I didn't miss your point, but you might have. You're denying that a black supremacist can exist in the same fashion as a white supremacist because white people and black people don't live in the same circumstances in reality, but you're disregarding the fact that anyone delusional enough to be a racial supremacist likely does not agree with you about what that reality is.
Yeah like I said, I can't fathom why they wouldn't just make cartoon emotes instead of trying to use the likeness of real streamers. Because people will eventually fuck up and if the company is going to insantly cut ties with someone they disagree with, then why bother running that risk?
How is whiteness any different from blackness though? If I can't be proud of "whiteness" then he can't be proud of his "blackness" because like he said....I can be proud of being Italian, German, Polish, whatever. By the same token he cannot be proud of his "Blackness", but he CAN be proud of being Nigerian, South African, American even, whatever it is. Black is not a culture anymore than white, brown, pink, or purple are.
Because blackness is an imposed experience with definable shared social characteristics and roles. To be white in a white supremacist culture is to be default, to be anything else is to be other and have imposed on you certain norms separate from the default. In taking pride in that experience, the rebellion against those imposed norms, the history of that rejection, they do a very different thing from those who take pride in their default status. The latter only reaffirms existing injustices.
Yes, but if you read that guy's comment carefully, his point is that his ancestors were taken from their homeland, bundled in with black people from all sorts of other cultures, all had their culture stripped from them and replaced by the will of their masters, and a few generations later they had no cultural awareness of their ancestral land. He cannot be proud of his pre-American heritage, because he doesn't know what it is and no traditions of it have passed down to him. Thus unlike white people who took their culture by choice with them, his people's identity was created and forced on them by white people through slavery.
His being ok with national pride sucks to me, and is ideologically inconsistent from my perspective, but I think Nationalism is the gravedigger of society so my perspective is fairly particular.
Taken and sold to the europeans by their own people. It wasn't entirely just a bunch of kidnapping ships. Their own people SOLD them. So that's part of the history you are celebrating by celebrating your "blackness" if you want to go that route. Which is why he "can't" be proud of his heritage pre-salvery if he wants to put it that way, his people were betrayed by their own heritage.
I'm not averse to national pride, at a gentle level. I like it at the level of a modest societal bond and shared commonality, plus a dose of good-natured competition with the neighbours. At the point I hear a bunch of oiks aggressively shouting "USA! USA! USA!" I start to get a little downhearted. At the point it's invading Poland for lebensraum, it's long since passed my tolerance.
I never understood Nationalism myself. It's not like people chose where their born, nor do they chose their heritage. So it's like....I dunno....to me it's almost like rooting for a local sports team. I feel like you should have pride for yourself, not the circumstances of where you took your first breath.
I can't help but notice Americans celebrate their European ancestors despite them fleeing persecution by their fellow countrymen, or Australians happy to accept their heritage despite many of their ancestors being exiled there in penal servitude by their countrymen.
It's weird, because I'd say England is very nationalist (and inexplicably proud) right now, and yet our social bonds are minimal. Just look at our COVID attitude to each other -- it's all 'I'm alright Jack.' Sure, there's been some real stand-up people going above and beyond to help others, but they're few and far between. Seriously protests outside a hospital!
There is no supply without demand, and European chattel slavery in the Americans is almost uniquely dehumanizing.
Jewish people would probably have a harder time moving on if they were still confined to ghettos. The USA is still fighting over whether we should honor slaving traitors in the public square. We still have states doing their level best to disenfranchise black voters. We still have redlining. We still have unequal sentencing. If white America hasn't moved on, it seems cruel to demand Black America do so
Americans don't tend to celebrate that specifically as much as people celebrate shit like "Oh I'm 30% Italian so I know what a good pasta is!" and things like that. People tend to only see the bright side of their heritage and not the bad shit. Because quite frankly if you go back far enough, everyone's heritage is a shitpile. There hasn't never been a human culture in the history of our race that wasn't a bunch of murderous bastards with dreams of domination. Human history fucking sucks dude because we are a shit species all things considered.
It's similar to how some people make some sort of media all their identity (looking at you Star Wars).
Fucking what?
en.wikipedia.org
And some random Muslims who *didn't* do that. And some random Sikhs who didn't do that.
