The Weeaboo Issue

FireAza

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There's something that's been bothering me for many years now. Weeaboos. No no, I'm not talking about a dislike of Japanophiles here, I'm talking about the way the internet itself behaves when it comes to people whom it believes to be a Japanophile, A.K.A a "Weeaboo".

I want you to all take part in a little scientific experiment (SCIENCE!). Go to Kotaku and find two non-gaming articles, one on Western geek culture (i.e Star Wars, comic books etc) and one on Japenese geek culture (i.e anime, cosplay etc). Now, compare the attitudes of the comments below the article. Let's start with the Western geek culture article. I think what you'll find is the comments are mostly positive, people are saying how cool this thing is and things like that. Nowhere will you find comments complaining about how the article isn't related to video games or accusations that the author is a fat nerd.

Now compare this to the Japanese geek culture article. Most of the comments will be complaints that the article isn't gaming-related, despite the fact that, as evidenced by the "Otaku" in the name, Kotaku isn't a gaming-only website. More comments will be accusations of the author being a Japanophile and comments of that nature. Only a few comments will actually be on topic. Why the huge difference in attutudes between two geek culture articles?


Have any of you watched Gaijin Goomba's YouTube videos? The comments on his videos are more of the same, they accuse him of being a Weeaboo, claiming that he thinks Japan is superior and can do no wrong. Which is kinda missing the point, since talking about Japanese gaming culture from a Western point of view is the entire premise of his series. In either case, he's had to release a few counter videos to show that, no he doesn't actually think that.

In my experience, the mythical "Weeaboo", the weirdo spouting broken Japanese and obsessed with Japan doesn't exist anymore than Big Foot or Nessie does. He's the witch of our little digital Salem (a cookie to you if you get that reference ;)), "appearing" when someone says something positive, or expresses an interest in Japan. But he never really existed in the first place, despite the townsfolk's cries of "WEEABOO! HE'S A WEABOO!"

In an earlier time, maybe he existed. I remember being young and just discovering anime for the first time, perhaps I was over-excited about this discovery and it's novelty and posted on the internet about it. Perhaps others were the same. These days? I haven't seen anything like that in years. I've even been to conventions and seen people shouting more Team Fortress 2 phrases than broken Japanese.

I think rise in popularity of the "Weeaboo" slur and the negativity towards being a fan of Japanese pop-culture in general has either: made people keep their fandom, no matter how reasonable and level-headed, closeted. Or for people who aren't fans, they avoid becoming fans because they "don't want to become one of those Weeaboos". Basically, "weeaboos" have replaced furries as the internet's favorite punching bag.

So my question to you, dear Escapist forums, is this: Why is being a fan of Western geek culture considered acceptable to the internet at large, but having the same level of fandom for Japanese geek culture not? Why does the internet automatically assume someone is a insane "Japan can do no wrong" Japanophile if someone expresses an interest in Japanese geek culture?

Because it'll probably come up, here's my attitude on Japan and Japanese pop-culture. Personally, I watch all kinds of media from many different countries, since I'm a total media whore (I'm totally into The Walking Dead at the moment). However, I do watch a lot of Japanese animation simply for the fact that I love animation, and Japan seems to be the only country making a large amount, and large varied amount of it (outside of France anyway). In general, I hate my fellow fans, since they often love complete tripe, which results in more complete tripe being produced, instead of anime with a focus on story and complex characters. So yes, I'm a bitter and jaded fan. There are things I like about the country (it's people are taught that being polite and not causing trouble to those around you are qualities to strive for) and things I don't like about the country (casual racism and the mind-boggling ways in which the country can be so backwards when it comes to certain technology).

