Thank you for speaking up. For the record, I see nothing wrong with having sceptical approach to these matters. Critical thinking is a wonderful skill to develop in life! I'm just excited for what happens next.Sniper Team 4 said:I'm afraid I fall into the group of people who won't believe in aliens until I see hardcore proof. And I mean something along the lines of finding some sort of structure that clearly wasn't built by humans, or constructed by nature's randomness. Or some sort of transmission. Or bodies. Or aliens doing exactly that: landing in front of the U.N.
There's a lot of stuff in our galaxy alone that science is still just now discovering, let alone trying to figure out how it works. So yeah, I'm not chalking this up to aliens just yet. More in line of, "We have no idea what's causing this because it's happening outside of our current understanding of science."
I understand your caution, but regarding the SDSS findings, it seems like the insinuation is that they are colonized worlds, since the bursts are time synchronized. I hope it's a chemical anomaly, because an alien race with that many colonies seems like one we'd rather not make contact with.Saltyk said:Okay, so I think saying that intelligent life exists somewhere out there in the universe is a given. There's so much space out there. Even if the odds of intelligent life arising elsewhere is a fraction of a half of a percent, that means there will be at least one intelligent species per galaxy.
Now, that brings us to the question of if there is intelligent life in our galaxy? Maybe. Has it visited us? Possible, but not entirely likely.
I'm all too willing to say there is other life in our galaxy. It may not be much more than bacteria, but could be as complex (and even as intelligent) as a dog or ape. I don't think this is controversial.
The 200 stars with odd light patterns I find suspect. That seems like a lot of life out there. Way more than I would reasonably expect, unless they were colonized worlds. And the Dyson Sphere theory seems questionable. Especially without a way to actually confirm it. Radio signal, for example.
The emails don't sound that convincing, either. It sounds like two people who believe in intelligent life discussing the possibility of it being confirmed. Not actually discussing revealing that. Far from damning as it were.
I want to clarify. I'm the type that wants to believe. I just know better than to get my hopes up. What you imagine will almost certainly be far better than reality.
I share your concernm00se said:I understand your caution, but regarding the SDSS findings, it seems like the insinuation is that they are colonized worlds, since the bursts are time synchronized. I hope it's a chemical analogy, because an alien race with that many colonies seems like one we'd rather not make contact with.
I think it's more a problem with certain article and headline writers, not so much the astronomers. As far as I can tell the general scientific consensus seems to be that "we don't know", "could be aliens" and "quite unlikely to actually be aliens".Recusant said:We have two tings here: evidence of a couple of overly credulous people and evidence that a number of astronomers didn't bother to learn the history of their discipline.
Smilomaniac said:As for whether we're alone in the universe - We're not. If we actually were, I'd be inclined to believe in God.
But why would you be inclined to believe in a god without evidence? There is no actual evidence for gods. Just a bunch of claims that people make declaring it to be evidence. Even if somehow anyone proved intelligent life somewhere else all that would happen is reinforcing the god of the gaps argument.Smilomaniac said:Evidence does not necessarily equal proof. Think of it as indications instead.
It's probably true we, as we are, are not ready for the third contact. We're still a specie in infancy, a humble step to something greater. We might need some more time to cure all the little flaws in our brain (mainly religion, as it encompasses all issues in our current cognitive abilities), and become the next humanity worthy of alien interest. Let alone accept a floating radioemitter dumpbag as our new CEO.Stupidity said:...
Also "humanity" is never going to be ready for extraterrestrial life. NEVER. Vast swathes of the planet are still theocracies and murder for "Insert Deity Here." Although technological change has increased leisure time and available resources so that western societies can pretended to be peaceful and understanding, our fundamental nature hasn't changed.
It's not even a question of violence. As a whole, humanity would respond to ET with fear, hate, complacency, curiosity, greed and stupidity. People really underestimate how alien an alien race could actually be.