Thousands Sign StarCraft 2 Petition

Croaker42

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I spent a good part of yesterday Eating pizza drinking beer and LANing SC. It was a wonderfull experience being able to see the pain in my buddys eyes as I Dragoon swarmed his base, mind controlled a SCV and then came back few min later with a few nukes.

The point of the story is LAN is a social experience, some people just dont get that.

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Panzer_God said:
I'm the only person in my area that I know play starcraft. I personally don't care about LAN
While this is semi-true for me as well (I know a few people who play, but certainly not enough for any big LANs), it's beside the point. Ever since EA's brilliant demonstration of what happens when you get over-zealous with anti-piracy measures (some people pirated Spore, not because they didn't want to pay for it, but because the anti-piracy measures used were simply ridiculous for a paying customer to have to jump through when pirates can by-pass all that), it's been abundantly clear that one thing is true about piracy: It will always be there, no matter how strong of measures are taken.

So what happens when features are removed from games, or customers have to jump through hoops, all in the name of "preventing piracy", but the game gets pirated anyway? I'll tell you what happens: The legitimate, paying customer loses. Whether we're jumping through hoops because the company chooses not to trust us, having features removed from the game, or even limitations applied to the game, we're the ones who are suffering, not the pirates. Meanwhile, for all that effort, there's almost always a hacked version of the game available to download on release day. Sometimes sooner.

As such, I take a very solid stance against any "anti-piracy" measure taken in a video game. Because in all truth, there's no such thing as anti-piracy.
 

Broken Orange

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I have never played starcraft or any computer LAN games, but LAN parties on the xbox is a blast, every one is near your skill level (exept for the nerd who plays the game all the time... like me). so that is why I signed the petition. about time there is a petition worth signing, unlike those whiny brats who complain that "valve is screwing over l4d fans blah blah".
 

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SirSchmoopy said:
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Lan made Starcraft because the internet was 56k.

Lan is out dated and isn't needed.
Because everywhere in the world has 100% dependable, high-speed Internet, of course!

No, wait, that's not at all the case.
The countries who don't have High Speed internet don't pay for Starcraft 2.
Having high-speed internet doesn't make your connection stable or limit-free. I live in the US, and the last house I lived in had broadband internet that crapped out (either disconnect or lag) all the time like. The solution? LAN parties in my garage. At like every school break.

LAN is the reason I bought half my PC games.
 

Arcadia2000

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You know, I think we're missing an important possibility. Say Blizzard releases on time, I mean on the new time, on their own sweet time, whatever. No LAN. But...*announcement!*

Another release is planned for -time amount that's a lie and we know it- later WITH LAN. Same game, LAN for the fan. You want it that badly? You'll have to wait for it.

Would you wait? I didn't play StarCraft over LAN, I played through the campaigns and then pushed myself for harder and more fun ways to win. I could pass on the LAN. The petition in this case doesn't have to be about whether it delays the release for everyone wanting to play it now. I think it's a viable possibility and a great way for Blizzard to make some more money. NOT like they need ideas. -_-'
 

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Amnestic said:
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What is it with games an petitions these days? If you don't like the product, then feel free not to buy it, but these seem to take vendetta against the companies.
Preventing a disease is better than treating it once it erupts into pustulant boils.
as colorful as that metaphor is, how exactly does it apply to an abundance of people taking a companies decision's as a personal insult?
 

Nouw

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How will we survive without LAN?
I usually play with my friend in his house with two comps. 1 laptop and 1 computer. We use LAN because thats the only thing we can use. Damn You Blizzard. Wait I already hate them.
Im signing.
 

SirSchmoopy

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G-Mang said:
Having high-speed internet doesn't make your connection stable or limit-free.
Moot point. You and everyone at the lan party would have the same lag and connection anyway. Can anyone here HONESTLY tell me they have been to a lan party where someone at this lan party didn't borrow a copy of the game, install it and play?

Battle Net will come and it will come with a 15 dollar subscription fee and you can tell yourselves "Oh I won't pay for that" but it will just be you who will be missing out.

