Think I'm about done watching Futurama...

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I loved the pre-cancelation seasons of Futurama. Back then the vast majority of the episodes were original stories with humorous pop-culture/current event references in the form of talking about them as though they were important historic events a thousand years ago.

But there's two main problems I have with the newer seasons that have come out. For starters I just think most of the episodes are only "meh" at best as it seems Matt Greoning is struggling to recapture that golden formula that turned Futurama into a cult hit that had people demanding that it be brought back from cancelation. But the fact that he hasn't recaptured that magic actually ties directly into what disgusts me the most about the newer seasons: too much political bullshit.

It's no secret that Matt is a liberal, a pretty big one at that. But where as the old seasons might have an Al Gore reference about how he's some kind of environmental hero, it seems now we're past the point of references and have reached the point where episodes are coming out as 30 minute propaganda opportunities.

Such as the most recent episode which pretty much has the theme of "Obama is the greatest man alive, he is a fantastic leader and the best president this country has ever had. All criticism of him is hateful, ignorant, and entirely based upon lies and rumors."

As I said, I don't mind a cartoonist weaving in their political views into their cartoons, but it has to be done with a delicate touch as it was before in pre-cancelation Futurama. When you make episodes like the one from last night, you're just completely alienating half your audience. Does Matt honestly believe a conservative will watch that episode and suddenly think "He's right, all my disagreements with Obama's policies and the current state of the nation under his administration are just ridiculous. He's a wonderful man and I should be thankful that he got elected"? Because if that's the aim, it's not going to happen.

It's as though Matt got into a competition with Seth Macfarlane for who could make the most liberal-agenda-pushing show. The difference is that Family Guy at least still has some funny gags, Futurama is just getting lame.
 

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RJ 17 said:
It's as though Matt got into a competition with Seth Macfarlane for who could make the most liberal-agenda-pushing show. The difference is that Family Guy at least still has some funny gags, Futurama is just getting lame.
I haven't watched any Futurama since the first series after it came back, but I did feel it had lost some of its innocence.

As for Family Guy, I won't watch anything beyond the first two seasons when they turned Stewie into a 'camp-is-funny' character from 'mastermind thwarted by being a baby'. I did catch one episode a few years ago when I saw they essentially put together the Swedish chef from the muppets, and Officer Crabtree from 'Allo 'Allo (two characters who weren't funny, quite literally before I was born) and put them together. I insist someone puts Family Guy on when I'm playing poker as it's when my face is straightest.
 

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ReadyAmyFire said:
... I did catch one episode a few years ago when I saw they essentially put together the Swedish chef from the muppets, and Officer Crabtree from 'Allo 'Allo (two characters who weren't funny, quite literally before I was born) and put them together.
Oh come now.
Officer Crabtree was brilliant. He was always just pissing by! Riotous mirth.
 

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Loop Stricken said:
Oh come now.
Officer Crabtree was brilliant. He was always just pissing by! Riotous mirth.
Psst. The man was hilarious, but it degrades my point to admit so. I still say 'Good moaning' to people.
 

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Y'know, I was perfectly content with The Devils Hands are Idle Playthings as a final episode to the series. It had everything a final episode needed; good story, lots of callbacks, heart, humour, and signing! Plus that funny Robot Devil/Nixon gag.

When the four dvd films were announced, I was modestly excited that it was coming back. Of course, then I watched them... So ok, Benders Big Score was kinda funny, in places, but Beast with a Billion Backs was painfully unfunny and seemed to go on forever. And the Dungeons and Dragons one? Shit, the only vaguely funny thing I can even remember from that is the scene where they get attacked by Morks.

The newer series though, yeah, you're right, its trying to be too much like Family Guy, IN SPACE!!! (sometimes) and it just doesn't work. Its not funny, and its not intelligent. I mean come on, Leela has a singing scottish boil on her ass that she calls Susan? Really!?, thats the level they've sunk too?

Futurama is dead to me.
 

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I love it and I loved the most recent episode. great stuff, also trying to be too much like Family Guy? Yeah that's not it at all. You'd know if it was trying to be like Family Guy
 

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I think it's still pretty funny. Don't get defensive about this if you can help it, but I think one thing might be that the reason the first four seasons were so loved was because they were cancelled in the first place. Not to say they weren't great, but when you give someone something and after a while take it away, they will react with quite a lot of hostility. It's the same with spears in TES; they were in the game, but few people really noticed or used them. But once they were gone, OH MAN! "We want spears! BRING BACK SPEARS!!! WE LURV THEM!!!" Ugh.

It's either that, or seeing as how the first four seasons were years ago, and you and the writers of Futurama have both changed in your values, opinions, and goals, that you just don't have the right sense of humor for the show anymore. Not your fault, not theirs. You aren't the same person you were 8 years ago, and Futurama is not the same show. That's life, bub, and we all have to deal with it at some point.
 

