Personally I prefer fox’s a grade shitposting to whatever the fuck the rest of this is.
I'm not sure how. From what I can tell, I'm the only leftist on this entire board. I guess it's just a result of the skewed american view of the left right paradigm. It's even worse then the skewed view of what we pretend is "democracy." By the standards of most places, you're all supporting a solidly right leaning candidate.I've read your posts; and frankly I think most of them are the kind of bullshit that gives the political left a bad name.
I’m from Australia, and my family are from Ireland and the North of England. I know left wing when I see it. But I’ve got no time for revolutionary romanticism from people behind keyboards.I'm not sure how. From what I can tell, I'm the only leftist on this entire board. I guess it's just a result of the skewed american view of the left right paradigm. It's even worse then the skewed view of what we pretend is "democracy." By the standards of most places, you're all supporting a solidly right leaning candidate.
Man, gryph is right, the irony IS strong.I’m from Australia, and my family are from Ireland and the North of England. I know left wing when I see it. But I’ve got no time for revolutionary romanticism from people behind keyboards.
The only constant IS change. Things change all the time, Ruth Bader Ginsburg is correct in "Real change, enduring change, happens one step at a time."Nothing is ever going to change as long as people continue to support a structure that is specifically designed not to change
I'm amused that you all think that there's time for this sort of slow, incremental change. There isn't. I wish we had that luxury. In case you haven't noticed, the earth is burning up. If we actually want to make changes, drastic action needs to be taken immediately.The only constant IS change. Things change all the time, Ruth Bader Ginsburg is correct in "Real change, enduring change, happens one step at a time."
You not understanding that does not mean it doesn't happen.
You have to understand how to get from point A to point B. You are not looking at the cause and effect of what you do. What is the end goal of the changes you propose? What is your step by step plan to accomplish these changes? Saying " tear it all down" doesn't help you build anything. It just makes a pile of shit and everything goes to shit and everything is worse for everyone rather than anything actually being better for anyone.
Go ahead, you have yet to explain your step by step plan to accomplish these goals, and how we can expect the cause and effect of your plan to actually result in that happening. I'm waiting.I'm amused that you all think that there's time for this sort of slow, incremental change. There isn't. I wish we had that luxury. In case you haven't noticed, the earth is burning up. If we actually want to make changes, drastic action needs to be taken immediately.
But that won't happen under trump. It won't even happen under biden. So what's the answer? "Atleast biden believes in global warming?" "A weak response is better then no response?" Even if biden did take real steps toward change, it would get overturned in 4-8 years. But I don't think he will. I don't even think he's competent enough to do so if he wanted to.
Frankly, my kind of dramatic action is the only thing that makes sense.
Not wanting to speak for others, but I'm guessing mostly everyone agrees with this, they just don't think your kind of dramatic action is a feasible option either. As you say, a weak response is better than no response. Maybe, maybe we'll see a weak response, we'll likely see little or no response, we won't see a good response.I'm amused that you all think that there's time for this sort of slow, incremental change. There isn't. I wish we had that luxury. In case you haven't noticed, the earth is burning up. If we actually want to make changes, drastic action needs to be taken immediately.
But that won't happen under trump. It won't even happen under biden. So what's the answer? "Atleast biden believes in global warming?" "A weak response is better then no response?" Even if biden did take real steps toward change, it would get overturned in 4-8 years. But I don't think he will. I don't even think he's competent enough to do so if he wanted to.
Frankly, my kind of dramatic action is the only thing that makes sense.
IF Democrats are able to get a majority, they seem to be floating the idea currently of making DC and Puerto Rico states. If that happens, there would actually be a real possibility of not having it flip to the GOP in 4 to 8 years. Then they could actually get more done that fixing the mess the GOP made while they were in the house crapping all over the place.I'm amused that you all think that there's time for this sort of slow, incremental change. There isn't. I wish we had that luxury. In case you haven't noticed, the earth is burning up. If we actually want to make changes, drastic action needs to be taken immediately.
But that won't happen under trump. It won't even happen under biden. So what's the answer? "Atleast biden believes in global warming?" "A weak response is better then no response?" Even if biden did take real steps toward change, it would get overturned in 4-8 years. But I don't think he will. I don't even think he's competent enough to do so if he wanted to.
