This PS4 Keyboard And Mouse Adapts PC Controls For Console

[Strazdas]

Installing off a blu-ray disc is faster than downloading the entire game regardless of internet connection. Are you saying I could have played Batman or Witcher 3 within 2 minutes of buying it? I've always known you can record PC gameplay rather easy, the PS4 always recording meant that it is something the PS3 couldn't do (not what the PC couldn't do). Last gen was an adjusting period for consoles as they got hard drives that were standard (for the most part) so you did spend a bunch of time looking at status bars for installing/downloading. PS4 fixed all that stuff that made last-gen consoles annoying at times. I just opened Steam and it took me longer to update and shit than putting in a brand new PS4 game and playing it, plus it doesn't remember your password when you update for some reason so I failed inputting that a few times to be relieved that I put my Steam password is a wordpad file with random passwords last time that happened.

And a console is next to your TV and sound system making it much more convenient to play on a TV. Again, not that you can't do that rather easy with a PC, but very few people keep (or even want) their PC within cords reach of their TV and sound system. I very much hate playing video games at a computer desk on a monitor.

Theoretical maximum read speed of Xbox/PS4 Blu-Ray drives are 216 mb/s. In practice it is slower because this requires perfect condition and its often not. Also worth mentioning that both consoles have very slow hard drives which needs writing this.

I am currently sitting on 300 mb/s fiber optic cable. This means that assuming both methods works up to specifications, installing from internet is FASTER than from blu-ray drive. Not to mention that you actually download less because it de-compress it locally, but you have to copy everything from Blu-Ray.

So yes, you could have played faster on PC provided you have required internet connection. Granted, most people in US dont.

We were comparing PS4 with a PC, not with PS3, which is why i mentioned PC. Im aware that PS3 could not do that.

Considering that people connecting external hard drive to PS4 actually saw INCREASE in loading speeds because internal drive is that slow, it really isnt much of an improvement on hard drives.

Steam remmebers password just fine for me. Perhaps you forgot to tick the remmeber password box when logging in?

You can place your PC next to your TV and achieve the same result. Most people do not do that, because playing with monitors, mouse and keyboard is better experience to many. However there are some that set their Pcs next to TV and use them like consoles. Funny you mention sound systems, i dont even have one next to my TV, i do next to a computer though.

Once again you have given nothing that makes consoles more convenient so far.

 

[47_Ronin]

I don't really see how it's an unfair advantage to use a keyboard and mouse if that same option is available to everyone.

Yeah... at only 86.35 pounds...

I still don't believe it's cheating, unless there are specific rules banning them from the session, as there may be in tournaments.
It's not like this is going to be much of a problem anyway. How many people would be willing to drop that kind of cash on the controller? If there was a large enough market for it to be a problem then you will surely have all sorts of other companies creating cheap (but usable) rip-offs to capitalise on the masses, driving the price down to acceptable levels. Personally, I think it would be quite nice to see this become somewhat of a standard in the console market, rather than a niche, and have developers create their games knowing that some would be using this control scheme (much the same way that they develop PC games with a controller in mind these days). I would be much more tempted to buy a console if I had the option of using well implemented mouse and keyboard controls for a first person game rather than those fucking analogue sticks.

Now you just shifted the conversation. You primarily said you didn't think it unfair, which it is. The way I understand it this kind of gear has not become mainstream since Sony and Microsoft didn't really allow it, but I'm fuzzy on the details and I might be wrong there.

According to MS who tried a few games by multiplatforming PC and Xbox and mixing the player, K&M is more accurate even if your bad at it. They found that even newbies to PC gaming totally wiped the floor with Xbox veterans due to how much better mouse aiming is. Controllers require fights to be slower. Thus controller players cannot keep up. This is what lead to MS scrapping the entire idea for years.

Shadowrun was such an example, where PC Players would regularly dominate in gun-on-gun battles. Gamepad users, however, had the tendency to surpass PC players in movement and use of powers. I think this debate needs to consider the type of game you play. MS shouldn't have scraped the Idea altogether.

 

[CrystalShadow]

... The mouse I get, assuming it works, and isn't just a stupid hack, but keyboards suck. Especially if it doesn't even have any more buttons than a controller.

The keyboard part of this is dumb, because keyboards are far from optimal for gaming.
Almost all the main benefits of keyboard+mouse control in certain genres is due to the mouse. Very little of it due to the keyboard. (unless a game is trying to map 50 commands to individual buttons maybe, but even then, the standard keyboard layout is far from optimal.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

Installing off a blu-ray disc is faster than downloading the entire game regardless of internet connection. Are you saying I could have played Batman or Witcher 3 within 2 minutes of buying it? I've always known you can record PC gameplay rather easy, the PS4 always recording meant that it is something the PS3 couldn't do (not what the PC couldn't do). Last gen was an adjusting period for consoles as they got hard drives that were standard (for the most part) so you did spend a bunch of time looking at status bars for installing/downloading. PS4 fixed all that stuff that made last-gen consoles annoying at times. I just opened Steam and it took me longer to update and shit than putting in a brand new PS4 game and playing it, plus it doesn't remember your password when you update for some reason so I failed inputting that a few times to be relieved that I put my Steam password is a wordpad file with random passwords last time that happened.

