Transgendered Woman Beat Up In McDonald's; Employees Do Nothing
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first F*** your job you are human before you are an employee
it's your responsibility as a human to stop human on human violence
enough with the joke
the moral high ground is for those who step in and help even at the expense of their own safety or life
if you value your job over someone else's safety i'll keep that in mind if i ever wee you in trouble
and personally it's a chance to beat the life or stupidity out of an idiot if i end up near this situation even if i have to die trying or massacre a bunch of similar grouped people (interpret how you wish)
it's your responsibility as a human to stop human on human violence
enough with the joke
the moral high ground is for those who step in and help even at the expense of their own safety or life
if you value your job over someone else's safety i'll keep that in mind if i ever wee you in trouble
and personally it's a chance to beat the life or stupidity out of an idiot if i end up near this situation even if i have to die trying or massacre a bunch of similar grouped people (interpret how you wish)
Also this.Kenko said:I dont think it was the whole inaction part tbh, he did record the event on his cellphone instead of calling the policeRobot Overlord said:
But yeah people can'take the law into their own hands wich is why people usually dont do anything in fear of reprisals from the court later on.
If you do get in a fight with somebody who intiated an attack against somebody else, it's still hard for the cops and the courts to figure out just who started what. Hell, even eye witnesses rarely get anything right.
They attacked the woman because she used the womans bathroom. Specifically they attacked her because she's a transsexual who used the womans bathroom. They attacked her based solely on her sexual identity, this is the very legal definition of a hate crime.DaphneRose said:
The term hate crime is a legal term. Yes most crimes are act of hate, but the term "Hate Crime" has very specific legal meaning. It refers to a crime commuted against some body based on prejudices against there identity, be it sexual orientation, sexual identity, race, gender, or religion. As I said in a previous post, this is the very legal definition of a hate crime.tofulove said:
That its pretty pathetic a former guy couldn't defend himself from a bunch of teenage girls...AverageJoe said:
I'm kinda surprised there is so many people who would do nothing and let this kind of thing happen.
Shit, if I worked at McDonald's that's even more reason to step up. You get fired and go work at Burger King down the road or go for your guard card and be security.
Shit, if I worked at McDonald's that's even more reason to step up. You get fired and go work at Burger King down the road or go for your guard card and be security.
You are incorrect; It's a girl that got beat up by a bunch of teenage girls. It's considered felony assault, and she was pretty heavily thrashed, and blind sided a few times.DefinitelyPsychotic said:
The guy who recorded it could have used it for evidence in court. Also, stepping into the middle of a fight puts you in danger, so you can't really blame people for not stepping in. Finally, this is not a matter of a 'spectator society.' Fights happened more often back in the day without interference from people or the law. Also, I don't think they would have killed the transvestite... I mean would they really be stupid enough to do that in broad daylight?
You're telling a transgender woman (me) that I'm not a woman. You know nothing of trans issues. I can suggest some resources if you'd like to become educated on the topic.DefinitelyPsychotic said:
And you have absolutely no idea about transgendered people and should probably know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.DefinitelyPsychotic said:
Ontopic, I'm just disgusted at McDonald's for saying that employees aren't allowed to step into something like that. That's bullshit.
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Namely for people desperate for the money. They step in they lose their jobs, looks like them and their family isn't going to be eating for a while.
Get another job you say? When the interviewer asks why you were fired and you answer with this all they hear will be "Blah blah blah, I broke company policy"
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You people all realise that we have minimum wage jobs for a reason?Derek Westlund said:
Namely for people desperate for the money. They step in they lose their jobs, looks like them and their family isn't going to be eating for a while.
Get another job you say? When the interviewer asks why you were fired and you answer with this all they hear will be "Blah blah blah, I broke company policy"
DaphneRose said:
We're becoming spectators because we get sued for the good deeds we carry out.
Like the man who got sued for rescuing his carpool mate from a wrecked car, because she became paralyzed after.
Just saying.
That apparently girls don't have fists or feet or knees.AverageJoe said:
I may not know much about the food serving industry, but when I go a fast food place - especially if it's a McDonald's - I expect whoever's in charge there to handle situations like this. The people who work there represent that establishment and if they just stand there and do nothing while a customer is being physically assaulted that should be a reason to get fired, not the other way around.
Although I'll agree the employee's weren't obligated by employment to help, and they're not Batman, I know, that's still pretty fucking awful to just do nothing while someone is being wailed on like that. I'm a tiny gal myself, but I've intervened on friends' behalf multiple times, not because I got paid to, but because I'm a fucking human being and I give a damn about others around me, TG or not.
Worse still, the 'that's not a woman...' commentary was somewhere just South of repulsive. As if that made two hills of crap difference to anyone with some degree of conscience what bits were between a persons legs when they're getting their ass kicked by a couple of jagoffs ... UGH!! The more I see this kind of garbage the more I'm fortifying my plans to move... Jeezus...
Worse still, the 'that's not a woman...' commentary was somewhere just South of repulsive. As if that made two hills of crap difference to anyone with some degree of conscience what bits were between a persons legs when they're getting their ass kicked by a couple of jagoffs ... UGH!! The more I see this kind of garbage the more I'm fortifying my plans to move... Jeezus...
Not true. While most crimes are not motivated by love, we can make a distinction when a crime is clearly intended to intimidate a hated group. In other words, there's beating someone, and then there's beating someone to show the world how you hate a group you recognize them from. Any democracy has an interest in protecting their minorities. Distinguishing crimes committed with the intent to intimidate people from appearing as minorities helps to create a society where you can be weird, strange or unusual without feeling you need to conform to survive.Cowabungaa said:
It's true we don't know if this crime was motivated by a hatred of transgendered people. Perhaps the only person present who hates them was that employee who said, "You do know that's not a woman." Who deserves a vicious beating? Was anyone else dissuaded from intervening due to the idea that the victim wasn't a genuine woman? Did it make no difference to the thugs who beat her so violently after their boyfriend had flirted with her that she appeared transgender? We don't need an explicit admission of hate from the assailants to be able to conclude that the assailants reacted more violently toward the girl because of her transgender identity.
I've heard that employers in the service industry discourage their employees from responding directly in violent situations, but usually the point is to avoid asking people to defend company resources with their lives rather than halting acts of conscience. People who depend on a job at McDonalds may be desperate indeed, but I hope people will remember that we are not owned by our employers. We still have lives that go on beyond our jobs. Just for people to believe that these McDonalds employees were motivated by keeping their jobs first demonstrates a distressing level of obedience in today's culture.
Remember that people become capable of greater evil when they believe they are not responsible for their actions; conversely, that we enable evil while we believe we are obliged to not to act.