Haerthan said:
Inglorious891 said:
Congratulations. YOu just took what I said and completely misunderstood it. Never thought I would actually see that. There is a ton of things that feminists dont agree between each other. However at the core of it all there is the idea that EQUALITY BETWEEN SEXES is the objective. Radicals such as TERFS (Trans-exclusionary radical feminists) and SWERFS (Sex-Work Exclusionary Radical Feminists) are just some of them. True feminists actively shun those bigots.
Second. Read some feminist literature (seriously you really need to cause it seems you are unable to understand what feminism actually stands for). There was no feminist that said what you claim that MRAs should shut up about what they are fighting for (and lets face most of us have had the bad kind of experience with MRAs). If there was, then it most likely was a radical feminist, already shunned by feminist
Feminism has always been about equality. Hell feminists fight against patriarchy because it also makes out of men emotionally stunted people. But hey keep spouting that stupid strawman that feminists told MRAs to shut up. Might want to back that shit up with sources.
Captcha: how interesting. THat is how I find your lack of sources.
It's funny...
There's that same phrase always repeated ad nauseum around here lately, with no variation.
"read feminist literature". There's never any specifics, or feminists deemed actual feminists worthy of being read and not...whatever the extra lettered crap is along with radfems. And when people go and find people like McElroy and Sommers because they're sorta some of the first things to pop up in a search, they're told they aren't looking in the right places and they need to look harder.
I took some engineering classes and read some engineering books, doesn't make me anymore qualified to do engineering things than it does to make you an expert on all feminist practices and what does and doesn't make a feminist. Just a quick look through wiki is very nearly a copy of what you're saying. I'd hope you could make a better argument than that if you've taken classes and read the books.
Heck, the only thing I see more of is more of these radfems you keep saying are shunned by Feminism and are regularly deemed not feminists, but you'd think that would mean a gradual decrease with a few spikes maybe of how many of them you see. But that is all that people see nowadays. For every one well-meaning Feminist that actually wants equality, you've got two dozen "PUNCH UP", "PATRIARCHY IS TOTES REAL, YOU JUST CAN'T SEE IT BECAUSE YOU'RE SURROUNDED BY IT","SHIFT THE SCALES", "RAPE CULTURE", "BENEVOLENT SEXISM IS WORSE THAN MISOGYNY" types.
There's just no way I can believe anything you say on this subject. Not that MRA's are all that different, but at least they don't make a habit of getting caught on camera interrupting Feminist lecture halls and rallies with yelling, false fire alarms, and insults.
Also, as an aside, go ahead and say you don't like Thunderfoot, that you don't agree with his views, or even that he's an arrogant prick with a bone the size of a Megalodon to pick with feminists, but don't go and say he's not a scientist when he's put in the effort to be granted a PhD in...Chemistry I think. I don't agree with most of what he says, but that doesn't give you the right to say he's not when he has proven that he at least has the stubbornness to go through eight years of university for his degree.