Two LulzSec Members Plead Guilty To DDOS Attacks

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Evil Smurf said:
I don't know if I should be sorry for him or not.....
If you invite the FBI to arrest you, and they do, I don't see why you deserve sympathy. So he's got Aspergers. So fucking what?

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Also why is the fact that he's got Aspergers even mentioned in the article?
 

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These guys are such dorks. That's the only way I can describe them. They thought they were so epic "hacking" and performing "take downs". You DDoS'd a few sites guys. You aren't Batman. You just inconvenienced a few people. Now you're going to Jail because tried to be a badass.
 

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viranimus said:
And exactly what "crime" was committed? Overloading a server with trivial data requests? I wasnt aware that was exactly made a crime. Walking thru a backdoor left wide open that just happened to hold data stores of personal information? Again if the door had been properly locked and secured, yes, but honestly these guys hacking skill is actually not as impressive as the results suggest.

And honestly Im sorry you disagree, but any corporation that chose to try to railroad, screw over and ruin the life of an individual in the name of protecting corporate profits despite there being legal precedent that made that action perfectly legal, and then challenged people to screw with them, had no reason to expect any other response and should not be protected for not anticipating the very expected response.

These kids may or may not have broken "laws"(because in many cases the charges are improper modified stop gap charges for laws that do not exist) but these are not the "criminals" that need looking for.
I do have to correct you, a backdoor is a backdoor. Regardless of whether or not it is secure. You go through it, you've broken the law.
Now, I'm not saying the corporations are in the right, but if people want an internet like we've enjoyed in the past, some rules have to be followed. I'm still mad that my PSN account got hacked. Am I mad at Sony? Nope. They didn't hack it. They had shitty security, I knew that (seriously, what counts for secure on the internet these days anyway?), but I still trusted it.
There are rules. You don't blame a B&E rape victim because she didn't use Schlaage deadbolts on her door. You don't blame a victim for poor security.
But Sony wasn't the victim. You and everyone else with a PSN account was the victim. The situation is more like if I was house sitting for someone and forgot to lock their doors. If someone breaks in, then some of the fault is on me. Not all of it because obviously people shouldn't be breaking into houses but still, I fucked up in that situation.
 

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Is the inclusion of the Asperger's thing supposed to make people sympathetic to the guy? All that means is the guy has trouble with social interaction and an abnormally intense interest in a particular subject, not that he doesn't know right from wrong, or that he has superpowers, or that he's somehow not responsible for what he did.
Its like when news articles refer to a murdered teenage victim as "black teenager" John Doe. Implying that being black was somehow instrumental to the whole thing, without even explicitly saying so. See also, when a person who's muslim commits a murder; the headline will always read "Muslim Commits Murder". You just know that if they were buddhist or christian or whatever, the headline would simply read "Man Commits Murder", 'coz whats the point in telling a story, if you can't pander to established stereotypes and images?
 

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Heh heh heh heh... You can never truly escape. Once you do something that big and that irritating, you're marked for life, and people want you taken down. And in the end, they will find you, and they will kill you.

Wait... No, sorry. That was Liam Neeson.

However, the part about being marked and eventually found is true. Once you go too far, you are on a timer winding down until you are caught. No escape, no hope, no salvation... Being needlessly destructive and foolish like that carries with it that burden, that you have to watch your back forever and run for your life. And in the end, you run out of places TO run IF you ran at all.

The best way to avoid being caught is not doing anything like that at all.
 

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If they had actually had a point behind what they were doing, then I'd feel slightly sympathetic, but they were just bored kids who decided to be massive douchebags. If they had legitimately cared about the security of the targetted sites they would have not DDOSed, and they wouldn't have made public leaks of confidential information. Their case is about the only time when I've wanted someone to get a long sentence for hacking.
i agree with you on the 2nd point you make but (being a guy who isn't a computer expert) explain to me how take down the CIA website without hacking into their computers.
 

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Is it just me, or is Asperger's Syndrome now becoming the new "it" disease. I'm pretty sure most people are self-diagnosed sufferers who just want an excuse to be an uncouth ****.
 

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I feel that this image is appropriate.


Also, daring the FBI to catch and arrest you after you piss off several major companies? Is that not the dumbest move ever?
 