And a console is next to your TV and sound system making it much more convenient to play on a TV. Again, not that you can't do that rather easy with a PC, but very few people keep (or even want) their PC within cords reach of their TV and sound system. I very much hate playing video games at a computer desk on a monitor.

Theoretical maximum read speed of Xbox/PS4 Blu-Ray drives are 216 mb/s. In practice it is slower because this requires perfect condition and its often not. Also worth mentioning that both consoles have very slow hard drives which needs writing this.

I am currently sitting on 300 mb/s fiber optic cable. This means that assuming both methods works up to specifications, installing from internet is FASTER than from blu-ray drive. Not to mention that you actually download less because it de-compress it locally, but you have to copy everything from Blu-Ray.

So yes, you could have played faster on PC provided you have required internet connection. Granted, most people in US dont.

We were comparing PS4 with a PC, not with PS3, which is why i mentioned PC. Im aware that PS3 could not do that.

Considering that people connecting external hard drive to PS4 actually saw INCREASE in loading speeds because internal drive is that slow, it really isnt much of an improvement on hard drives.

Steam remmebers password just fine for me. Perhaps you forgot to tick the remmeber password box when logging in?

You can place your PC next to your TV and achieve the same result. Most people do not do that, because playing with monitors, mouse and keyboard is better experience to many. However there are some that set their Pcs next to TV and use them like consoles. Funny you mention sound systems, i dont even have one next to my TV, i do next to a computer though.

Once again you have given nothing that makes consoles more convenient so far.

Most people don't have download speeds near blu-ray read speeds. Also, not all Steam games can be played as you download them. A max 2 minutes to play any game on PS4 beats PC, lots of games don't even need any "prep" time either. If you want faster loading, you can put a SSD in a PS4 just like you can a PC.

 

[Strazdas]

Most people don't have download speeds near blu-ray read speeds. Also, not all Steam games can be played as you download them. A max 2 minutes to play any game on PS4 beats PC, lots of games don't even need any "prep" time either. If you want faster loading, you can put a SSD in a PS4 just like you can a PC.

Fair enough, for many people downloading the game takes longer than installing from blu-ray, and for those people with absolutely no patience consoles may be more comfortable.

Funny thing, people tested SSDs in PS4, didnt improve anything. apparently the data bus bottlenecks the speeds either way.

 

[Rozalia1]

Fair enough, for many people downloading the game takes longer than installing from blu-ray, and for those people with absolutely no patience consoles may be more comfortable.

Funny thing, people tested SSDs in PS4, didnt improve anything. apparently the data bus bottlenecks the speeds either way.

Don't see why it is a matter of patience there with the PC considering your previous language used on the matter of console installs (which is overblown as always but whatever). Well obviously I do see but being nice and all that.

It has been a while since I looked at such things but I believe you are incorrect there. The SSD is an improvement but one that is too small and costly over it's competition (Hybrid). So it isn't that they don't make a difference, it is just that a Hybrid drive is a far better option if you are looking to get a new hard drive for it.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

Most people don't have download speeds near blu-ray read speeds. Also, not all Steam games can be played as you download them. A max 2 minutes to play any game on PS4 beats PC, lots of games don't even need any "prep" time either. If you want faster loading, you can put a SSD in a PS4 just like you can a PC.

Fair enough, for many people downloading the game takes longer than installing from blu-ray, and for those people with absolutely no patience consoles may be more comfortable.

Funny thing, people tested SSDs in PS4, didnt improve anything. apparently the data bus bottlenecks the speeds either way.

I did see a YouTube bloodborne video showing a SSD noticeably reducing load times.

 

[Strazdas]

I did see a YouTube bloodborne video showing a SSD noticeably reducing load times.

Perhaps thats true in bloodborne. The tests i saw were done before Bloodborne was released. maybe they have upgraded it. If thats the case then i stand corrected.

Fair enough, for many people downloading the game takes longer than installing from blu-ray, and for those people with absolutely no patience consoles may be more comfortable.

Funny thing, people tested SSDs in PS4, didnt improve anything. apparently the data bus bottlenecks the speeds either way.

Don't see why it is a matter of patience there with the PC considering your previous language used on the matter of console installs (which is overblown as always but whatever). Well obviously I do see but being nice and all that.

