Trump bans Alipay and seven other Chinese apps
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Trump bans Alipay and seven other Chinese apps
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Oracle is (did?) buy the america version and so it'll keep running. Oracle boss is a Trump cheerleader so it's very possible that this was politically motivated.
I struggle to object to banning Chinese firms.
They don't allow our companies anything like a level playing field in their country, I see no great reason to give their companies a level playing field in ours.
They don't allow our companies anything like a level playing field in their country, I see no great reason to give their companies a level playing field in ours.
I struggle to object to banning anything related to China. They are a modern successful version of a Nazi Germany. They need to be dealt with sooner or later.
Coincidently the EU just has agreed with China on that matter. So in the future, China will lower those barriers for EU companies. Of course not for British or US ones.
I don't believe it's ratified yet, and there's some doubt whether it will be.
That said, I think the EU is in a different position from the USA on China. China isn't really a geopolitical opponent of the EU in the same way it is of the USA - there's competition, but China poses the EU nothing like the same potential threat that it poses the USA, basically because there's much less crossover of their areas of influence.
Yes, it is not yet ratifiefd but i think it will be.
And you are true about the EU position. The EU has little reason to be hostile to China and thus far cooperation worked reasonably well.
But what about Britain ? Do you think it should really follow the US in this matter ? Is it about Hong Kong or are there other strategic interest conflicts between Britain and China ?
And you are true about the EU position. The EU has little reason to be hostile to China and thus far cooperation worked reasonably well.
But what about Britain ? Do you think it should really follow the US in this matter ? Is it about Hong Kong or are there other strategic interest conflicts between Britain and China ?
It's likely in part Hong Kong in another part that the UK would like some manufacturing back. Also the UK is still pissed at China for flooding the steel market years ago and for the weird stuff that's been going on with the car market as the UK had some car manufacturers expand to China due to huge demand then suddenly it fell off a cliff somewhat tanking the industry quite a bit and there was suspicion the CCP were somehow involved or had been pushing up demand then cut it when production was at a peak amount.
No they fucking aren't. Well, not the government, which is where it matters. The British government couldn't give a monkeys about the British steel industry, otherwise they wouldn't have so thoroughly assisted its decline, then gimped their own ability to protect it, Brexited it into greater economic turmoil, nor would they have permitted the extended rescue wrangles to stagger on so long.
Just so we're clear here, the UK barely produces steel, really - it's all but died, along with so much else of its manufacturing under the less-than-tender ministrations of the Tories. The UK produces only marginally more steel than the Netherlands, which has a quarter of the UK's population. It produces less steel than Belgium, a country with a sixth of the population. It produces half as much steel as France, a third as much as Italy, A fifth as much as Germany. Basically, the only countries that produce less steel per head population in Europe are places where heavy industry never really took off, like Ireland and Portugal.
The Tories are a bunch of toffs beholden to the finance industry. They killed the manufacturing jobs of northern and midlands English in favour of the City of London from the 1980s, and then claimed their votes with appeals to crass jingosim. It is almost literally bread and circuses, except with less bread because they slashed all the welfare, too.
The only reason the UK government has got twitchy about China is because they wanted to suck up to Trump, because US trade is more valuable. The UK has been wooing China (far more than the EU has) for decades: just 5-10 years back, David Cameron was promising the UK would be China's flagbearer in Europe, basically begging China for investment and offering up our nation's peachy backside to whatever China wanted to insert into it. If Biden fixes up US-China relations, they'll go right back to being Xi Jinping's bestest ever European mates, just so long as it ensures yuan flow into through the accounts of UK banks. Fuck, they'll just sell the British steel industry to China - and the railways, and the nuclear power stations, etc.
And if it's ratified, do you think China will actually respect the rules it signed onto?
