Inglorious891 said:
Haerthan said:
Congratulations. YOu just took what I said and completely misunderstood it. Never thought I would actually see that. There is a ton of things that feminists dont agree between each other. However at the core of it all there is the idea that EQUALITY BETWEEN SEXES is the objective. Radicals such as TERFS (Trans-exclusionary radical feminists) and SWERFS (Sex-Work Exclusionary Radical Feminists) are just some of them. True feminists actively shun those bigots.
Yes, feminists believe in equality of the sexes. How that is reached is completely up for debate and with the wildly different and sometimes opposing views that feminists have means that the means to that goal isn't clear. Not a bad thing as it (in theory anyway) invites more discusison, but to imply that all feminists have a clear-cut beginning to end goal is silly.
Haerthan said:
True feminists actively shun those bigots.
There's that phrase again. "True" feminists can shun or not shun whatever they want; just because they don't agree with your opinion on what deserves shunning and what doesn't isn't an indicator on whether or not they're "true" feminists.
Haerthan said:
Feminism has always been about equality. Hell feminists fight against patriarchy because it also makes out of men emotionally stunted people. But hey keep spouting that stupid strawman that feminists told MRAs to shut up. Might want to back that shit up with sources.
Captcha: how interesting. THat is how I find your lack of sources.
My definition of "feminism" is based on the dictionary. Humanism/Egalitarianism is equality for all, while feminism is soley for women. And no, there's not a thing with wrong with only fighting for the rights of women.
Than how in all seven hells can you say that feminism is against equality of sexes? Yes there are many ways to get there, some good some bad. The bad ones, like TERFS and SWERFs arent even considered feminists anymore because they are actively hostile to the 3rd wave of feminism. And the rest of the radicals don't espouse equality, they espouse matriarchy and in some cases , like Valerie Solanas, the complete subjugation of men. Last I checked feminism was never for that.
Second, you do not understand what I mean by true feminists. What I am saying is that the objective of all actual feminists is equality for sexes. That is what a true feminist is. How you get there is different and not all feminists agree. There is no fucking hive mind where the feminists are all in complete agreement with each other. Never has been never will be. Hell early second wave feminism was divided by race and freaking class, but they were still feminists.
Take Alice Schwarzer for example: she is against the legalization of prostitution in Germany, favouring a law like in Sweden where the sale is legal, but not its purchase. Me personally I am for the legalization and regulation of it, removing it from the criminal element.
If you really want to know what feminism is take this list and start reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_feminist_literature#20th_century (suggest Simone de Beauvoir, Judith Butler, Betty Friedan to start off)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMMA_(magazine)
Oh and I don't know what dictionaries you are looking at buddy but the Merriam Webster one goes like this
feminism
noun fem·i·nism \ˈfe-mə-ˌni-zəm\
: the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities
: organized activity in support of women's rights and interests
Oxford Dictionary says this:
Definition of feminism in English:
noun
[MASS NOUN]
The advocacy of women?s rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.
Romanian dictionaries state something along these lines (The DEX- again the most authoritative dictionary in Romanian):
FEMINÍSM s. n. Mișcare socială care susține egalitatea în drepturi a femeii cu bărbatul în toate sferele de activitate. ? Din fr. féminisme, rus. feminizm.
Translation: "A social movement that works for equal rights for women in conjunction with men in all spheres of activity- From French feminisme, Russian feminizm.
The fuckmothering Duden (German authoritative text on the German language no fucking biggie) :
Bedeutungen
Richtung der Frauenbewegung, die, von den Bedürfnissen der Frau ausgehend, eine grundlegende Veränderung der gesellschaftlichen Normen (z. B. der traditionellen Rollenverteilung) und der patriarchalischen Kultur anstrebt
(Medizin, Zoologie) das Vorhandensein oder die Ausbildung weiblicher Geschlechtsmerkmale beim Mann oder bei einem männlichen Tier; Verweiblichung
Translation: "without Plural, Direction of the women's liberation movement, outgoing from the needs of women, strives for a fundamental change in societal norms (for example the traditional roles) and in the patriarchal culture. (medicine, zoology) the presence or the build up of female sexual markers in a man or a male animal; feminization"
NOW in 3 fucking languages I just showed you what feminism is. ANd in two of them the amount of gendered language is hugely problematic (German and Romanian, English to a much lesser extent). Take it from a translator and a linguist. So yea I am going to trust the dictionary that has been made by people that have worked in the field (the Duden and the DEX and the fucking Oxford dictionary are made by linguists). Not some urban dictionary BS.
Only in America do you see people bring up the whole "egalitarian, not a feminist" because they are all either a bunch of ignorant jackasses, either too stupid to be able to discern the right course of action in their own interests, or brainwashed to not be able to think for themselves.
Furthermore I keep telling you to back your shit up with sources but you don't so I really don't see the whole point of arguing with you. I backed up my shit (the links and the translations from 2 languages, I am a multilingual person). Hell I even gave you a list with feminist literature and pointed you to some pretty good authors (as much as I hate Wikipedia, their lists are pretty well curated) and a modern German magazine. But hey keep making that strawman that feminists fight for inequality (pffft hahahahahahahhahahahahahaahahahahaha
hahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahaha) and show your true colours.
Next thing I know you'll start on how rape culture doesnt exist and shit like that. So again don't talk about shit that you clearly have no idea, get educated, read some academic texts, not everything on the Internet is true. As much as you would like that to be true.
Note to self: translate the magazine for training. associate membership examination is in a month.