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Quiet Stranger said:
I love it and I loved the most recent episode. great stuff, also trying to be too much like Family Guy? Yeah that's not it at all. You'd know if it was trying to be like Family Guy
:p For the record, when I said the bit about a competition with Seth, I didn't mean that the format/jokes were trying to become more like Family Guy. What I meant is that Family Guy, too, has been pushing a political agenda in a lot of the newer episodes that come out. Futurama is now doing the exact same thing. It doesn't matter to me what you're political views are...I watched Futurama for entertainment because I liked what the series used to be...I didn't watch it because I was eager to see propaganda.

Surely you can see how this most recent episode was 100% politically biased. Even if you're a liberal, you HAVE to at least be able to admit that.

The_Waspman said:
Y'know, I was perfectly content with The Devils Hands are Idle Playthings as a final episode to the series. It had everything a final episode needed; good story, lots of callbacks, heart, humour, and signing! Plus that funny Robot Devil/Nixon gag.
You know, when it was first announced that Futurama was coming back, I was actually pretty excited. I was hoping for more of what made Futurama great back in the pre-cancelation seasons. However, seeing what they've put out so far.....yeah, I gotta say I'd have been perfectly fine with Devil's Hands being the last episode of the series. Ending with the knowledge that Fry finally got Lela to appreciate him.

I mean for crying out loud, we go from the absolutely tear-jerking Seymor the Dog episode (EVERY time I watch that episode, I cry during the ending sequence that shows that Seymor never moved on, that he faithfully waited outside the pizza shop until he finally lays down and dies all set to that horrifically sad/appropriate "If it takes forever, I will wait for you" song...>.< such a good god damn dog!!!) to an "All hail and praise Obama!" episode.....yeah, that pretty much sums up why I just can't keep watching the show anymore.
 

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I think it's still pretty funny. Don't get defensive about this if you can help it, but I think one thing might be that the reason the first four seasons were so loved was because they were cancelled in the first place. Not to say they weren't great, but when you give someone something and after a while take it away, they will react with quite a lot of hostility. It's the same with spears in TES; they were in the game, but few people really noticed or used them. But once they were gone, OH MAN! "We want spears! BRING BACK SPEARS!!! WE LURV THEM!!!" Ugh.

It's either that, or seeing as how the first four seasons were years ago, and you and the writers of Futurama have both changed in your values, opinions, and goals, that you just don't have the right sense of humor for the show anymore. Not your fault, not theirs. You aren't the same person you were 8 years ago, and Futurama is not the same show. That's life, bub, and we all have to deal with it at some point.
I understand your point, and it definitely is a valid one to bring up, however that's not the case in this situation. As I had just posted while you were posting this:

I mean for crying out loud, we go from the absolutely tear-jerking Seymor the Dog episode (EVERY time I watch that episode, I cry during the ending sequence that shows that Seymor never moved on, that he faithfully waited outside the pizza shop until he finally lays down and dies all set to that horrifically sad/appropriate "If it takes forever, I will wait for you" song...>.< such a good god damn dog!!!) to an "All hail and praise Obama!" episode.....yeah, that pretty much sums up why I just can't keep watching the show anymore.
Episodes like the Seymor episode and the Devil's Hand episode were fantastic. As I said in my OP: the old show didn't used to be nearly as heavily political as more and more of the new episodes are turning out to be. I own all the pre-cancelation seasons and still enjoy the heck out of them. My tastes haven't changed, my sense of humor hasn't changed, it's the writing of the series that has changed, and I just can't stick with it due to that change.
 

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RJ 17 said:
Jack the Potato said:
I think it's still pretty funny. Don't get defensive about this if you can help it, but I think one thing might be that the reason the first four seasons were so loved was because they were cancelled in the first place. Not to say they weren't great, but when you give someone something and after a while take it away, they will react with quite a lot of hostility. It's the same with spears in TES; they were in the game, but few people really noticed or used them. But once they were gone, OH MAN! "We want spears! BRING BACK SPEARS!!! WE LURV THEM!!!" Ugh.

It's either that, or seeing as how the first four seasons were years ago, and you and the writers of Futurama have both changed in your values, opinions, and goals, that you just don't have the right sense of humor for the show anymore. Not your fault, not theirs. You aren't the same person you were 8 years ago, and Futurama is not the same show. That's life, bub, and we all have to deal with it at some point.
I understand your point, and it definitely is a valid one to bring up, however that's not the case in this situation. As I had just posted while you were posting this:

