In that case, we should ban minors from going to the beach on the grounds that they might see a bikini.
Dude, don't be disengenuous.
Twitch has a new Hot Girls in Hot Tubs Meta now
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Dude, don't be disengenuous.
I've been to a lot of beaches and I've never seen girls stick their asses in people's faces while pretending to suck dick. Nor has anyone ever on the beach offered to seel me their nude photographs.
It's not even a close comparison, don't be ignorant. If you can see the obvious difference, then you are just fooling yourself.
As has been pointed out, OnlyFans requires a debit or credit card, which most minors don't have. Going to the beach is free, much like porn on the internet. Anyway, I'm of the opinion that sex work should be legal anyway. Want to protect kids from things they're not old enough to understand? Then be a fucking parent and take your responsibilities seriously. I remember as a teenager I always found ways to get around the blocks and find porn and R-rated movies and all that shit. And on the occasions when I got caught, my parents didn't blame the mass media, they just sat me down and had a reasonable talk. That's just part and parcel with raising a child.
Dude, what is your real problem with this? Because this pseudo-puritan schtick is not working out. Sexual content on OnlyFans is pay-gated. And if a teenager with a bank account wants to spend some of the money they earned on whacking material, it's no business of yours or mine. So again, what is the real problem?
Well here is the thing. I've said before in this very thread that i wouldn't have a problem with the thots if Twitch required age verification to watch them. Which can be as simple as requiring a credit card and a $1 membership fee to hold and account and only these paid accounts can view these types of streams. It's a fucking simple solution that I think is more than fair right?
To say that these streams don't offer anything more than what these girls would be doing in a public space is simply false. They are not dry humping the air, they are not riding dickshaped balloons in an explicit way (they may do this at private parties or over 21 clubs but not public places). It is very clear what they are doing is sexually implicit.
Because it has consequences that will effect the greater twitch as a whole. Namely advertising. Twitch has very specific rules against sexual content (that they continuously allow these girls to break and ONLY these girls), and advertisers pay for ads on Twitch because they assume that their product isn't going to be shown in front of Cinemax After Dark levels of content. If an advertiser gets wind of where their ads are being shown, the potential for a Twitch based adpocalypse site wide is possible the same way that shit happened to Youtube.
And there are a fuckload of content creators who would lose ads that don't deserve it because a collection of thots keep breaking the rules.
There are literal PORNSTARS on Twitch like Sasha Grey who stream video games and IRL conversations that don't do anything sexual what-so-ever. Amoranth might get away with it, but do you think an actual porn star would? Probably not.
Just look up normal streamers talking about this:
And as these channels and MYSELF agree with. The content that these girls are doing is fine if Twitch wants it there, just so long as they do enough to cover their asses on it to keep the rest of twitch safe. Making the streams not front page of twitch material, having sexual content flags, making it so that if the girls continue to want to push this type of content then a twitch user would specifically have to dig for it. And that cost of discovery is going to have to be the price that these streamers pay in order to do that kind of content, which I'm sure they'd be willing to pay because in so doing they would be able to be more blatant about it and as a result make a fuckload more money probably.
Doing that, would let everybody win. I don't see why that is such a problem to understand for people.
Ok here's the "Issue"
Places get known to things.
If I say Gab (the social media site) it creates a certain image of what you'll find there.
If I say Onlyfans you don't generally expect some classical artist
Big thing incoming.
TLDR: People would probably object if you added a strip club into the local cinema. People would probably care less if on the other side of the industrial estate or a few minutes away there was one. There's a reason things tend to have separate buildings.
Big Thing:
Twitch is getting an image problem from all this and well it attracts a certain kind of person who have certain behaviours and expectations. There have already been some women streamers complaining about the spill over from certain other streamers audiences demographics where they expect the same stuff from them as some of the others and cause trouble when they're told no. Also yes it is creepy. It's creepy the idea kids could be watching and thinking this is how to act (seriously people objected to video games where you give characters gifts as part of the relationship mechanics yet apparently it's fine for female Twitch Streamers to do this weird parasocial thing where they pretend to care or sell the idea of possibly getting a relationship if they show they are the most generous).