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Radelaide said:
Is it just me, or is Asperger's Syndrome now becoming the new "it" disease. I'm pretty sure most people are self-diagnosed sufferers who just want an excuse to be an uncouth ****.
Well, it's certainly become the media's new favorite disorder. I wouldn't call it a disease as it's not catching, it just means the person in question's mind functions differently than the "average" person. And with all disabilities, there is a range from high functioning to low functioning. It's also surrounded by many misdiagnoses and it's over diagnosed (much like ADD and ADHD) by professional psychiatrists for kids that don't have it, while sometimes ignoring kids that do.

What bothers me about saying he's a "sufferer" is that it seems like they're trying to say that the person in question is mentally incompetent. But that's far from the case, a person with Asperger's approaches the world differently than other people and their interactions with it are a reflection the way they see it. But most are perfectly rational and reasonable people, capable of understanding their own actions and the consequences of them.

Actually, it bothers me because it shows the inherent bias of multiple cultures towards people with "mental disabilities". I have ADD and though it's become much more common in the past decade, I'm sometimes treated like there's something wrong with me. There isn't.

I'm not trying to come down on you, it's just calling it a disease is kind of offensive. Sheldon on the Big Bang Theory is also offensive in the same way. Some people with Asperger's certainly do behave like terribly offensive, uncouth idiots regardless of whether or not they're diagnosed. But other people do too, regardless of age, gender, skin color, or culture. Saying he acted out this way because he's Asperger's doesn't excuse his actions, it may be part of the legal plea but it just makes me want to slam my head into the table.
 

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nightwolf667 said:
Radelaide said:
Is it just me, or is Asperger's Syndrome now becoming the new "it" disease. I'm pretty sure most people are self-diagnosed sufferers who just want an excuse to be an uncouth ****.
Well, it's certainly become the media's new favorite disorder. I wouldn't call it a disease as it's not catching, it just means the person in question's mind functions differently than the "average" person. And with all disabilities, there is a range from high functioning to low functioning. It's also surrounded by many misdiagnoses and it's over diagnosed (much like ADD and ADHD) by professional psychiatrists for kids that don't have it, while sometimes ignoring kids that do.

What bothers me about saying he's a "sufferer" is that it seems like they're trying to say that the person in question is mentally incompetent. But that's far from the case, a person with Asperger's approaches the world differently than other people and their interactions with it are a reflection the way they see it. But most are perfectly rational and reasonable people, capable of understanding their own actions and the consequences of them.

Actually, it bothers me because it shows the inherent bias of multiple cultures towards people with "mental disabilities". I have ADD and though it's become much more common in the past decade, I'm sometimes treated like there's something wrong with me. There isn't.

I'm not trying to come down on you, it's just calling it a disease is kind of offensive. Sheldon on the Big Bang Theory is also offensive in the same way. Some people with Asperger's certainly do behave like terribly offensive, uncouth idiots regardless of whether or not they're diagnosed. But other people do too, regardless of age, gender, skin color, or culture. Saying he acted out this way because he's Asperger's doesn't excuse his actions, it may be part of the legal plea but it just makes me want to slam my head into the table.
As someone who suffers from pretty severe depression/anxiety, I know exactly where you're coming from. I'm sick of hearing that every John, Dick and Harry has it. But I know people IRL who say they have Asperger's but they're just using it as an excuse to be assholes.

I'd like to see medical records on this kid (only including his diagnosis) on how severe his "disorder" is. I think the attorney he's using it just using it as an excuse to get his sentence reduced.

Disease probably wasn't the correct term, so I apologise, but it still fits the point.
 

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80Maxwell08 said:
Why does it matter if he goes to prison there or in the US if he's still going in prison anyway?
US prisons are notorious around the world for their poor treatment of prisoners and often harsh sentencing, and the fact that in the US friends and family won't be able to visit him.
 

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LastGreatBlasphemer said:
viranimus said:
Much as I said, I was not aware that overloading a server with traffic was made a crime. Would you care to cite the source of the longstanding US law that makes it illegal to overwhelm a server please so as I do not make this error again?
Actually that's a very interesting topic.

A website costs money to keep up and running, especially when high traffic is involved. And these are not personal websites with a visitor counter in the double digits.
Now, like I said, that means money is spent to keep it up and running.
Which means that purposely flooding it with traffic with the express intent to make it shut down, (IE: Unlawful blocking of service) is in fact a crime.

The "hackers" do not own the site, the IP, or provide monetary aid to keep it running.
Therefore any attempt to bring it down is, currently, by law, Vandalism. If you have a problem with that being vandalism, stay off the internet. As I've said before, if you like the internet you've enjoyed in the past, there are rules that have to be obeyed. Taking someone down just because you disagree with them, is against the rules.
But there are some flaws with that. First off the likes of Sony do not pay other organizations to host their servers. They host and regulate their own servers. So it is not as if being inundated with trivial request is going to hit a overload bandwidth kickoff that many hosting services utilize to generate income. In the course of expense there is no additional money lost regardless of it they receive one request or 1 trillion per millisecond.