Lan parties will still happen and they will still play sc2. They might want to change the name from Lan parties to RL parties though.
 

Lordpils

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Yes, we're so upset about the lack of LAN play, but we're not even the slightest bit pissed about the game being released in three parts, one for protoss, one for zerg and one for terran.
 

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Yes, we're so upset about the lack of LAN play, but we're not even the slightest bit pissed about the game being released in three parts, one for protoss, one for zerg and one for terran.
Activision infected Blizzard with a case of UDDER STUPIDITY. It's the only way they could be so uncool.
 

G-Mang

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SirSchmoopy said:
G-Mang said:
Having high-speed internet doesn't make your connection stable or limit-free.
Moot point. You and everyone at the lan party would have the same lag and connection anyway.
I'm kind've surprised you're serious (assuming you are). Have you ever played SC or WC3 on a bottlenecked home internet connection compared to LAN? Even if everyone lags "together", that doesn't make it fun. If everyone lags, people will just be less inclined to play, and if everyone disconnects (repeatedly), it's gonna ruin the game.

Can anyone here HONESTLY tell me they have been to a lan party where someone at this lan party didn't borrow a copy of the game, install it and play?
Starcraft let you do a "Spawn" install on multiple machines that gave access to LAN multiplayer without buying a full CD. Legally, added by Blizzard.

And as for when that happens with other games, that has to do with what, exactly? If LAN gets most of the people to buy a game, one or two people pirating it doesn't change anything for the developer. Clearly the person is installing it for the LAN party and wouldn't've been a paying customer anyways as they clearly don't care about keeping the game updated and online for non-LAN play, and those people who DID buy the game after being exposed to it at LAN were just added business.

And to be honest, if SC2 requires online play and comes with no spawn mode, those few people who weren't big enough RTS/SC fans to buy the game before probably just wouldn't want to play at all, and we'd probably end up playing DotA or CS. :/


Oh, and if SC2 has subscription fees for BNET even after forcing us to use it instead of LAN, all of my friends would definitely either use a private BNET alternative or pirate it. If Blizzard thinks that server maintenance and updates justify monthly fees (particularly for a non-mmo) then they need to watch any of the business lectures by ArenaNet or Valve.
 

nova18

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DRM and a lack of LAN makes me VERY angry.
I'm gonna sign.

I think the main argument on this topic is due to different gaming styles.
A lot of us enjoy LAN games more than online, cause you can put a face to the enemy, you can insult them and see their reaction and it also takes away a lot of problems that occur online.

However, some people are willing to just play online.

To each their own.

But Blizzard should be listening to their consumer base on a high profile game like this. Starcraft is not the kind of game that casual gamers look for, the sales are going to be coming from fans of the original, the same fans who care enough to petition for the LAN capabilities that allowed them to enjoy the first game.
 

SirSchmoopy

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G-Mang said:
I'm kind've surprised you're serious (assuming you are). Have you ever played SC or WC3 on a bottlenecked home internet connection compared to LAN? Even if everyone lags "together", that doesn't make it fun.
Yet again. Moot point.

Your talking about games that were DESIGNED to be played over a 56k internet connection. Play Age of Empires 3 or Red alert 3? Lag is a none factor in online play if your ping is under 150 which it should be on broadband internet.

If they were releasing Star Craft 1 without Lan, I would understand you and everyones arguments about Lan but again this is the future and it is not necessary. Anytime I had a lan party and played age2/3, battlefield, DOTA, everyone there had an internet connection and man thinking back I can't remember not having an internet connection at a lan party. It's obvious this is a business discussion because they want Battle net to be the be all end all for your gaming in D3/SC2 or whatever else they release in the future but that doesn't really mean Lan isn't out dated. They want it so when you play SC, it records your games, your stats, unlocks achievements, uploads data they want everything to happen online so they have a much rebust system.

Go ahead and say you don't care about all that but you are then just becoming a dieing breed of gamer because the new kids, the us when SC first came out and I was uhh 14? Those kids won't care about Lan and they are the markets of tomorrow anyway.