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I swear i haven't heard the term "weebo" in years . Then again , i stay away from most internet forum and youtube comments. I personally like anime and Jrpgs , but that's where my interest in japanese culture stops . I don't listen to japanese pop music , or try to use japanese words when i speak ( i absolutely HATE when people do that,) . I went to the otakuthon for the first time in my hometown this year . And OMG i understand why people make fun of these guys . Seriously , it was three floors of white people pretending to be their favorite anime characters, speaking in broken japanese and doing all the stupid stuff they see in anime. I really do wonder what people from japanese when they see that this is what all these people think japan in like ( i swear most of them do).Basically most of these people have an unrealistic view of japan and their culture and in reality know NOTHING about japan . It's kinda funny , and kinda pathetic .
 

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Well, it's kinda the same in reverse, where the Japanese geek culture tend to look down on Western culture. I guess you can say they both even each other out.

As for me, Japan seems like an "alright" country. There's stuff I love that's came out of it, but there's also stuff that really sucks about it. Basically, it's no different than other big countries. As for the whole weeaboo thing, I still come across some here and there in anime forums, but for the most part I tend to avoid them,so I never had an actual encounter with them. I avoid using Japanese terms or "engrish", especially out of context (I don't even like using terms like "Waifu") and although I'm an avid anime fan, there are still some anime tropes that annoy me. Even so, I still consider myself a huge anime fan.
 

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Yeah, I really haven't heard the term weeaboo in a while. Even on deviantART it seems to be dwindling. But that's just the internet in general, apparently you can't like without being a mindless fan of it,.

As for Japan? I'd like to visit it I would like to learn the language, but I wouldn't want to live there. I'm really accustomed to my American lifestyle and I intend to keep living it. Is it perfect? HELL NO. No country is perfect. I really don't like to compare countries because there's too much subjectivity surrounding the idea.
 

The Wykydtron

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Wow, Weeaboo still exists? Past from the damn past or have I been skipping all the right websites? Japan has an interesting language, I think we can all agree on that but really, who goes around dropping random Japanese into English sentences? Nobody that's who. Except some Fanfiction writers. They don't count though XD

I hate the idea of actually living in Japan. Their general attitude to work is, at the risk of sounding like the lazy bastard that I am, far too... Extreme? I guess? I'm sure you know what I mean.

I'm here for the anime, manga, some select JRPGs and Visual Novels. Nothing more, nothing less.

I think England was the perfect country for me to have been born in to be honest. I couldn't see myself living in America for example, nevermind growing up in America. I'm too nice, too understanding, too non-judgemental and worst of all I have a feeling my constant medication would cost a fuckton in America. NHS ftw. Why are you all so afraid of free healthcare? It's just silly

Now i'm off topic and probably unintentionally insulting people. Whoops. My bad.
 

Lionsfan

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Ok is there some plot to bring up internet stuff from years ago?

Flamewars over Fallout 3, threads about not hating Nickleback, and now this?

Are we back in time or something?
 

shrekfan246

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The Wykydtron said:
too non-judgemental
Not so non-judgmental that you don't unintentionally generalize Americans as being not nice, not understanding, and judgmental. >.>

OT: My ex that I have a really, extremely, insanely complicated relationship with is a massive Japanophile. I wouldn't say to the extent of being a 'weeaboo', but she occasionally uses a Japanese word instead of an English word in a sentence, like 'desu'. It's... interesting.

Anyway, around here on The Escapist at least, I haven't seen much 'weeaboo' hating (at least not as much as Furry or Brony hating), so I'm not sure I agree that it's a huge issue? To be fair, I don't visit hardly any other forums, so I've got a very limited pool of users to base that on.

Edit: And of course I broke the quote. Dammit.
 

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Wow, "Weeaboo" was a meme? I'm kinda glad I missed it. Then again, maybe I didn't:
 

Bara_no_Hime

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FireAza said:
Yes, I agree. I have never actually encountered a real Weeaboo. People on the internet claim they exist, but I ran an anime club in college, and I never met one. Fans, sure. People tho thought Japan was superior? Never.

In fact, in my experience, the MORE you know about Japan, the less superior it seems.

