Yeah, some in game representations could of course be fine, comfortable, with it not being a giant issue, necessitating a lot of time focus or sex scenes. Don't have to do the old, may not be gay, maybe, leaning, SEX!
That proves nothing. One: Homosexuals having liaisons and even getting married to heterosexuals is hardly unheard of. Two, that doesn't preclude her being bisexual. Three, she kissed a guy -on the cheek-. That means exactly nothing.Forlong said:Incorrect. Lara went on dates with guys and even kissed a guy (that's just this one game). Not behavior consistent with homosexuality. She is confirmed as heterosexual. No. The claim has no legs to stand on.PrinceOfShapeir said:I'm not saying she is a Lesbian. I'm saying it wouldn't be a violation of what we've already seen if she was.
Imagine if when Alex was about to die and asked for a kiss, then Lara went: "Oh, I sorry not into men."PrinceOfShapeir said:That proves nothing. One: Homosexuals having liaisons and even getting married to heterosexuals is hardly unheard of. Two, that doesn't preclude her being bisexual. Three, she kissed a guy -on the cheek-. That means exactly nothing.Forlong said:Incorrect. Lara went on dates with guys and even kissed a guy (that's just this one game). Not behavior consistent with homosexuality. She is confirmed as heterosexual. No. The claim has no legs to stand on.PrinceOfShapeir said:I'm not saying she is a Lesbian. I'm saying it wouldn't be a violation of what we've already seen if she was.
Not me. The WRITER of the latest game merely considered the possibility. But you seem to be ruling out not jsut the possibility, but of even considering the possibility.Forlong said:The claim is based on no evidence whatsoever. You just said she's gay because it sounds cool to you. She shows no signs of being gay.Treblaine said:We accept so many other things about Lara Lara that are rare and exceptional but suddenly when it comes to her sexuality she HAS to be "normal"
Homosexuals tend to be uncomfortable with the opposite sex. This is because, lacking attraction to them, they don't know how to react. Most grow out of this, like most people do. Lara, however, is still rather young and not awkward at all around men. Since Sam implies she's rather antisocial, it is highly unlikely she matured quicker in this regard.
Homosexuals tend to rebel against authority because of authoritative crushing of their sexuality. Lara shows nothing but love and respect for those with authority over her.
Lesbians specifically do not flaunt around. Flaunting attracts male attention, which they do not want. While Lara's outfit is more conservative than before, it still attracts male attention.
All the evidence says "straight straight straight". So what? It's not like homosexuals already get more fictional representations than exist in real life. Not like her being straight in cannon is going to ruin your Lara/Sam slashfic.
How are tendencies relevant to Lara who is a character of exceptional confidence, drive and composure.Homosexuals tend to be uncomfortable with the opposite sex.
That's ridiculous, you don't need to be attracted to them to "know how" to react. And what's to know? I don't need to be attracted to gay men to "know how" to react to them... obviously, like any other person.This is because, lacking attraction to them, they don't know how to react.
It's established in the first game she rebelled against her parents plans for an arranged marriage. She is totally estranged from them.Homosexuals tend to rebel against authority because of authoritative crushing of their sexuality.
Lara doesn't flaunt around. And what makes you qualified to speak for all lesbians that they "specifically" do or don't do?!?! How are lesbians "specified" in this way?Lesbians specifically do not flaunt around.
It's like you are doing an impression of the most incompetent lawyer in the world in the most ridiculous trial.All the evidence says "straight straight straight".
What makes me think Sam can speak for Lara? Well the fact that they are best friends. Im sure your best friends know what you would say or think of in most situations. But since you want to go on about this lets look at it closer.Treblaine said:What makes you think Sam can speak for Lara?IamGamer41 said:Perhaps you need to replay the game and listen to what Sam said. She said her or Lara didn't expect them to run into so many cute guys. That imply they both like guys.
Yes, and it's entirely possible that a human being from earth might be gay.Forlong said:Lara isn't a mythical creature. She is a human being from an Earth similar to our own. She is from a culture similar to that of modern Europe, where homosexuality is rare.Treblaine said:This isn't about likelihood in a game series with magically resurrected dinosaurs, fire breathing dragons, Atlantis mutant creatures and evil Egyptian gods trying to take over the world.
We accept so many other things about Lara Lara that are rare and exceptional but suddenly when it comes to her sexuality she HAS to be "normal"
Yeah, that's because I played the games... didn't just listen to the sexist jokes about Lara. You really do seem to act like the mean things said about Lara are more important than the way she was actually depicted in games.I say old chap said:It seems you missed the social phenomenon of her being a massive-breasted sex object.
