The only thing they can't do is watch you sleep - for now. The Government's eye is on you.

Gileseypops

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well if the government is reading this, I have this to say:

WILLY WILLY BUMCRACK GENITALS BIG FLOPPY NOBS WITH HATS!!!!!

That's one more bit of useless information to clog up their database. Try finding relevant information after THAT! :p xx
 

Baby Tea

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The Maddest March Hare said:
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vampirekid.13 said:
the better question is why does that upset you so much? it pretty much only affects you if you take part in illegal activities on the internet and over the phone. so providing you are a fine upstanding brit this really shouldnt matter to you at all.
I have nothing to hide, but that doesn't mean the thought of being monitored and having every action I do stored for 12 months is any less repulsive. Other than if I break the law, the government shouldn't be allowed to have any control over my life, and yet now they can monitor all of us?
Don't we elect the government to run the country, set the laws, and run the forces that enforce them?
Therefore, doesn't the government indeed have some control of your life to a degree?

I personally couldn't care less.
If they spy on all my emails and dealings, what will they find? I don't do any illegal activities, so what's my email going to say? "Hey mom and dad! It was great seeing you on Thanksgiving! I'll email you again when Christmas gets closer so you can find out when we're coming! Love, your son."

Oh no! Heaven forbid they find something like that! I'm just utterly revolted by such an intrusion of privacy. Well let's try something else: Say I send a love email to my wife. Uh oh! Now the government knows I love my wife! Or that I subscribe to the Escapist Newsletter! Or that I just did a Google search for apartments in my area! Where will the tyranny end?

Really, I just don't see the big deal. Maybe everyone has more to hide then me, but whatever the case is: I just don't care.
 

Textbook Bobcat

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Dark Templar said:
Not as much as the media claims. The wiretapping thing has been over for a long time.
A snowball starts small but once set rolling gains great momentum.

vampirekid.13 said:
the better question is why does that upset you so much? it pretty much only affects you if you take part in illegal activities on the internet and over the phone. so providing you are a fine upstanding brit this really shouldnt matter to you at all.
... This is exactly why things like this come to pass, because the majority are too institutionalised (I want a better word but this is all that comes to mind for now) to do anything different than acquiesce.

As long as I do nothing wrong, I shouldn't be bothered about ANY of my privacy being breached? Do you realise how absolutely ridiculous that is?

The ball has begun rolling, and as long as they time it right, and have groomed the public to roll over and accept it enough there's absolutely nothing they won't be able to do.

Internet posts being monitored is one thing, I posted in a public domain so that's fine. Private transactions is completely different.
 

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No. Sure, they have the ability to listen in, and record stuff, but they won't. You're just not that interesting. If they see someone planning to attack parliament, sure. But no, they won't put your post in a folder, and write you up as a disgruntled citizen. You're just not that important, you don't matter to them, and they couldn't care less.

Sure, it's bad that they can do this, but it really won't affect anything. They might catch a few stupid criminals who'd get caught anyway, they won't catch any serious terrorists who'd be succesful at what they were trying to do, and they sure as hell won't spy on you.
 

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And you cousins lack some guns to change it (go constitution and 2nd amendment (?) [lack of sleep damn me if i get this wrong]

Although I will hand it to you, we've never made a holiday for someone trying to blow up congress.
 

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Textbook Bobcat said:
Dark Templar said:
Not as much as the media claims. The wiretapping thing has been over for a long time.
A snowball starts small but once set rolling gains great momentum.
Thats my point. Its over, there is no more snowball.
 

US Crash Fire

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AH! So I see you got yourselves a Patriot Act too! Enjoy quietly losing your freedoms! BB is watching.
 

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As much as people would like to think themselves the most important things in the world, the reality is the government doesn't give a fuck what you or your friends/family get up to or what you do short of mass murder.

Its just another law passed on the vague assumption that it might be able to stop terrorist threats and make the country more secure. Well that or to piss of conspiracy nuts who think a shadowy government wants to read there text messages.
 

Textbook Bobcat

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Silver said:
No. Sure, they have the ability to listen in, and record stuff, but they won't. You're just not that interesting. If they see someone planning to attack parliament, sure. But no, they won't put your post in a folder, and write you up as a disgruntled citizen. You're just not that important, you don't matter to them, and they couldn't care less.