Exotic? Sure. Different? Yes. That alone can make it interesting. But superior? No way.

I think some of it may be that certain things from Japan are superior. I hate Western comic books. They bore me. I prefer manga because rather than having insane continuity stretching back to the 1930s, with periodic reboots, you have a single 10-20 book series that ends and is done. You have a finite story with a beginning, middle, and end.

Thus, I believe that Japanese comics are superior to Western comics. I don't think their culture is superior at all - but I believe their comics are superior.

I think a lot of manga fans feel similar - and I think that this causes some butt-hurtness with Western comic book fans. I've been treated to a lot of abuse by Western Comic book fans over the years.

[Kira Must Die said:
]Well, it's kinda the same in reverse, where the Japanese geek culture tend to look down on Western culture. I guess you can say they both even each other out.
Do you mean geek culture in Japan? Or the Japan geek culture here? Because I haven't experience that either - apart from the aforementioned dislike for Western comics.
 

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shrekfan246 said:
OT: My ex that I have a really, extremely, insanely complicated relationship with is a massive Japanophile. I wouldn't say to the extent of being a 'weeaboo', but she occasionally uses a Japanese word instead of an English word in a sentence, like 'desu'. It's... interesting.
I sprinkle some Japanese into my English - mostly when I've been watching anime lately - but that's usually because I'm quoting an anime.

I'm equally likely to make a reference to something Western.

For example, if I want another or something, I might say "Tsugi!" - which means "Next!" and is what Juri shouts in Revolutionary Girl Utena when she wants a new ass to kick.

Likewise, if something isn't working properly, I might say "I didn't build the damn thing!" - quoting Thug Boy from Empowered quoting the Terminator movies.

I'm a geek - I quote TV shows and movies. If 25% of what I watch is in Japanese, then I'm going to do some of my quoting in Japanese.
 

Vault101

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I hear the term Otaku more than Weaboo

personally I'm not a fan of many of the staples of Anime (asthetically mostly) even though some of my favorite films are Anime I loathe certain aspects of the whole thing

Bara_no_Hime said:
I think some of it may be that certain things from Japan are superior. I hate Western comic books. They bore me. I prefer manga because rather than having insane continuity stretching back to the 1930s, with periodic reboots, you have a single 10-20 book series that ends and is done. You have a finite story with a beginning, middle, and end.
western comics do that too....its jsut nobody seems to talk about those ones

[quote/]Thus, I believe that Japanese comics are superior to Western comics. I don't think their culture is superior at all - but I believe their comics are superior.

I think a lot of manga fans feel similar - and I think that this causes some butt-hurtness with Western comic book fans. I've been treated to a lot of abuse by Western Comic book fans over the years.
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hav you actually read any western comics? YES the whole continutiy BS is a thing..but as I pointed out theres actually a whole lot of comics that have nothing to do with superheros or continuity, point is you throw around supirior when peopel have counter points and they will act with hostility...much like people who bash Anime "cause its all weird shit"
 

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Vault101 said:
I hear the term Otaku more than Weaboo

personally I'm not a fan of many of the staples of Anime (asthetically mostly) even though some of my favorite films are Anime I loathe certain aspects of the whole thing

Bara_no_Hime said:
I think some of it may be that certain things from Japan are superior. I hate Western comic books. They bore me. I prefer manga because rather than having insane continuity stretching back to the 1930s, with periodic reboots, you have a single 10-20 book series that ends and is done. You have a finite story with a beginning, middle, and end.
western comics do that too....its jsut nobody seems to talk about those ones

[quote/]Thus, I believe that Japanese comics are superior to Western comics. I don't think their culture is superior at all - but I believe their comics are superior.