You're putting words in my mouth. I'm not saying she is, I'm saying that Rhianna Pratchett isn't committing some grave offense by considering it, and that it wouldn't actually be a big deal if it was. I don't give a damn either way. That said, your supposed evidence is flimsy to the extreme anyway.Forlong said:That is hilarious! I provide the obvious evidence that she's straight and you say its meaningless just because it is. You have NO REASON for believing that she's gay beyond wanting to imagine a steaming Lara/Sam moment. The evidence says that she's straight and you say "no, she's not just in the minority of being gay, but one of the gays that does go on dates with hetersexuals". You're claiming that it is more reasonable to believe she's in the minority of a minority than just in the majority she is clearly in.PrinceOfShapeir said:That proves nothing. One: Homosexuals having liaisons and even getting married to heterosexuals is hardly unheard of. Two, that doesn't preclude her being bisexual. Three, she kissed a guy -on the cheek-. That means exactly nothing.Forlong said:Incorrect. Lara went on dates with guys and even kissed a guy (that's just this one game). Not behavior consistent with homosexuality. She is confirmed as heterosexual. No. The claim has no legs to stand on.PrinceOfShapeir said:I'm not saying she is a Lesbian. I'm saying it wouldn't be a violation of what we've already seen if she was.
Lara is into dudes. Get over it.
Sorry to say but I think you're alone on that one. There was plenty of heterosexual love in Mass Effect, Dues Ex HR, Far Cry 3, Skyrim, Gears of War, Assassin's Creed and the Walking Dead. Being heterosexual isn't becoming unpopular because one author toyed with the idea of making one character gay.Antigonius said:*sigh* An I the only one feeling that heterosexuality is becoming unpopular? And our next generation we will have to make only love with our gender, or else your some kind of a weirdo?
I discovered I didn't know a lot of things about my best friends... and they don't know a lot about me.IamGamer41 said:What makes me think Sam can speak for Lara? Well the fact that they are best friends. Im sure your best friends know what you would say or think of in most situations. But since you want to go on about this lets look at it closer.
You are so clueless... it's like you've only ever seen the crudest stereotypes of homosexuality on low-rate TV shows.What Sam said implied Lara was surprised to see so many cute guys. Thus meaning Lara had some kinda interest in that happening. So one could surmise that Lara liked cute guys which means she isn't gay. Bi maybe and Im sure that would make everyone happy.
Stop saying that as if it would somehow jeopardise how beloved she was, and stop acting like this is just to please a minority. It is the loud and bitter minority who is the only ones objecting to this.Like I said before they do not need to reconn beloved characters into things just to please some minority.
Treblaine said:I discovered I didn't know a lot of things about my best friends... and they don't know a lot about me.IamGamer41 said:What makes me think Sam can speak for Lara? Well the fact that they are best friends. Im sure your best friends know what you would say or think of in most situations. But since you want to go on about this lets look at it closer.
It's not a rule that people MUST come out to their BFF's. It cam be the most difficult thing in the world to come out on something like that as they worry how it may jeopardise their freindship... or even possible intimate relationship. In a nutshell: IT'S COMPLICATED!
You are so clueless... it's like you've only ever seen the crudest stereotypes of homosexuality on low-rate TV shows.What Sam said implied Lara was surprised to see so many cute guys. Thus meaning Lara had some kinda interest in that happening. So one could surmise that Lara liked cute guys which means she isn't gay. Bi maybe and Im sure that would make everyone happy.
Just... admit you have no clue. It's like trying to tell me that Venus Fly Trap plants are in fact animals, just because they can move and eat other animals.
Stop saying that as if it would somehow jeopardise how beloved she was, and stop acting like this is just to please a minority. It is the loud and bitter minority who is the only ones objecting to this.Like I said before they do not need to reconn beloved characters into things just to please some minority.
Oh, and you have not responded to 80-90% of the post you quoted... what the hell.
LifeCharacter said:I'm kind of envious that you and your best friend know each other to the extent that both of you are able to predict with certainty what the other would think or do in the majority of situations. Must be kind of boring though, considering almost everything the other does is that predictable.IamGamer41 said:What makes me think Sam can speak for Lara? Well the fact that they are best friends. Im sure your best friends know what you would say or think of in most situations. But since you want to go on about this lets look at it closer.
Does anyone have the exact line so we can actually examine it and its implications? I don't want to doubt everyone else's interpretations of what the journal said, but it'd be easier to evaluate it if someone would actually quote it instead of allude to it.What Sam said implied Lara was surprised to see so many cute guys. Thus meaning Lara had some kinda interest in that happening. So one could surmise that Lara liked cute guys which means she isn't gay. Bi maybe and Im sure that would make everyone happy.
That said, even if it said that they were both surprised by all the cute guys, that doesn't really exclude her homosexuality; she could have just went along with Sam because she didn't want to ruin her fun, or she played along because she's in the closet. Either way, hanging out with cute guys doesn't make it impossible for one to be homosexual.
They've already rebooted the franchise and, I assume, retconned some details about her life to do nothing but fit it into the story, so why not alter something that won't have any massive impact on the game to please some minority? Her being gay doesn't harm the game in any way; it's not like it'd suddenly have sex scenes or Lara constantly talking about how gay she is, and pleasing an underrepresented minority by showing them that the writers are aware that homosexuals aren't some alien thing is a plus.Like I said before they do not need to reconn beloved characters into things just to please some minority.
So the only harm I really see is it pissing off homophobes and people really entrenched in their Tomb Raider fanfiction/fantasies; which I'm really okay with because the former don't deserve respect and the latter should just be ignored.