To all members of the Escapist: Please help us improve this site

Inverse Skies

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The following is a plea to all members of the Escapist who wish to see it stay one of the best places on the internet.

We all enjoy posting on this website, that's why we're here and why we come here so often. The sense of community is fantastic and the people here great. It's why we enjoy commenting on so many different topics and put so much effort into this site.

But: Recently the attitudes shown by some people on this site have changed. As a community, we've been showing more hostility towards new members who make mistakes such as repeat threads or hit enter too early resulting in (no text), resulting in a more negative feeling around the site as a whole.

I posted my concerns in another thread, the link to which is this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.93856?page=1] if anyone is interested. The feedback, especially from the more experienced members of the community, was overwhelmingly in consensus of the view that we were becoming harsher as a community and had been slowly going downhill. Many also wished that something could be done about it, but talking about it is no good if there is no action taken.

Hence this thread; This thread throws open the floor to you, my fellow members of the Escapist community to discuss how we can better ourselves as a community. The ultimate idea would be to produce a set of community guidelines, similar to those in place by the moderators (available here [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.84120]) but ones that are community enforced, for indiscretions that are non-punishable by the moderators but still detract from the community as a whole.

Examples of such indiscretions could include the aforementioned hostility towards mistakes, repeated use of poor grammar (such as paragraphing, capitalisation etc) and spamming too many threads in too short a timeframe. However, as a community people would be able to show lots more points that are non-punishable by moderators but still detrimental to the community as a whole.

In replying to this post, please consider the following ideas;

1 WHAT actions do you believe have a detrimental effect on the community yet cannot be overseen by moderators?

2 HOW, as a community, would we go about responding to such indiscretions? How should we act when someone does not do something in the spirit of the Escapist community?

3 ARE there any other points you would care the mention on this topic?

If this thread gains enough support, from the community and moderators alike the goal would be to set up a committee to decide which actions should be frowned upon as a community and how we would go about enforcing those rules. The committee members are at the moment undecided, but would most likely be made up of senior members and/or those who volunteer their time and services to improving the Escapist as a whole.

Remember; this thread is about improving the online community we all enjoy so we can continue to enjoy it and enforce our own set of moral guidelines for all to abide by.

Please, help us improve this fantastic website so we can all continue to enjoy it as we have been.
 

Mr.Pandah

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I could have sworn there was a suggestion thread somewhere around here...

Edit: After having more time to read your post and actually think about it, here are my thoughts:

I'm in agreeance with letting newcomers slide a bit on the whole "repeat threads and overall not knowing forum guidelines" thing. Its a pretty different community we have here on the Escapist, but the last thing we want to do is alienate people by just simply banning them/putting them down with some comments about their spelling/grammar/face.

There are always others who just want to be jerks though and will troll, we just have to learn to weed out those ones better though.

As for other things that will improve the site...I guess there could be an actual "delete" button for your posts, instead of editing out a post. That is really all I've got as far as improving the site goes at the moment.
 

black lincon

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1. It's what you said, negativity towards new members, now I'm in the opinion that repeat threads aren't the worst things ever. I draw the line at one repeat thread ever few days and only if the the thread for hasn't been on the front page in those days. Sooner than that and it gets a little ridiculous.

2. that's a harder question to answer, seeing as how I'm going against hostility. I might suggest saying something like, "yellow card" with a like to the user generated guidelines, showing them things like what they are doing are frowned upon.

3. not really, You covered the bases quite nicely.
 

Simriel

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Less platform fanboyism. Every person has an opinion on what THEY want to play games on. Respect it.
 

Mr.Pandah

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MercurySteam said:
Hmm. How about The Escapist having an actual magazine? Maybe? No?
As in a actual, material magazine? That wouldn't work. This site gets users from all over the world. And besides...this site is a magazine, in case you didn't realize.
 

gmer412

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Simriel said:
Less platform fanboyism. Every person has an opinion on what THEY want to play games on. Respect it.
That's a problem everywhere, and it's actually less here.

Mr.Pandah said:
I could have sworn there was a suggestion thread somewhere around here...

Edit: After having more time to read your post and actually think about it, here are my thoughts:

I'm in agreeance with letting newcomers slide a bit on the whole "repeat threads and overall not knowing forum guidelines" thing. Its a pretty different community we have here on the Escapist, but the last thing we want to do is alienate people by just simply banning them/putting them down with some comments about their spelling/grammar/face.

There are always others who just want to be jerks though and will troll, we just have to learn to weed out those ones better though.

As for other things that will improve the site...I guess there could be an actual "delete" button for your posts, instead of editing out a post. That is really all I've got as far as improving the site goes at the moment.
Agreed. A delete post function would be fantastic.
 

