Trump Campaign Disproportionately Encouraged Black Americans Not to Vote in 2016

What would you do if Press showed up and informed you that you were targeted for voter Supression?


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BrawlMan

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It would be difficult to find an analysis that is more abstracted from the consequences of electing one candidate or another. That right there is just the most shallow bullshit. You must have a better reason than that. Even I could think of better reasons for having voted for Hillary-- and I didn't.
Just so we're clear, I don't give a damn about your approval or set of standards. and while I do have better reasons, I'm not going to bother going in a great detail about them. The point I was making what's me being blunt and me being pissed off at Trump. Yes you are correct, it is shallow bullshit when you think voting for neither side does not matter and think it makes you smarter than everyone else. Thank you for pointing that out.
 
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Bottom line is, there is no magic bullet, or wave of a wand that's going to fix all this shit. Biden isn't perfect, but since SOMEONE has to be president next year, a choice has to be made. Aside from the path of burning the entire infrastructure down, which I know some people here advocate, we have to pick someone to try and steer this clusterfuck for 4 more years. And the best plan, is to try and pick someone who will be, if nothing else, less shitty than the person currently in power. Will that mean, if we pick Biden, that some important issues might not be addressed? Probably, but who is the magical, mythical 3rd candidate, that has any fucking chance of actually winning, that is 100% perfect stance on all the points? Points I might add, that are not entirely agreed upon by any party. They don't exist.

So the choice is simple, if you want things to keep going as is, pick Trump. If you want to see if Biden can at least be less shitty on some of the topics, and maybe make some incremental improvements on some issues, and then hopefully vote in someone else to work the other issues later, vote for Biden.

It's not a perfect solution, but, welcome to the fucking world, nothing here is. We make do with what we've got.
 

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Bottom line is, there is no magic bullet, or wave of a wand that's going to fix all this shit. Biden isn't perfect, but since SOMEONE has to be president next year, a choice has to be made. Aside from the path of burning the entire infrastructure down, which I know some people here advocate, we have to pick someone to try and steer this clusterfuck for 4 more years. And the best plan, is to try and pick someone who will be, if nothing else, less shitty than the person currently in power. Will that mean, if we pick Biden, that some important issues might not be addressed? Probably, but who is the magical, mythical 3rd candidate, that has any fucking chance of actually winning, that is 100% perfect stance on all the points? Points I might add, that are not entirely agreed upon by any party. They don't exist.

So the choice is simple, if you want things to keep going as is, pick Trump. If you want to see if Biden can at least be less shitty on some of the topics, and maybe make some incremental improvements on some issues, and then hopefully vote in someone else to work the other issues later, vote for Biden.

It's not a perfect solution, but, welcome to the fucking world, nothing here is. We make do with what we've got.
Best answer; thread ended!
 

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You know, you would save us a bunch of time if you just said "I won't be happy unless everyone goes total socialist" at the start of these discussions so that would save so much time and effort put into responding.
Yes, I will not be happy until the clear problems I see in front of my eyes are resolved.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
Yes, I will not be happy until the clear problems I see in front of my eyes are resolved.
Are resolved perfectly the first time and till someone is willing to be exactly perfect in your eyes then you don't care who ends up in charge because they aren't perfect.
 

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This is going to sound dismissive. I'm not trying to be, but there's a reality here I need people to actually understand.

I invite Good Morning, Sunday Morning to erase ICE right now. Just to show us how it's done.

What's that? He can't? He doesn't have that power or position to do that? Does Biden and Harris now? No? They have to get elected first? Ok, so we enter into the first problem.

Do you what's abundantly clear to me? No human should mandate what happens with a woman's body. There should be no ability for a corporation to buy enough votes that allows them to charge astronomical prices for their life saving drugs and then have 'medical tourism' voted on like it was drug running... and then have said politicians get employed by said drug companies (learn about people like Billy Tauzin. Likewise it's also clear to me that Police Officers will only do as much as they think they can get away with, and there has been a sharp increase of no Fucks Given after Sessions removed Consent Decrees while the Civil Rights Department was basically gutted.

You and some other posters act like it's just black and white. That the facts and Truth and presented, then the Good Guys win because it is irrefutable. I wish that was the case. Then the Progressives would have already won, and every state would be the majority blue. But it isn't. While the ocean cooks 65% of our world's diet, people still think Climate Change is a made up hoax. Covid just killed a Million people with a number of states seeing a rise in Covid cases . Florida is third in the list of new cases, but Governor DeSantis decided screw it and reopened the entire state. And bars and restaurants here are at full capacity.

