The Star Wars prequels
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I don't mind the prequels; I just thought that the older films kicked their asses in every way shape and form. Sure, SW
M is a fun movie; sure, SW:AotC's battle scenes were awesome; and sure, SW:RotS is hilarious because of Hayden Christiansen's terrible acting; but none of them even begin to compare to the originals. Want to know why? Because they are the originals.
M is a fun movie; sure, SW:AotC's battle scenes were awesome; and sure, SW:RotS is hilarious because of Hayden Christiansen's terrible acting; but none of them even begin to compare to the originals. Want to know why? Because they are the originals.
...Imitation Saccharin post=18.73511.797842 said:
Don't EVER let me hear you say that again.
That said, I liked Revenge of the Sith, even though I knew pretty much how it was going to end.
While I agree that the prequels were considerably worse than the originals, I still enjoyed them. Why? Because they advance the story of Star Wars. If I heard that there were even more Star Wars movies coming out (perhaps 7-9) but I KNEW that they would be pieces of shit, I'd still go see them because they advance the story and lore of Star Wars. I didn't like the original GoW, but I'm still going to at least rent GoW2, just so I can see what happens next.
Also, TFU is, in my opinion, a great game that I would recommend as at least a rental. That game was just fun to play. Plus, you can get a black lightsaber. What else can be said about a game that lets you get a black lightsaber? I mean, it's a lightsaber, that's BLACK.
Also, TFU is, in my opinion, a great game that I would recommend as at least a rental. That game was just fun to play. Plus, you can get a black lightsaber. What else can be said about a game that lets you get a black lightsaber? I mean, it's a lightsaber, that's BLACK.
Because Jar Jar Binks was a terrible character who's sole existance was just to put the emperor in power. Why in god's name would someone leave a retard like that behind to keep an eye on things? It'd be like asking Terry Shiavo to keep on eye on your house while you're on vacation.Combined post=18.73511.797841 said:
Because Haydn Christianson can't act.
Because the kid who played young Anakin couldn't act (I seriously wanted to strangle him when he delivered that massively botched line "Now this is pod racing!")
Because everyone else can act, but were pretty obviously directed badly.
Because the rampant CGI really didn't look good. Compare Return of the Jedi's final space battle to any of the CGI ones from the prequels. Admit it, it looks WAY better, and that's not nostalgia talking either. Put em side by side and ROTJ's is superior. Hell, even The Empire Strikes Back had much more impressive looking action scenes. Could you imagine just how clean and awesome model use would be these days if combined with CGI to clean up the shots? It'd be completely believable looking to an almost scary level.
Not to mention that the light saber fights look like complete dick. Now it's just a whole lot of distracting moves and spins and what not rather than more being styled after traditional sword play.
Need I go on?
There are things I liked though. The first 10-15 minutes of Revenge of the Sith had me riveted to my seat in all honesty. It had that same spark that the originals had, and really seemed to have that same edge Tartakovsky brought to the animated series. The 'fight' between Dooku and Anakin was just pure win. Then they landed on the planet, and it all went downhill from there.
Really, throughout the series I felt that Ewan McGregor was one of the only saving graces. He had very few flat lines and did a great job throughout portaying young Obi-Wan.
Anyway, ranting aside, the prequels were just not that great and George Lucas's short sighted direction and 'vision' are pretty much to blame.
-The below may be considered an informed rant, but I am pretty sure his points refer to more than just Escapist forum members. Also, I know its not starwars but Star Wars, but you try bothering to type it properly every time.-
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I'll let you into something almost everybody in the film and television industry agree on...
...you ready?
...
Critics get paid to give THEIR comment on a film. The only way to see a true films value to you is to watch it yourself.
Surprised at the obvious maybe, but using metacritic to evaluate how good films are to the general populace is a bit of a null argument.
As someone who has done work in TV and Film*, I look at the prequels and think that Lucas can't direct a shit out his arse without screwing something up. He is also guilty of this in the very first released film. Worst introduction shot of your antagonist EVER. There is a reason V and VI are seen as much better, Lucas didn't direct them.
Perhaps I am being a little too mean, got to love medication.
Basically what I am saying is that while some critics may have given it an "OK Not Great", the world cannot be summed by the opinions of a small few. For someone who works in Media, the prequels lack something known as skill in the directing.
For average Joe Blogs, the general impression I get from those old enough to have remembered the original starwars (and were in there twenties-thirties at the time, so not children) is that they have a bit of nostalgia that prevents them from liking the new ones.
The impression I get from those who have watched ALL the films recently - the average agegroup being twenty to thirty - is that, in general, they dislike the Prequels simply due to a mix of bad acting and the lack of "Newness" with the franchise. The first released films (IV through VI) still seem to be popular despite the fact its all been done before. Most probably because the story telling is better in many respects.
That is another point. The original starwars film (IV, directed by Lucas) itself wasn't actually that great. It was good don't get me wrong, but the reason the project took off was much the same as the reason Indiana Jones took off - there was not enough like it at the time. The only other major high-budget science fiction at the time was Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
These days I can name several science fiction films, and even spoofs (Galaxy Quest was one that came into my head just now). The grand scale and insanity of the original Starwars is gone and thus is the main reasons for liking it. People are just more informed/bombarded these days with science fiction and media as a whole.