I think a lot of manga fans feel similar - and I think that this causes some butt-hurtness with Western comic book fans. I've been treated to a lot of abuse by Western Comic book fans over the years.
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hav you actually read any western comics? YES the whole continutiy BS is a thing..but as I pointed out theres actually a whole lot of comics that have nothing to do with superheros or continuity, point is you throw around supirior when peopel have counter points and they will act with hostility...much like people who bash Anime "cause its all weird shit"[/quote]

It happens a lot more with manga then comics. To the point where I really can't admit I like them in public because I get ridiculed for it.
 

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FireAza said:
However, I do watch a lot of Japanese animation simply for the fact that I love animation, and Japan seems to be the only country making a large amount, and large varied amount of it (outside of France anyway). In general, I hate my fellow fans, since they often love complete tripe, which results in more complete tripe being produced, instead of anime with a focus on story and complex characters.
I'd be inclinced to agree...

I love Animation, but since disney pretty much died in that regard (classic 2D) you don't see it as much, the great thing about Anime is that they don't have the wests "FOR KIDS!!" delusion, they can actually make an adult story for adults (when they arent making it for otakus)
 

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At least furries have been replaced...

Oh wait. xD

In all seriousness, I think this is just another one of those things that makes me want to scream "GROW UP, PEOPLE!" In response to, but alas, I don't think it will help. People still want to hate against people who like different things, do different things, and behave differently. So, I just sit by, don't encourage them, and watch as the human race devolves.
 

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FireAza said:
Have any of you watched Gaijin Goomba's YouTube videos? The comments on his videos are more of the same, they accuse him of being a Weeaboo, claiming that he thinks Japan is superior and can do no wrong. Which is kinda missing the point, since talking about Japanese gaming culture from a Western point of view is the entire premise of his series. In either case, he's had to release a few counter videos to show that, no he doesn't actually think that.

In my experience, the mythical "Weeaboo", the weirdo spouting broken Japanese and obsessed with Japan doesn't exist anymore than Big Foot or Nessie does. He's the witch of our little digital Salem (a cookie to you if you get that reference ;)), "appearing" when someone says something positive, or expresses an interest in Japan. But he never really existed in the first place, despite the townsfolk's cries of "WEEABOO! HE'S A WEABOO!"
Note: What you are about to read is heavily based off of my personal experience with the subject of weeabboos, and also, sorry if I kind of went off on a tangent and didn't answer your main question
Maybe it's just a difference of experiences, but "weeabboos" are by no means mythical or non-existent. Well, at least as I tend to define them anyways. Just to get this straight, Japanophile =/= Weeabboo. I define a Weeabboo as someone who is overly enthusiastic about anime/manga/anime games to the point of what I wouldn't consider sane, i.e., cosplaying to school regularly, like whenever there is an anime club meeting, buying tons of pocky and bringing it to school to show off regularly because they think that Japanese people love it (of course, some people really do just like it, but still), loudly shouting about rather unsavory topics such as tentacle rape in rather crowded public space where any passerby can hear without any hint of shame. Often times they will usually think that Japan is the best country in the world and that everywhere else just kind of sucks, and have an intense desire to be Japanese. They usually think that they know Japan very well and love Japan because they watch anime, but actually know very little. They also usually will get offended when you refer to anime as Japanese cartoons, and often hate dubs and refuse to accept that a dub could be even be in the same hemisphere as the sub, and on the note of sub, would only consider watching it subbed, yet claim that they wish to watch it in it's truest form which is a bit contradictory since in its truest form, there wouldn't be english subtitles clogging up the screen. /rant
Anyways, one common thing about most weeabboos is that they are young. They are usually just getting into anime and just discovering their tastes in anime, and every single thing seems so novel to them. In other words, they are basically infatuated with anime. I would think it rare to find a serious weeabboo past high school unless they didn't get into anime until more recently, since most people do go through that kind of a phase, and eventually mature a bit, realize that they're being silly, and move on.
tl;drYes, weeabboos exist, they are generally occur when a young person first discovers anime and becomes entranced by its novelty and uniqueness from their own animation, and it is most often, as phase, and they in my experience, eventually grow out of it once they are no longer infatuated by it and mellow out. You can probably expect the most concentrated amount of them in between ages 10-15 from my experience, so considering the age demographic of the escapist, it doesn't really surprise me when some of you say that you have never met one.
 