It has been a while since I looked at such things but I believe you are incorrect there. The SSD is an improvement but one that is too small and costly over it's competition (Hybrid). So it isn't that they don't make a difference, it is just that a Hybrid drive is a far better option if you are looking to get a new hard drive for it.

It is a matter of patience because the argument used by the other user was that if you have a bad internet connection you are going to have to wait a few minutes longer for the game to be installed and according to him that apparently was enough to make people choose console instead of PC, showing those peoples lack of patience.

To be honest i would never use a hybrid drive. They are.... unpredictable. literally. they decide on their own what they put on the solid state part and what on the disk part and that sometimes causes problems. As far as speeds go, like my response to the other poster above, if thats true then i stand corrected.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

It is a matter of patience because the argument used by the other user was that if you have a bad internet connection you are going to have to wait a few minutes longer for the game to be installed and according to him that apparently was enough to make people choose console instead of PC, showing those peoples lack of patience.

I mainly only replied to begin with because the poster I was replying to said PCs are more convenient. I doubt anyone picks console over PC due to saving seconds to a few minutes. Consoles have plenty of pros like being something you put in an entertainment center or console games not having as many issues as PC games. Another big one for me is the ability to sell my games, I can buy games on release day and really only end up paying $15-25 for a game, I don't have to wait for Steam sales. PS+ is also a pretty awesome service as well. For me, console gaming is much cheaper while being more comfortable as well.

 

[Rozalia1]

It is a matter of patience because the argument used by the other user was that if you have a bad internet connection you are going to have to wait a few minutes longer for the game to be installed and according to him that apparently was enough to make people choose console instead of PC, showing those peoples lack of patience.

To be honest i would never use a hybrid drive. They are.... unpredictable. literally. they decide on their own what they put on the solid state part and what on the disk part and that sometimes causes problems. As far as speeds go, like my response to the other poster above, if thats true then i stand corrected.

Well I ain't going to get into that with you as we'd go on forever, but googling the hard drive stuff the first links states:

The first tested boot times:

SSD boots in 19.5 seconds
Hybrid boots in 20.3 seconds
Default boots in 25.7 seconds
So with an SSD, you?ll save 6 seconds every time you boot your PS4 up. Worth the upgrade? Don?t decide just yet.

Time it takes to launch disc based game (Knack):

SSD: 34 seconds
Hybrid: 33.7 seconds
Default: 39.7 seconds
So you save another 5 seconds when you load a game (in this case, Knack) from a disc.

Time it takes to launch download based game from hard drive (Killzone):

SSD: 39 seconds
Hybrid: 42 seconds
Default: 60 seconds

The above was what I believe I went off when I got my PS4 some weeks after launch. Other sources like: http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/25/5142842/best-hard-drive-for-playstation-4-video also seem to reinforce the above.

 

[Strazdas]

The above was what I believe I went off when I got my PS4 some weeks after launch. Other sources like: http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/25/5142842/best-hard-drive-for-playstation-4-video also seem to reinforce the above.

Does not look like much, but id be far more interested in loading times inside the game. as in the loading time between the location shards in bloodborne for example. If you can shave significant time of those loading screens it has a much higher impact than the game startup.

 

[Rozalia1]

Does not look like much, but id be far more interested in loading times inside the game. as in the loading time between the location shards in bloodborne for example. If you can shave significant time of those loading screens it has a much higher impact than the game startup.

Most of the stuff tested were early games like Killzone & Resogun and their boot up times (I have both games and I think that may be because the load screens in those games are very minor). However doing a quick search

Bloodborne Loading Times Stock PS4 500GB HDD HGST 7200rpm 1TB HDD Seagate 1TB SSHD Hybrid Sandisk Extreme Pro 480GB SSD
First Floor Sickroom 36.7 31.5 32.6 26.6
Central Yharnam 41.1 35.3 33.5 29.8
Respawn at Central Yharnam 44.4 37.5 33.9 31.9
Great Bridge 35.1 30.9 28.0 26.8
Tomb of Oedon 30.0 27.8 24.8 22.7
Cathedral Ward 48.3 39.2 36.6 33.2
Old Yharnam 45.8 38.3 36.5 31.0
Respawn at Old Yharnam 53.5 44.7 39.0 36.8
Return to Hunter's Dream from Old Yharnam 12.1 11.1 10.4 9.6

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-bloodborne-performance-analysis in case the jumbled info above is hard to make out. Also I believe an update did reduce the load times across the board so those figures are likely outdated but it should illustrate the difference regardless.

 

[Strazdas]

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Jesus, 40 seconds to load a level.... I get annoyed if it gets above 4 seconds for me.....

Still it looks like a significant improvement compared to stock. Good to know. Also as expected hybrid offers very little improvement over regular HDD.