Of course the fact the original starwars films had decent actors whereas the latest ones had cardboard cutouts (with a few exceptions) didn't help the likeability.
Sorry, I tend to go on little rants sometimes without very much meaning. The conclusion I am trying to come to here is: The reason why many people dislike the Prequels is because in a world of informed audiences, many people find these films incredibly shit, whether you compare them to the original trilogy or not. The reason people dislike Force Unleashed, and any starwars game in the last decade, is more due to informed gamers being fed up with the constant milking of what should be a dead franchise.
Oh, that and the fact most of the games in said franchise play like any other film to videogame conversion: absolute crap.
(*I am not talking small jobs like being a runner here)
________________________________________________________
I'll let you into something almost everybody in the film and television industry agree on...
...you ready?
...
Critics get paid to give THEIR comment on a film. The only way to see a true films value to you is to watch it yourself.
Surprised at the obvious maybe, but using metacritic to evaluate how good films are to the general populace is a bit of a null argument.
As someone who has done work in TV and Film*, I look at the prequels and think that Lucas can't direct a shit out his arse without screwing something up. He is also guilty of this in the very first released film. Worst introduction shot of your antagonist EVER. There is a reason V and VI are seen as much better, Lucas didn't direct them.
Perhaps I am being a little too mean, got to love medication.
Basically what I am saying is that while some critics may have given it an "OK Not Great", the world cannot be summed by the opinions of a small few. For someone who works in Media, the prequels lack something known as skill in the directing.
For average Joe Blogs, the general impression I get from those old enough to have remembered the original starwars (and were in there twenties-thirties at the time, so not children) is that they have a bit of nostalgia that prevents them from liking the new ones.
The impression I get from those who have watched ALL the films recently - the average agegroup being twenty to thirty - is that, in general, they dislike the Prequels simply due to a mix of bad acting and the lack of "Newness" with the franchise. The first released films (IV through VI) still seem to be popular despite the fact its all been done before. Most probably because the story telling is better in many respects.
That is another point. The original starwars film (IV, directed by Lucas) itself wasn't actually that great. It was good don't get me wrong, but the reason the project took off was much the same as the reason Indiana Jones took off - there was not enough like it at the time. The only other major high-budget science fiction at the time was Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
These days I can name several science fiction films, and even spoofs (Galaxy Quest was one that came into my head just now). The grand scale and insanity of the original Starwars is gone and thus is the main reasons for liking it. People are just more informed/bombarded these days with science fiction and media as a whole.
Of course the fact the original starwars films had decent actors whereas the latest ones had cardboard cutouts (with a few exceptions) didn't help the likeability.
Sorry, I tend to go on little rants sometimes without very much meaning. The conclusion I am trying to come to here is: The reason why many people dislike the Prequels is because in a world of informed audiences, many people find these films incredibly shit, whether you compare them to the original trilogy or not. The reason people dislike Force Unleashed, and any starwars game in the last decade, is more due to informed gamers being fed up with the constant milking of what should be a dead franchise.
Oh, that and the fact most of the games in said franchise play like any other film to videogame conversion: absolute crap.
(*I am not talking small jobs like being a runner here)
To all those who like the prequels...
We get it. You have bad taste. That's cool. We all have bad taste in some areas. For myself, I own a copy of DBZ:BT3 that I absolutely love. That's bad taste, and I recognize this. You need to do the same.
Liking episodes 1-3 isn't a bad thing. Saying they were good, however, is simply wrong.
- J
We get it. You have bad taste. That's cool. We all have bad taste in some areas. For myself, I own a copy of DBZ:BT3 that I absolutely love. That's bad taste, and I recognize this. You need to do the same.
Liking episodes 1-3 isn't a bad thing. Saying they were good, however, is simply wrong.
- J
Actually, if they had just used kendo the fights would have been over with 1-2 moves. The same goes for european swordfighting (both fencing and bastard sword) at least if they were unarmed. That would be no good in a movie-battle between the hero and the villain, hence the swirling of blades etc.AgentCLXXXIII post=18.73511.798066 said:
When I was a kid, they re-ran the first three Star Wars on the big screen, so I was lucky enough to see them like that. This may sound lame, but tbey had that certain spark/magic to them in the storytelling and effects. Fast forward a couple years, and its all been replaced by CGI, blatant racial stereotypes and waaay overbearing moral lessons. And I actually fell asleep in Episode 2. Also, the story doesn't tie up properly.
Its kinda weird that Episode 1 still didn't start at a beginning point. It kinda started in the middle of an event, just like Episode 4. Wasn't that the point of making the prequels? Are they gonna start making Episode -1, -2, -3?
In their defense, anything as overly-hyped as those movies would never live up to the expectations.
Its kinda weird that Episode 1 still didn't start at a beginning point. It kinda started in the middle of an event, just like Episode 4. Wasn't that the point of making the prequels? Are they gonna start making Episode -1, -2, -3?
In their defense, anything as overly-hyped as those movies would never live up to the expectations.