The reason I hate Michael Bay

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cuddly_tomato

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At last, I know. I have always sort of known, but until recently I couldn't articulate it with anything more beyond capital letters and flying spit. Ok, except for the obnoxiousness of the odious little turd, his absurdly over-inflated ego, and his pencant for wearing medalions, and everything, there is something else.

People say "Ok, he's no artist but at least he's good with explosions and heroes saving the day and stuff!"

He isn't. In fact, I think these things, what are considered his, for want of a better word, strengths, are his biggest weaknesses. In fact, when it comes to explosions and heroes saving the day, he sucks diarrhetic donkey shit from a donkey that is suffering from dysentery. With a tapeworm in it.

Last week I developed food poisoning, which gave me the marvelous opportunty to lie in bed for a few days, all day long, feeling sorry for myself and watching telly. During this superb week watched a docu-drama called "Krakatoa: The Last Days [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krakatoa_-_The_Last_Days]." Given that this is about the erruption of Krakatoa - the biggest explosion in recorded human history, one would think that this kind of thing is right up Bays very smelly and rat-infested alley. One scene in particular sums up everything that Michael Bay is theoretically not shit at. Big explosion? Check. Hero saving the day? Check. Comely lass involved being brave? Check. Here it is.


For those with youtube phobias, the collapse of the volcano had caused a tsunami. This wave headed towards the ship, Governor General Loudon, captained by one Johan Lindeman. Because he was in shallow water, the only way to save the ship from being destroyed was to turn it straight at the wave and try to steam over it (if anyone wonders why, stick a gravy boat in your tub and make a big wave at it from the front and then from the side.) So, after making a heroic speech below deck to try to explain the situation to the passengers, he gets topside and takes the ship over the wave, with broken glass and hot water flying into his face.

The scene seems set up for a Michael Bay, but look at how it was made. No bombastic music, no massive chin, no comic quip, no helicopters with the inevitably super-hard US marines abseiling down black ropes on their enormous all-American todgers. Not even a late-teenage girl wearing a bit of dental floss suggestively leaning over a motorcycle. Just the characers, and the scene - a pretty average guy who was in a terrible situation and was doing his best to keep himself and everyone else alive. It is this kind of thing which made the scene, which is something Bay doesn't seem to understand. A scene with characters one can relate to, along with making the danger they face seem actually dangerous and not just cartoonish, can make things far more poignant, which makes for a far better and more memorable movie.

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Nwabudike Morgan

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I can't hate him completely, since Bad Boys 2 was a symphonic masterpiece of genius-level stupid. I mean, they threw cars at cars in that movie.
 

tk1989

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"Say, isn't Ricky Martin having a concert? Get the fuck on!"

Ahhh, only Bad Boys 2...

But yeah, Michael Bay sux
 

Arkvoodle

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Bay excels at one thing- popcorn entertainment. His work has no real substance but for the most part is also mindlessly enjoyable.


Except "The Island." That was a fucking piece of crap.
 

Julianking93

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Did you just realize this?

Michael Bay has absolutely no talent what so ever and I can't stand it when people say "Well, he's good with action"

Have you seen Transformers? He can't do anything right.
 

WrongSprite

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That's a ridiculous comparison.

You could hardly have U.S marines in a documentary about Krakatoa. They FIT in Transformers.

Not saying it's good or anything, but you can't compare the two.
 

cuddly_tomato

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WrongSprite said:
That's a ridiculous comparison.

You could hardly have U.S marines in a documentary about Krakatoa. They FIT in Transformers.
Please, don't miss the point.

Re-imagine that scene made by Bay. One word sums up every single thing he touches - soulless. His films might contain eye candy, and might well entertain chronic ADHD sufferers who have eaten too much sugar and peculiar looking mushrooms. My point is that even action scenes need not be soulless.
 

Poomanchu745

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Transformers 2 might be the biggest waste of my life ever. The first 30 minutes of the movie felt like it was just thrown in there for no apparent reason other than to try to give the characters some sort of complexities...and it failed.
 

Samurai Goomba

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Yeah, people say Bay makes decent, brainless movies. Thing is, he actually doesn't. Ong-Bak is a decent, brainless action movie. Mission Impossible is a decent, mindless flick. Transformers and the like are unredeemable crap put to film. Transformers= Independence Day and the like. They're not good, they're not "okay," they're downright insulting in how terrible they are.

Bay can't even get action right, he has to ShakeyCam everything and zoom incredibly close so we can't tell what the crap is going on. His character archetypes are so stereotypical they cross over into the racist and sexist. You could teach a class in what mistakes to not make when making films with a DVD of Transformers.

Blade Runner did robots fighting. Terminator did robots fighting. Freaking George Lucas with SW: Episodes 1-3 had robots fighting at it was still better than Bay! Like, there's this thing we call an establishing shot, Mr. Bay? You use it when you want us to see what is happening on the screen!

Speaking which, Quantum of Solace also sucked. The camera work was terrible. I actually counted at least one transition to an important shot (Bond pulling a level) which came and went so fast it was basically a single frame which no human eyes could see. And the ShakeyCam in that movie reaches impossible levels.
 

Ben7

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Do you really hate Michael Bay?

Seriously though you have an option to watch his crap or not, your not tied down and forced to watch transformers are you?

There is a market for his cheesy explosive fueled action films with over the top clyches and again you can ignore it, hes just spooning to the masses, cant blame a guy for that.



And Krakatoa was an excellent documentry, the lighthouse scene was deeply saddening. :(
 

BlindMessiah94

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But you are missing one key element:
People face down in the sand in slow motion with the sun just starting to set/rise and camera sweeps in every direction!
That's what makes him so gooooooood
 

Samurai Goomba

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Arkvoodle said:
Bay excels at one thing- popcorn entertainment. His work has no real substance but for the most part is also mindlessly enjoyable.


Except "The Island." That was a fucking piece of crap.
The thing is, for some of us every Bay movie feels like "The Island."
 

Nwabudike Morgan

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The thing is, he isn't completely talentless like everyone here is saying. On the contrary, he's a very skilled director. He just makes movies with absolutely zero artistic or intellectual merit. But when it comes to ridiculous flashy spectacle without any substance, he really is a master. Flash and no substance, which is pretty much what you'd expect from someone who got his start in commercials. And speaking of commercials, he's the brains behind one of the greatest ever: the Aaron Burr "Got Milk?" commercial.
 

Fiskmasen

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What exactly do people expect when they see a Bay film? Because from the amount of nerd-anger on the internet about it, every time there's a new film you guys must really expect some sort of fucking masterpiece. Every. Single. Time.
Didn't we learn this around... oh I don't know, Bad Boys? Bay makes stupid movies. He doesn't make them very good either. Are we really this surprised, and do we really need to voice this opinion this loud? Yes, Bay sucks, and all of his movies suck, from a movie-making standpoint (I still like most of his movies, in a purely "there's-nothing-else-on-but-a-Michael-Bay-flick sort of way). Get over it.


[small]Except The Rock, that one's still fucking awesome in every way[/small]