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Vault101 said:
hav you actually read any western comics? YES the whole continutiy BS is a thing..but as I pointed out theres actually a whole lot of comics that have nothing to do with superheros or continuity, point is you throw around supirior when peopel have counter points and they will act with hostility...much like people who bash Anime "cause its all weird shit"
I loved the Sandman graphic novels by Neil Gaiman.

Although I haven't read the whole thing, I enjoyed reading a few of the Scott Pilgrim graphic novels.

I quite enjoyed the Aliens comics of the early to mid 90s.

I enjoy a plethora of Western web comics such as Girls with Slingshots.

And I own a total of four X-Men comics - the ones written by Joss Whedon. Which I only bought because Joss Whedon.

I tried to read other X-Men comics (I checked out several graphic novels from the Library), but they were painfully boring. Even the Whedon comics were insanely confusing. Apparently Magnito was dead after somewhere I'd never heard of got blown up, and Emma Frost was an X-Person, and Kitty Pride was basically Willow from Buffy. And she was romantically involved with some male X-Man I'd never heard of. Who was also dead. Until he wasn't.

Whereas, I love reading manga involving super heroes or other people with fantastic powers.

Perhaps I should have specified I meant Western Superhero Comics vs Manga about people with super powers. I find many other western comics quite good - the more self-contained, the better.
 

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FireAza said:
I want you to all take part in a little scientific experiment (SCIENCE!). Go to Kotaku and find two non-gaming articles, one on Western geek culture (i.e Star Wars, comic books etc) and one on Japanese geek culture (i.e anime, cosplay etc). Now, compare the attitudes of the comments below the article. Let's start with the Western geek culture article. I think what you'll find is the comments are mostly positive, people are saying how cool this thing is and things like that. Nowhere will you find comments complaining about how the article isn't related to video games or accusations that the author is a fat nerd.

Now compare this to the Japanese geek culture article. Most of the comments will be complaints that the article isn't gaming-related, despite the fact that, as evidenced by the "Otaku" in the name, Kotaku isn't a gaming-only website. More comments will be accusations of the author being a Japanophile and comments of that nature. Only a few comments will actually be on topic. Why the huge difference in attitudes between two geek culture articles?
I think this is less due to an anti-Japanese culture sentiment and more because the people on Kotaku are terrible in general.

I do see what you're saying though, in a lot of places there tends to be an almost inherent opposition to Japanese things on principal. There tends to be a "if I don't like it but other people do they must be wrong and it's okay to make fun of them" kind of attitude on the internet, and if you look at it there's plenty of the reverse as well, people so into Japanese culture that they will disparage anything Western on principal too. I think there will always be people like that, who disparage others based on what they like, I don't think it's exclusive to one particular interest. Plus those stereotypes tend to be exaggerated for effect.

As for knowing any "Weeaboos." I did use to know some in High School, and they were somewhat annoying, but they never conformed to the stereotypes quite as strongly as they are portrayed online sometimes. I knew one person like that in High School, but aside from being really really interested in Japanese culture and pop culture she didn't didn't really fit the stereotype exactly either. I think it's more younger people though would more strongly fit the stereotypes, it seem most people grow out of it (the stereotypes, not necessarily their interest in Japanese culture) as they get older.
 

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I wonder if Japanese geek culture has a subgenre dedicated to being American geekdom fans..... They'd all wear cowboy hats.
 

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Lionsfan said:
Ok is there some plot to bring up internet stuff from years ago?

Flamewars over Fallout 3, threads about not hating Nickleback, and now this?

Are we back in time or something?

Break the cycle.