Secondly, in many cases these people (No I will not refer to them as hackers because no actual hacking occurred) DO in fact provide monetary aid to the company. Sony again is a perfect example. I think it goes without saying that there is likely not a single one of the ones who were supposedly behind the Sony attack that did not buy Sony products along the way.

But to claim vandalism? DDoS attacks do not destroy data or damage it. Once the protest is over that data is the exact same as it ever was. In the case of some cracks the data might be modified as in replacing a webpages background from a sunset to a bag full of donkey phali, but those are not the DDoS attacks we are looking for.

And the question I posed is what specific law was created to make it illegal. Applying and reworking an existing law that does not quite fit is what I was trying to point out. Ive yet to see a specific US law mentioned that specifically states DDoS attacks or actually properly reflects the actions involved with the supposed crime.

I would like to see the legally ratified laws of the internet if these laws do exist. That is why I ask, because I did not get the memo that the laws had yet been drafted.
 

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Bvenged said:
Grey Carter said:
"Arrest us. We dare you," the (ugh) hacktivist group tweeted [https://twitter.com/LulzSec/status/93093868379193344] back in July of last year.

The authorities did exactly that. Several alleged members of the group were arrested after a joint investigation by Scotland Yard and the FBI.
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Game Over
Now I want cruel and unusual punishment for those 2.

Sentence to hang by ethernet cord or something.

Or something less excessive.
 

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Ogargd said:
80Maxwell08 said:
Why does it matter if he goes to prison there or in the US if he's still going in prison anyway?
US prisons are notorious around the world for their poor treatment of prisoners and often harsh sentencing, and the fact that in the US friends and family won't be able to visit him.
So basically the FBI wants to make him suffer for humiliating them.
 

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Radelaide said:
As someone who suffers from pretty severe depression/anxiety, I know exactly where you're coming from. I'm sick of hearing that every John, Dick and Harry has it. But I know people IRL who say they have Asperger's but they're just using it as an excuse to be assholes.
And I know two people in real life who both have it, and have heard horror stories about third. One acknowledges and addresses his behavior, the other exists in a fantasy reality of his own making and rejects anything that contradicts his own views. The third refuses any acknowledgement of reality, takes medication meant for someone with bi-polar and uses every excuse to be an asshole. He apparently takes his computer into family restaurants with porn for his background. So, I know where you're coming from too.

Assholes of any stripe are frustrating to deal with, but like any disorder it comes in many colors and many strokes. It's the same as saying that someone with Asperger's is the same as someone with autism, a person can have both but they are ultimately different. The thing about mental "disorders" is that they are part of who a person is, you can medicate it and maybe treat it so that the individual in question is better at functioning among other people. But all the drugs in the world and all the therapy sessions will never change the fact, whether it's Asperger's or ADD, that it's part of who you are. Disease implies that it is something a person will eventually get better from, recover from, move on from.

I've also been down that deep dark pit that is depression (more than once), but the difference is I can climb up out of it (if I work at it). Maybe even be free someday. I can't get rid of the ADD (and I don't want to). I'm not going to get better, I can modify my behavior to make someone else more comfortable, but it's not some segmented separate part of my personality. That, in a nutshell, is why I don't think of it as a disease.

But, yes, there are many many assholes in this world and they should all be flogged. :D

Radelaide said:
I'd like to see medical records on this kid (only including his diagnosis) on how severe his "disorder" is. I think the attorney he's using it just using it as an excuse to get his sentence reduced.

Disease probably wasn't the correct term, so I apologise, but it still fits the point.
Only if you assume he can get "better". But yes, I hope his psychiatrist is a good one for that to hold up in court. And it certainly doesn't excuse him being an asshole. We're just going to have disagree on the disease point.
 

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80Maxwell08 said:
Ogargd said:
80Maxwell08 said:
Why does it matter if he goes to prison there or in the US if he's still going in prison anyway?
US prisons are notorious around the world for their poor treatment of prisoners and often harsh sentencing, and the fact that in the US friends and family won't be able to visit him.
So basically the FBI wants to make him suffer for humiliating them.
Putting it like that makes it sounds a bit more acceptable to do =P but due to his mental illness and possible mental fragility I hope they just let him stay in England, ethically speaking.