Now you can argue "Well it's not the camgirls fault there are creeps coming out of the woodwork they don't make the creeps" which is true but if you put up a sign that basically says "creeps welcome here" then yeh there is a bit of a problem. because yeh I find it kinda creepy what's going on. If you put out sugar water you can't be surprised that flies turn up and that becomes a problem so the question has to be what to do with the sugar water.
The ever evolving "Meta" which is now at ASMR sucking noises with eye contact and sexy poses in tight Yoga pants.......... yes really, is going to damage other categories and streamers. Either there will be an adpocalypse due to companies pulling ads after some story about 15 year olds blowing their parents bank balance on some streamer or some similar thing. Advertisers are super risk averse and Twitch is seemingly unwilling to stop ads on certain channels for fear of backlash and being accused of misogyny or something by streamers who lets be honest in quite a few cases are kinda manipulative and would resort to such claims. The streamers just want any money they can they're "getting that bread" and with Amouranth claiming to make $300,000+ a year on ad revenue on Twitch alone you can see why they don't want to give that up but Twitch kinda has to basically at some point separate the stuff out. The problem being Twitch won't win at appeasing both advertisers and streamer and seems to want to ride the line.
The Hot Tub Meta died because it was given it's own category which meant less visibility than when it was part of just chatting and it meant advertisers could easily choose to exclude that category from there advertising thus effectively demonetising said category but Twitch getting to have clean hands over it. So many of the Hot Tub Meta streamers moved to ASMR. Now there are or were a number of established ASMR streamers and you can imagine they weren't too happy about a bunch of people coming stomping in to do what is in essence simulated blowjob streams. The argument by Amouranth and Co boils down to the idea of a rising tide lifting all boats but the counter argument being they're looking for a popular category but without major people regularly in there to become top streamers in the category easily and get more attention from people clicking and coming in thus actually taking attention away from others as Amouranth and co's audience aren't there for actual ASMR really so there tide won't lift other ship or if it does it will be more massive waves crashing into them as viewers expect something different to standard ASMR.
Twitch needs to make a separate category called something like "Twitch after dark" or "Twitching and Twerking" and basically contain the "Meta" streamers into it but they won't because they'll have to deal with the PR headache of them yelling about sexism because advertisers won't want to advertise on it.
Twitch was about gaming. Now it's more general entertainment and well I don't find softcore cocktease stuff entertaining. Sure I'll happily take some boobs with my show / game / film about whatever else but I'm not watching the show specifically for the boobs and I'm not going to keep watching unless it has something else to keep me watching. If just Boobs alone were all it took then there's a huge number of really poor quality films on Amazon Prime Video I could watch, but I don't because I'm there for the entertainment value first. Boobs are just the sprinkles on the ice-cream not the ice-cream itself. Sure sometimes I just want sprinkles but then I go specifically find that.
I don't want my "entertainment" to be nothing but horny.
Places get known to things.
If I say Gab (the social media site) it creates a certain image of what you'll find there.
If I say Onlyfans you don't generally expect some classical artist
Big thing incoming.
TLDR: People would probably object if you added a strip club into the local cinema. People would probably care less if on the other side of the industrial estate or a few minutes away there was one. There's a reason things tend to have separate buildings.
Big Thing:
Twitch is getting an image problem from all this and well it attracts a certain kind of person who have certain behaviours and expectations. There have already been some women streamers complaining about the spill over from certain other streamers audiences demographics where they expect the same stuff from them as some of the others and cause trouble when they're told no. Also yes it is creepy. It's creepy the idea kids could be watching and thinking this is how to act (seriously people objected to video games where you give characters gifts as part of the relationship mechanics yet apparently it's fine for female Twitch Streamers to do this weird parasocial thing where they pretend to care or sell the idea of possibly getting a relationship if they show they are the most generous).
Now you can argue "Well it's not the camgirls fault there are creeps coming out of the woodwork they don't make the creeps" which is true but if you put up a sign that basically says "creeps welcome here" then yeh there is a bit of a problem. because yeh I find it kinda creepy what's going on. If you put out sugar water you can't be surprised that flies turn up and that becomes a problem so the question has to be what to do with the sugar water.