I mean for crying out loud, we go from the absolutely tear-jerking Seymor the Dog episode (EVERY time I watch that episode, I cry during the ending sequence that shows that Seymor never moved on, that he faithfully waited outside the pizza shop until he finally lays down and dies all set to that horrifically sad/appropriate "If it takes forever, I will wait for you" song...>.< such a good god damn dog!!!) to an "All hail and praise Obama!" episode.....yeah, that pretty much sums up why I just can't keep watching the show anymore.
Episodes like the Seymor episode and the Devil's Hand episode were fantastic. As I said in my OP: the old show didn't used to be nearly as heavily political as more and more of the new episodes are turning out to be. I own all the pre-cancelation seasons and still enjoy the heck out of them. My tastes haven't changed, my sense of humor hasn't changed, it's the writing of the series that has changed, and I just can't stick with it due to that change.
Well I really thought the episode was just a jab at the Birther movement, which I think anyone with half a brain cell (i.e. NOT Donald Trump) can agree is entirely stupid and mock-worthy. Either way though, even if you haven't changed your sense of humor, the show has. Hell, I'm befuddled and perplexed at people who still like Family Guy or Spongebob. I thought both shows have absolutely tanked in quality over the years, but both still have strong followings. Things change, and if the things you love change and you don't love them anymore, well, I refer to my previous statement: "That's life, bub."
 

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I actually just watch a majority of the new episodes of Futurama, and honestly I still love it just as much as I did years ago.

I loved to original series, In away I sort of grew up with it seeing how I watched it non-stop in my early teens. I found myself laughing just as much as I did those many years ago; they felt like they could be episodes from back in the early 2000's if not for all of the modern day parodies. Was so glad they continued it after their excellent movies.

Also, I too completely miss the family guy comparison. I use to watch that show alot too, but I think I grew out of it.
 

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I'm going through the second half of season 6, and it's pretty hard. It's still funny but, in the original 4 seasons, they tried to adhere as best they could to the laws of science (sticking to their sci fi routes). On the DVD commentaries they do point that out a few times. I just finished the episode where Bender becomes a ghost. I miss the story limits that the show placed on itself :/
 

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I haven't seen the episode so I can't judge but satire is satire. It should be remembered though that Matt is the creator but he doesn't write the show, any supposed political agenda wouldn't be his doing as such.

I don't see a problem really. You note the old-Futurama depictions of Al Gore which have never shown him as an environmental hero, they've been little more than cameos and always been for humorous hyperbole. 'I have ridden the mighty moon worm'? 'Finally I get to save the world with deadly lasers instead of deadly slide shows'? I don't see that as any more political than having Richard Nixon's head as President of Earth.

Like any show Futurama explores a number of themes but it is to entertain not to inform, not to push an agenda. People tend to get overly defensive when a show seems to take a political stance that doesn't reflect their own political views, they're generally fine with it otherwise. If you want a cartoon comedy show that has conservative leanings it seems there is a market for it. I don't know of many funny conservatives but I'm sure they're out there.

For my money I reckon Futurama is as good as it has ever been. I'll let you know if that opinion changes when I see this supposed Obama-supporting episode.
 

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Futurama is the only cartoon thatll make you cry and laugh at the same time.. 7th season seems to be lacking a bit for laughs, but its only bad lacking if you compare it to other futurama episodes, still funny, still deep, and still goddamn enjoyable
 

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Not getting the Family Guy comparison. I have enjoyed the newer series of Futurama and I think they have done a good job at recapturing the magic, something that the movies failed to do. While one or two of the newer episodes have been the on par with previous seasons. In fact I'd go as far as saying episodes like the late philip j fry, prisoner of bender and lethal inspection are up there with the best of Futurama.
 

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Futurama ended when fry fulfilled his destiny by beating the brains and possibly hooked up with leela.
THE END.
 

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CODE-D said:
Futurama ended when fry fulfilled his destiny by beating the brains and possibly hooked up with leela.
THE END.
And miss out on the greatest non-Simpsons episode of any animated series [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil's_Hands_Are_Idle_Playthings]? I think not.

I will accept The Devil's Hands as being the last episode of the series.
 

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subtlefuge said:
CODE-D said:
Futurama ended when fry fulfilled his destiny by beating the brains and possibly hooked up with leela.
THE END.
And miss out on the greatest non-Simpsons episode of any animated series [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil's_Hands_Are_Idle_Playthings]? I think not.

I will accept The Devil's Hands as being the last episode of the series.
Nevermind I thought that was the last episode of season 4....and I didnt know a lot of those eps were in season 4.

Just pretend The Why Of Fry is the last ep of season 4 and we''ll count all of season 4.
But I always thought that was the last ep before it was cancelled. It did seem to have some finality to it for me to thinj that.
 

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CODE-D said:
subtlefuge said:
CODE-D said:
Futurama ended when fry fulfilled his destiny by beating the brains and possibly hooked up with leela.
THE END.
And miss out on the greatest non-Simpsons episode of any animated series [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil's_Hands_Are_Idle_Playthings]? I think not.

I will accept The Devil's Hands as being the last episode of the series.
Nevermind I thought that was the last episode of season 4....and I didnt know a lot of those eps were in season 4.

Just pretend The Why Of Fry is the last ep of season 4 and we''ll count all of season 4.
But I always thought that was the last ep before it was cancelled. It did seem to have some finality to it for me to thinj that.
I take it you didn't like the movies?