Truth is, facts don't matter. They do not. People vote with their feelings. People do not care about others, they care about what makes them feel superior when they go to sleep at night. Those same facts that this poster Good Morning, Sunday Morning causes so damming against Biden and Harris are the same facts that are more damning to the American Public. Because it is if the American Public considers ICE a threat that makes them electable or not. Again, they are not electable on the facts, but on how people feel about the facts.

Sure, it's comfortable and easy to blame Biden and Harris, they let us down. But the majority of voting power in many states are still under Republican control due to Redmap and the Supreme Court refusal to redistrict until after this election. The Truth is that Trump lied about Corona, his Taxes, his affair, still possibly with foreign involvement, and most of his promises to anyone that wasn't a white voter... And it has been shown there's not a God Damned Piece of Truth that will shake any one of these Republican Voters resolve. We see that daily with our Republican voters here, with one or two possible exceptions.

Biden and Harris do not get separate voters who will heed the truth and that alone to carry them into the Presidency. They have to play every idiot who believes reality is what they choose to put stock in. That bullshit does not make the Truth and Convictions contrary to the Mass Delusions electable. No matter how much I wish it to be the case.

So resolving problems is less important than trying to resolve them?
The problem is a lot of people are looking at the wrong end. The problems aren't the politicians. It's the people who elect the politicians. Trump is a symptom. Hell, he's a Simp. The problem is the empowered part of this nation that will close their eyes to all the truth and vote for him because it sticks it to liberals or they only care that they are winning.

Complaining about Politicians is easy. And a Distraction. You want change? You want Revolution? Then what are your plans to get the population on your side?
 

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The problem is a lot of people are looking at the wrong end. The problems aren't the politicians. It's the people who elect the politicians. Trump is a symptom. Hell, he's a Simp. The problem is the empowered part of this nation that will close their eyes to all the truth and vote for him because it sticks it to liberals or they only care that they are winning.

Complaining about Politicians is easy. And a Distraction. You want change? You want Revolution? Then what are your plans to get the population on your side?
Fucking Original Sin bullshit. Medicare for All is a majoritarian policy. COVID relief is majoritarian. That which isn’t easily could be if it was explained in a way that related to actual human needs rather than bullshit culture wars. We did not fail our leaders, they failed us. You wanna deny Democracy, go right the fuck ahead. The population is not some mass of sheeple, and I’ve zero interest in this approach. You logic ends at enlightened despotism, the great being, fascism, not any society worth living in. I want a more democratic society.
 

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Trump, and or foreign trolls likely infiltrated many forums, and shows I go to, and watch.

Just take a look at Reddit; r/wayofthebern. It's very likely due to poor moderation it's full of Russian trolls, or look at the show Rising. It's designed to take away progressives votes from moderate Democrats in the general elections. Not that I like moderate democrats, they far, and way horrible people on the inside, and on the outside.

The problem would these forums, and shows are that they tell you what you want to hear, but don't tell you what you need to hear.

On the other side, you have dipshit liberals who NEVER talk about how awful Biden, like Reddit r/neoliberal, r/politics, CNN, MSNBC, r/askliberals.

Vaush is the only one I found who talks smack about Biden and tells you what you don't want to hear, that you will vote for him or Trump will get more people killed.
 

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Fucking Original Sin bullshit. Medicare for All is a majoritarian policy. COVID relief is majoritarian. That which isn’t easily could be if it was explained in a way that related to actual human needs rather than bullshit culture wars. We did not fail our leaders, they failed us. You wanna deny Democracy, go right the fuck ahead. The population is not some mass of sheeple, and I’ve zero interest in this approach. You logic ends at enlightened despotism, the great being, fascism, not any society worth living in. I want a more democratic society.
How did the Politicians who failed us get into the position to fail us?
 

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Best answer; thread ended!
How wishfully censorious.

Vaush is the only one I found who talks smack about Biden and tells you what you don't want to hear, that you will vote for him or Trump will get more people killed.
Vaush is OK, but his argument for voting Biden overlooks some things.

How did the Politicians who failed us get into the position to fail us?
Evolution by artificial selection. This wasn't really ever a democratic society to begin with, so I'm not sure of your point.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
Do you have an argument or just random memes? Because from my perspective, both guys wanna kill me and neither car actually works.
There is pretty much no point in trying to actually argue with you since you are extremely biased against everything. You are one of those voters who has decided both sides are bad and will not be swayed by any type of argument so why should I bother... Actually, what would make you decide to vote for one side or the other? And don't say them going socialist.
 

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You are one of those voters who has decided both sides are bad and will not be swayed by any type of argument
How would you know? It's not like you've tried offering a good argument.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
How would you know? It's not like you've tried offering a good argument.
I've argued with him before and watched him argue with LIl Devils and others.