The ever evolving "Meta" which is now at ASMR sucking noises with eye contact and sexy poses in tight Yoga pants.......... yes really, is going to damage other categories and streamers. Either there will be an adpocalypse due to companies pulling ads after some story about 15 year olds blowing their parents bank balance on some streamer or some similar thing. Advertisers are super risk averse and Twitch is seemingly unwilling to stop ads on certain channels for fear of backlash and being accused of misogyny or something by streamers who lets be honest in quite a few cases are kinda manipulative and would resort to such claims. The streamers just want any money they can they're "getting that bread" and with Amouranth claiming to make $300,000+ a year on ad revenue on Twitch alone you can see why they don't want to give that up but Twitch kinda has to basically at some point separate the stuff out. The problem being Twitch won't win at appeasing both advertisers and streamer and seems to want to ride the line.
The Hot Tub Meta died because it was given it's own category which meant less visibility than when it was part of just chatting and it meant advertisers could easily choose to exclude that category from there advertising thus effectively demonetising said category but Twitch getting to have clean hands over it. So many of the Hot Tub Meta streamers moved to ASMR. Now there are or were a number of established ASMR streamers and you can imagine they weren't too happy about a bunch of people coming stomping in to do what is in essence simulated blowjob streams. The argument by Amouranth and Co boils down to the idea of a rising tide lifting all boats but the counter argument being they're looking for a popular category but without major people regularly in there to become top streamers in the category easily and get more attention from people clicking and coming in thus actually taking attention away from others as Amouranth and co's audience aren't there for actual ASMR really so there tide won't lift other ship or if it does it will be more massive waves crashing into them as viewers expect something different to standard ASMR.
Twitch needs to make a separate category called something like "Twitch after dark" or "Twitching and Twerking" and basically contain the "Meta" streamers into it but they won't because they'll have to deal with the PR headache of them yelling about sexism because advertisers won't want to advertise on it.
Twitch was about gaming. Now it's more general entertainment and well I don't find softcore cocktease stuff entertaining. Sure I'll happily take some boobs with my show / game / film about whatever else but I'm not watching the show specifically for the boobs and I'm not going to keep watching unless it has something else to keep me watching. If just Boobs alone were all it took then there's a huge number of really poor quality films on Amazon Prime Video I could watch, but I don't because I'm there for the entertainment value first. Boobs are just the sprinkles on the ice-cream not the ice-cream itself. Sure sometimes I just want sprinkles but then I go specifically find that.
I don't want my "entertainment" to be nothing but horny.
The fact you refer to them as "thots" puts the lie to that claim.
If it were really about better business practices, the sexism riddled throughout your argument would be wholly unnecessary. If anything, it makes me less inclined to believe you.
Then don't believe me, I don't give a shit. Believe the actual Twitch community of which i have provide you videos to show what the people whom this would affect think of the situation.
I use the term because the wider community against these girls use that term and to say "women on twitch" would be disengenuious because there are LOADS of women on Twitch who do not engage in this behavior. Therefore they've earned the term. It is not sexism because it is applied to them strictly on the basis of their behavior not their gender.
You just call it sexist in order to dismiss the argument and my point because you have no real retort.
You can get a Debit card with accounts at 16 in the UK.
You don't even have to be 16 to buy those pre loaded debit cards some shops sell.
I'm of the view sex work should be legal too.
I'm just against having the brothels combine with Weathspoons pubs to create Whetherspooning or shagging isn't the way I'd like it to be. Or Starbucks either
Parents can try to take responsibility but porn blockers tend to see Twitch as safe as do many adult filter things. Adults who aren't that internet savy or just don't know won't think that the Amazon owned site Twitch might be serving up inappropriate content or worse maybe they did go in and set up filters to stop the kid going on age restricted 18+ streams (which is an option on Twitch) but the Meta streamers don't mark their streams as 18+ (because it's voluntary) for the simple reason that if you do then you get limited or no adverts and they're all about getting all the bread they can.
