecting the blast's force to kill them, and they had a bomb much more powerful than the previous attempts. It's still dumb, but a tolerable sort of dumb (considering Godzilla uses nuclear breath to damage one of the Mutos.)
 

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You shouldn't take a single thing said on Kotaku or any other Gawker-related site seriously. They're the tabloid of gaming journalism, dealing more in gossip than news.
 

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Is he actually calling it racist or just offensively stupid, as in it's so stupid it's offensive? It would seem he took issue with how shrugged off the situation was and how little impact it had during the rest of the movie in spite of how serious the matter is, hence that last line.

As for Wantabe's character being racist for another reason, I thought it was him going in a daze after realizing no one has any control over the situation and he's desperately trying to make sense of it. He's relying on their instinct while also being the film's connection to its origins in the Japanese market (which is also the reason Hiroshima is brought up). You know a good way this could have been avoided?

If they kept the friggin' story in Japan and not needlessly bringing it home to America so we can have another soldier coming home story that overshadows everything else including everything actually interesting, because we're just in such short fucking supply of those apparently.
 

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TheIceQueen said:
You shouldn't take a single thing said on Kotaku or any other Gawker-related site seriously. They're the tabloid of gaming journalism, dealing more in gossip than news.
Calling Kotaku a tabloid is a bit harsh, considering that they actually do break stories now and again (in fact, the Escapist cites them frequently.)

Their habit of stirring up nontroversies is irritating though.

PainInTheAssInternet said:
Is he actually calling it racist or just offensively stupid, as in it's so stupid it's offensive? It would seem he took issue with how shrugged off the situation was and how little impact it had during the rest of the movie in spite of how serious the matter is, hence that last line.
Considering that the article is about racism in movies and the previous paragraphs are about how racist the writer finds The Last Samurai, it's pretty clear that when the author says "offensively bad" he means racist.
 

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scotth266 said:
TheIceQueen said:
You shouldn't take a single thing said on Kotaku or any other Gawker-related site seriously. They're the tabloid of gaming journalism, dealing more in gossip than news.
Calling Kotaku a tabloid is a bit harsh, considering that they actually do break stories now and again (in fact, the Escapist cites them frequently.)

Their habit of stirring up nontroversies is irritating though.
I'm sure that Daily Mail breaks stories of its own now and again as well, but that doesn't stop it from being tripe I wouldn't wipe my butt with. The same goes for Gawker Media. "Today's gossip is tomorrow's news" should tell you all that you need to know about them as a media network.
 

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scotth266 said:
PainInTheAssInternet said:
Is he actually calling it racist or just offensively stupid, as in it's so stupid it's offensive? It would seem he took issue with how shrugged off the situation was and how little impact it had during the rest of the movie in spite of how serious the matter is, hence that last line.
Considering that the article is about racism in movies and the previous paragraphs are about how racist the writer finds The Last Samurai, it's pretty clear that when the author says "offensively bad" he means racist.
Found the article in question. http://kotaku.com/the-samurai-robot-isnt-racist-hes-the-best-part-of-tra-1599946511

I was right on the money. From the next paragraph "Just, you know, a little passing reference to one of the most horrifying moments in human history and the tension that's left lingering between the United States and Japan."

The reason he found The Last Samurai more offensive than AoE is because it's basking in the trope of "Mighty Whitey" http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MightyWhitey That trope was popular around the time that story was written and he criticizes how much is translated to Cruise's movie. It's only mentioned in the greater context of Wantanabe's career with the author pointing out that AoE is no worse than any other role he's taken on and pointing out Godzilla's worse cultural sensitivity (not racism, though).
 

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If we had more scenes of Watanabe explaining that he and the other scientist had been tracking Godzilla and studying him for some time, I'd be more inclined to agree with his character. Using actual science and research to predict Godzilla's animal instincts rather than just saying "LET THEM FIGHT IT'S NATURE'S BALANCE" and putting all his hope in blind faith.
 

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PainInTheAssInternet said:
It's only mentioned in the greater context of Wantanabe's career with the author pointing out that AoE is no worse than any other role he's taken on and pointing out Godzilla's worse cultural sensitivity (not racism, though).
You're right, cultural insensitivity is probably a better term for his accusation than racism. However, I still don't buy that the scene is culturally insensitive. If anything, I think that the film would have been remiss in NOT having Hiroshima brought up in some fashion, given the themes surrounding the Godzilla movies.

Is the scene rather blunt? Yes, it's a brick through the proverbial window, but it makes sense in context and I felt that it was actually quite powerful seeing an American military general get humbled (even briefly) by the descendant of a Hiroshima victim.

The moment is never mentioned again because it doesn't need to be: by that point in the film, what's been said has been said, and things are heading to their conclusion.

Soviet Heavy said:
If we had more scenes of Watanabe explaining that he and the other scientist had been tracking Godzilla and studying him for some time, I'd be more inclined to agree with his character. Using actual science and research to predict Godzilla's animal instincts rather than just saying "LET THEM FIGHT IT'S NATURE'S BALANCE" and putting all his hope in blind faith.
I agree completely. We just needed a bit more of Watanabe doing science, and maybe his plan to have the kaiju fight each other would have made sense.
 

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What?? That scene was one of the few that Watanabe actually got to do something other than act evasive and mysterious.
It's ridiculous to even TRY to find controversy in it, let alone compare it to things that are actually insensitive and/or racist...

..well, unless we look at it as a piece of clickbait from a muckraking dolt. Then the motivation and purpose becomes plausible.
 

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I found the entire movie to be stupid, tedious, and mostly boring. (I liked Cranston's performance though. He gave so much more credit to the tired character stereotype he was. Especially after the time skip.)

But never racist, nobody was ever really characterized by their heritage. Then again, no one was characterized asides Cranston due to his performance. Everyone else just stands around and watches, and makes super stupid decisions.