Citrus

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I only have two major quirps with this site.

1. Restrict the "use proper spelling and grammar please" posts. It's like a bloody epidemic here, seriously. Some people enter a thread, tell the OP to improve his/her grammar, and don't contribute anything at all to the discussion. Sometimes it's warranted, but still, it would be nice if some of the people here could get over themselves and their writing ability and realize that not everyone knows or cares enough to use perfect spelling and grammar when they speak. You're a better writer than the OP; thank you, we get it, now shut the fuck up.

2. If the mods could say why they're locking a thread before they lock it, that would be swell. I haven't been here long, but there've already been way too many instances where I saw a locked thread and had no idea what was wrong with it. How can a user learn from his mistakes if he doesn't know what he did wrong?
 

gmer412

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TheNecroswanson said:
gmer412 said:
Simriel said:
Less platform fanboyism. Every person has an opinion on what THEY want to play games on. Respect it.
That's a problem everywhere, and it's actually less here.

Mr.Pandah said:
I could have sworn there was a suggestion thread somewhere around here...

Edit: After having more time to read your post and actually think about it, here are my thoughts:

I'm in agreeance with letting newcomers slide a bit on the whole "repeat threads and overall not knowing forum guidelines" thing. Its a pretty different community we have here on the Escapist, but the last thing we want to do is alienate people by just simply banning them/putting them down with some comments about their spelling/grammar/face.

There are always others who just want to be jerks though and will troll, we just have to learn to weed out those ones better though.

As for other things that will improve the site...I guess there could be an actual "delete" button for your posts, instead of editing out a post. That is really all I've got as far as improving the site goes at the moment.
Agreed. A delete post function would be fantastic.
No, it wouldn't. The mods have already addressed how easily it would be abused. I've even seen deleting post functions being abused.
How about this: If it seems like a bad idea, don't post it. Then we wouldn't NEED a gods damned delete post button.
I was thinking of using it to delete double posts. If we can restrict it to only be allowed for repeats... maybe?
 

DirkGently

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I'm fairly certain there is a staff-run thread about this topic somewhere. I know I've posted in it. Look in my post history. There is also the Forum guidelines thread that functions for suggestions. I don't know about the Offtopic forum, but it does in gaming discussion.
 

kommando367

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I think the recent hostilities had something to the recent 4chan "annoy-off", witch i had nothing to do with, by the way.
 

Spartan Bannana

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MercurySteam said:
Hmm. How about The Escapist having an actual magazine? Maybe? No?
First off, that has nothing to do with the community, what this discussion is all about.
Second, we do have a magazine, there are links to articles on the front page.
1. WHAT actions do you believe have a detrimental effect on the community yet cannot be overseen by moderators?
Unlike everyone else, I will not state that being pissed about repeat threads and grammar Nazis are detrimental to our community. These things are necessary to keep the community's quality. I am however willing to lower my standards in terms of grammar and spelling, it is my opinion that as long as something is readable and understandable, it is adequate. What IS detrimental however, is the new crop of member's lack of respect for the old members. I tried politely teaching them for 2 months, only to be met with flurries of profanity and insults including being told on several occasions to suck a cock and die if I had a problem with them.

2. HOW, as a community, would we go about responding to such indiscretions? How should we act when someone does not do something in the spirit of the Escapist community?
To fix said problems, the rest of the community has to stop accepting the new members for what they are and teach them our ways, even if it means telling them to use the search button on repeat threads, etc. As I said, new members who refuse to read the guidelines or at least listen to US should be harshly instructed to do so.

3. ARE there any other points you would care the mention on this topic?
Yes. New members: Please, please, please respect the older members, every suggestion we make is not an insult, and so don't shout profane suggestions at us when we were just trying to help.
Then again, trying to help must fall to someone else's hands, I've been worn down with the disrespect.
 

Mr.Pandah

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Richard Groovy Pants said:
I don't feel like I'm one of those people, but I do share this sentiment.
I've been posting less and less for the past few months. Things are getting bad. I'm losing interest in the site, everyday you see repeated threads and pointless repeated arguments that have been debated over and over again.
I don't see repeat threads/debates as a reason to think things are getting bad...There are really only so many conversations you can have about things going on now/in the past/in the possible future. I see that as an empty gripe.

And as for the delete button...Its the same thing as Editing out your post, but without the hassle. I'm missing how it could be abused.
 

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Citrus Insanity said:
How can a user learn from his mistakes if he doesn't know what he did wrong?
Users are PM'd with a reason for bans, probs and sometimes locks if the reason is unclear.