"Everyone else is using gendered insults, therefor it's okay for me to do it!"
And I'm not dismissing your argument so much as accusing you of not giving the whole truth behind your motives.
The whole truth such as what? What argument have i made that would make you think some nefarious desire? I've talked up other female streamers without issue, I've even said multiple times that I don't care what sexy shit these girls stream so long as it is separated and flagged accordingly.
So what fucking motivation? What you mean to imply is that I have some sort of woman hate fueling my argument, yet the only evidence is an "insulting codename" which means nothing and proves nothing. Again you are just latching onto a tiny detail to try and invalidate everything I've already said. Which in reality you just want to ignore because you know I'm right have no further point against me.
So....*PFFFFFTTT*
And the fact that you keep using gendered insults undermines your own argument. You want to sound credible? Don't talk like a sex-negative incel.
Oh we just going in circles and shit now huh.
"Thot" can apply to men as well. DarkSydePhil is a famous thot, even jerked off live on stream once. So if it applies to everyone how is it gendered?
Doesn't matter.
The offenders in this case happen to be women, and that's it. It would apply just as well to men if men did this bullshit. The only reason why men aren't doing that is because they can't. They can't do it for two reasons:
1. Twitch would instantly ban any man who dared try.
2. Nobody would shower that dude with money the way they do these girls.
That's the only reason. An insult is an insult and I mean it to be insulting, but gender has nothing to do with that. It's secondary, coincidental, nothing more.
Yet again, that doesn't matter to you, because you only care about the word and not the context. You don't care about the other 325 words in my post. You don't want to concider anything because that moment you see a word you just put up your walls and white knight for these girls doing a very clearly wrong thing. You will defend their behavior no matter what because you've decided that because someone dared called them a name, you must swirl reasons in your head in order to somehow validate the behavior as some sort of matriarchal act of defiance.
I get you don't like the word, and hell maybe you can get the forum to autocensor it the way they autocensor b***h.
But by feeling like you have to dismissany argument, defend them against any criticism because it might be derogatory, basically means that you think these girls are too weak to handle the commentary themselves. They are weak and helpless and much be defended at all costs by the naughty naughty forum man. Thus exhibiting your own sense of sexism, so congrats I guess we both guilty.
Do you think it's sexist that Twitch refuses to enforce their own rules against these th.....women? Do you think it is sexist that this girls obviously get preferential treatment? If not why? Why is Amoranth, and Allinty allowed to get away with something that someone like CohCarnage wouldn't? Would it have anything to do with Twitch mods reportedly getting free Onlyfans access? That probably isn't possible right? There is only superficial evidence of that so that can't be. Which means the only other reason MUST therefore be.....because WAMAN. Last I checked.....that's sexism.
Critical is incorrect but only by accident; it would be correct to say that soliciting pornographic material to minors - which is basically what OnlyFans exists to host - is a crime.
A fifteen year old boy or girl can buy a copy of a magazine with sexual content such as Zoo (Is that still around? Must check) because it is as you say, bikini beach material. They cannot however buy any number of otherwise legal magazines because they are rated for adults 18 and over. And supplying or allowing them access to said material is a criminal offence.
Or maybe that’s just how it works in my country because our rating system is legally enforceable.
Well it is rather a gendered thing there's really not that many guys doing the hot tub streams
I'm sure there are male terms for such things. Just they don't get used often enough. I mean the term gigolo rarely gets used as is lol
I have a few Sports Illustrated Swinsuit Editions where some of the models are wearing nothing but body paint.
I bought them from aisle racks in the supermarket.
Is the twitch stuff weird? Depends what you're into. Is it sexual? Yeah. Is it pornographic? Not anymore than half the stuff on the Crunchyroll or Funimation apps. About as hard to find too.
I bought them from aisle racks in the supermarket.
Is the twitch stuff weird? Depends what you're into. Is it sexual? Yeah. Is it pornographic? Not anymore than half the stuff on the Crunchyroll or Funimation apps. About as hard to find too.
Yes, yes, MRA projection, pity party, blah blah blah. I think we're done here.