Frankly, my kind of dramatic action is the only thing that makes sense.
Overthrow the bourgeoisie, seize their wealth, return control of the means of production to the people, and set up a temporary dictatoriship to control the transition into a true communist state.Go ahead, you have yet to explain your step by step plan to accomplish these goals, and how we can expect the cause and effect of your plan to actually result in that happening. I'm waiting.
"A weak response is better then no response." Not when the outcome is the same. Every response that isn't dramatic is essentially the same. Maybe I am dramatic. But dramatic dangers call for dramatic action. I wouldn't have much patience for that argument during the holocaust, and I don't have much patience for it now with regards to global warming. Capitalism is nothing but a road block for change, so it needs to be dismantled and destroyed.Not wanting to speak for others, but I'm guessing mostly everyone agrees with this, they just don't think your kind of dramatic action is a feasible option either. As you say, a weak response is better than no response. Maybe, maybe we'll see a weak response, we'll likely see little or no response, we won't see a good response.
That will never, ever happen. Frankly, it seems even less reasonable then my plan.IF Democrats are able to get a majority, they seem to be floating the idea currently of making DC and Puerto Rico states. If that happens, there would actually be a real possibility of not having it flip to the GOP in 4 to 8 years. Then they could actually get more done that fixing the mess the GOP made while they were in the house crapping all over the place.
If the next time democrats control the white house, house and Senate they actually make that move, they actually could make it much easier for them to shift left because it would give them a little bit of breathing room they currently do not have. If they ever managed to get a comfortable enough lead, they wouldn't have to wrestle for conservative votes like they do now, but they still would need more regions to shift left to get us to that point. Puerto Rico and DC would definitely help though for sure.
Yes. That's the problem. People aren't going to destroy capitalism or whatever. Sure, in theory, they could, but come back in 5, 10, 20 years and they won't have. Small reforms that won't really help people are still better than big dramatic changes we might very well need, but never actually happen.The world will burn while everyone mills around doing nothing.
The small reforms you people talk about aren't even solutions. Even if they unfolded exactly the way you people described, and everything you said happens exactly as described, it wouldn't be enough. Your solutions aren't even solutions at all.Yes. That's the problem. People aren't going to destroy capitalism or whatever. Sure, in theory, they could, but come back in 5, 10, 20 years and they won't have. Small reforms that won't really help people are still better than big dramatic changes we might very well need, but never actually happen.
Right. But what this actually means is that having taken the means of production, there's no guarantee that the people we put to run it really know how to do it, which means production nosedives, jobs are lost, living standards decline. With the global interrelatedness of production, your industry actually comes to a grinding halt because being dysfunctional, it probably can't afford all the parts and raw materials etc. to maintain production. You can't buy in much of the vast panoply of modern living that your country doesn't make any more. And so it also goes with state apparatus which also degrades, and much more - no international credit, the government cannot borrow, and cannot spend. Very likely, there's heavy emigation, especially of the highly skilled and educated as they're the people who tend to be persecuted and have their opportunities denied.Overthrow the bourgeoisie, seize their wealth, return control of the means of production to the people, and set up a temporary dictatoriship to control the transition into a true communist state.
I know it wouldn't be enough. That's a given. But "not enough" or even "not nearly enough" compares favourably to "nothing". Clutching at straws when you're drowning is better than talking about the design for a great lifeboat that's not ever going to get built. You'll still likely drown each way, but it's something.The small reforms you people talk about aren't even solutions. Even if they unfolded exactly the way you people described, and everything you said happens exactly as described, it wouldn't be enough. Your solutions aren't even solutions at all.
What precisely is the first actionable step in doing this? What specifically am I, for example, meant to do with this?Overthrow the bourgeoisie, seize their wealth, return control of the means of production to the people, and set up a temporary dictatoriship to control the transition into a true communist state.
NOTHING! I get to be the DICTATOR! MWHAHAHA! Now we fight to the death and this goes on until everyone is dead and the world goes on without us. XDWhat precisely is the first actionable step in doing this? What specifically am I, for example, meant to do with this?
This, but unironically.What precisely is the first actionable step in doing this? What specifically am I, for example, meant to do with this?