Sure, it's bad that they can do this, but it really won't affect anything. They might catch a few stupid criminals who'd get caught anyway, they won't catch any serious terrorists who'd be succesful at what they were trying to do, and they sure as hell won't spy on you.
It'll be stored automatically, much like an tele communications based company will automatically store telephone records for a period of time. They might not necessarily review it, but it will be there.

As said previously, knowing what your citizens think is invaluable, and this data will be used for research - gauging public opinion. Microsoft are doing it (only on public forums - which as stated is fine) to gauge reactions to their product.

They will be able to mould and twist their intentions to seem the most pleasing to the majority, which is all that is needed.

And what of the times when they misplace data? Like our child benefit information? What about a third party obtaining a part of you at the drop of a hat? What you bought, where you live, when you're awake, what interests you, when you're at home.

I may stop posting in this thread, as I realise I am becoming dangerously "preacher like", and unless I can remain objective for future responses I won't bother.
 

EMFCRACKSHOT

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Textbook Bobcat said:
Dark Templar said:
Not as much as the media claims. The wiretapping thing has been over for a long time.
A snowball starts small but once set rolling gains great momentum.

vampirekid.13 said:
the better question is why does that upset you so much? it pretty much only affects you if you take part in illegal activities on the internet and over the phone. so providing you are a fine upstanding brit this really shouldnt matter to you at all.
... This is exactly why things like this come to pass, because the majority are too institutionalised (I want a better word but this is all that comes to mind for now) to do anything different than acquiesce.

As long as I do nothing wrong, I shouldn't be bothered about ANY of my privacy being breached? Do you realise how absolutely ridiculous that is?

The ball has begun rolling, and as long as they time it right, and have groomed the public to roll over and accept it enough there's absolutely nothing they won't be able to do.

Internet posts being monitored is one thing, I posted in a public domain so that's fine. Private transactions is completely different.
Just to add to this, can you really trust the government to keep your information secure? If they are monitering all your online dealings, extremely sensitive ersonal information could make it into the public domain.
And you are absolutely right. The government gets people so scared of terrorism and stuff, so the people let them do as they will as long as its 'to improve national security' when really its just another way for the government to spy on you
 

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We have something like this in Sweden since January (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRA_law) so all I can say is welcome to the club, check your liberties at the door.
 

PedroSteckecilo

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Dark Templar said:
I live in America.

*points at you* HA HA HA HA HA

But no seriously, I love freedom.
Considering your country enacted a law that enables Arrest/Imprisonment Without Charges or Trial I wouldn't be so pleased with yourself.
 

Eldarion

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PedroSteckecilo said:
Dark Templar said:
I live in America.

*points at you* HA HA HA HA HA

But no seriously, I love freedom.
Considering your country enacted a law that enables Arrest/Imprisonment Without Charges or Trial I wouldn't be so pleased with yourself.
Link it.

So I know which one you are talking about and why you are blowing it out of proportion.
 

asinann

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That's what we in the U.S. told you was going to start happening when you were ok with your guns being taken, then you were ok with the cameras everywhere public.

Soon you won't be able to take a leak without the government analyzing it for drugs as it comes out.
 

Zeekar

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PedroSteckecilo said:
Dark Templar said:
I live in America.

*points at you* HA HA HA HA HA

But no seriously, I love freedom.
Considering your country enacted a law that enables Arrest/Imprisonment Without Charges or Trial I wouldn't be so pleased with yourself.
Only as it pertains to terrorist threats. As you might have noticed from current events, our country has become quite jaded to the point of not knowing what a terrorist is, so it hardly matters.
 

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The only solution is for all upstanding British citizens to visit the nastiest, most horrible porn sites the internet has to offer, as a protest, every day, until this legislation is lifted.

Or, everyone searches terror list things. Learn how to make pipe bombs from home, that kind of thing. If they pull up so many false positives, the system will get taken down as a useless expense.

As an American, I'd rather I didn't get tracked around online, but what are they gonna do? blacklist me for posting on the Escapist? Classify me as a possible threat for reading Dr. McNinja? Who cares if they know what shows I watch on Hulu? I'd be less pissed by the intrusion and more by the unnecessary expense.