Adapt to change and then if the system is so terrible it makes the game unplayable then we can start complaining it's because Lan is missing.
 

Motiv_

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Sorry, not interested. Perhaps include it in a future update or patch, but for the love of god do not delay it again.
 

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Which still doesn't change my point.

You are entirely autonomous from me, doesn't change the fact that I am motivating your actions right now.
Yes it does change the point. If Activision has zero control over the decisions made by Blizzard then that means Blizzard's entire plan regarding SCII being split up into 3 parts and the removal of LAN was a decision that rests solely with them. To say that they were coerced or influenced or forced into these decisions is naive.

And I don't even like Activision all that much, they're far and away from their best days, but that doesn't mean I'm just going to go "oh well this is hardly Blizzard's problem, mean ol' Bobby Kotick is telling them to mistreat customers"
So basically I made the point that someone that doesn't have any legal control over you can still make you do what they want was wrong.

Yet twice now I wanted you to respond to my messages and you have. Each time you didn't even have a monetary amount to gain, you just did it, because I gave you a message and you ate it up.

But I suppose we as giving people that work at companies some sort of immunity over the natural human response. "No no you see anyone who works at a company is impervious to all forms of persuasion outside of monetary and legal ones. Unlike the other 99.99% of the human population."

I'm not saying it wasn't Blizzards fault, nor do I care, I'm just saying that you aren't making a very good example by doing exactly what I said is possible. As I stated originally, Girl A is your lover and she bangs you endlessly, she starts hanging out with Girl B who has absolutely no legal or financial control, suddenly Girl A isn't banging you all that much anymore.

So do you assume that Girl A is acting entirely autonomously and has in no way been influenced by Girl B. Or do you like any other rational human being assume that there has been some sort of influence.

Because if you think that the results to the same experiment over and over changing suddenly doesn't generally mean there is an extra variable we might be arguing into an endless loop. But I doubt you are an idiot so I'll just assume you are missing me very simple point.

To be fair to Blizzard their only mistake was announcing what they are doing. They should have known that "Give me it All for Nothing" Customers would have come out of the woodworks. I mean personally I won't even touch it till it becomes a Battle Chest but that has always been my strategy.

I just find it odd that people say "Give me X content all in one game for one price." When absolutely nobody in this entire forum, or on the entirety of the internet, knows just what X entails entirely. Maybe I've just been a fan of not trying to have the intangible tangible as much as the next person.

Enai Siaion said:
All that complaining for a game that's the exact same thing as Starcraft 1, only in 3D.
Just like every other game ever made in any genre was just the exact same thing except for small tweaks. Oh noes...there be a hole in that ship the SS Logic.

Try not to abuse the word "Exact". In Genetics much of the DNA between two seemingly worlds apart mammals can be exact, yet you'd never know it by the little changes in what is different. I'm sure that Starcraft 2 will play different, will have a different storyline, different voiceovers, different SFX, different levels, new units, different balancing on old units, different/additional heroes, and different level editor.

I won't argue that the name is exactly the same except they are adding a II and possible some subtext to it.

Sure we can all hold hands and say that all the things I mentioned are small differences, but that's all any entertainment medium (or shit biological change) is. A seemingly endless series of small advances that to the nostalgic person look like huge jumps.
 

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I'm waiting for more info from Blizzard. Wait, I don't care about LAN, I don't plan to drive my box all the way across town when I can just play over Bnet and talk over voip, phew, LAN is redundant this day and age.
You're being a bit selfish, don't you think? Not EVERYONE has a 1000000 TB/s internet connection, or indeed any internet at all. Some rely on LAN to play games. It bugs me that people tend to completely forget that.

The funny thing is, I don't even care about Star Craft 2 and yet I'm still defending it's LAN.
 

GrinningManiac

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Never played Starcraft
Never will play SC2
Don't care for LAN

I signed anyway, it's good to take part in the revolution

Good luck, gentlemen