Demon ID said:
PiotrSkut87 said:
We would just have a lot more Africans who would go on killing themselves in other ways and circumstances. Africa is a completely unfixable situation which if we just left to its own devices everyone involved would be better off. Stupid bleeding hearts who continue to feed the Africans and give them medical care are just causing them to pump out even more kids to continue the cycle of violence, famine, and disease.
Wait, are you calling me a stupid bleeding heart? Because i'm the guy who wants to send in an army to fuck up Robert Mugabe and sort the countries out properly, not just sending over money which the corrupt government officals proceed to take. Unfixable is a very pessimistic view, though when you look at what we are doing now to help (i.e. simply asking "please stop") your very close to realistic. I can understand and empathize with your viewpoint entirely
EDIT: just screwed up the quoting, now fixed.
Yet at the same time, this sort of thinking is what lead to our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan in the first place, IMO. I know what everyone else says, but you'll have to excuse me for not buying it. And I'm also going to say that I don't think our involvement there is what lead to the "messes" over there, but instead lack of foresight in what to do once we "won." In other words, before we started to kick Saddam's ass, we didn't stop and ourselves "What do we do after this?" I know everyone gets angry about the involvement in the first place, but I get annoyed that the twits didn't look 20 years down the line. Or hell, five years down the line. Would 5 years of thinking have hurt? Don't answer that.
And this is the actual failing of modern foreign policy... no, wait, modern leadership... nope, one more time, the Leadership of almost every major nation since the beginning of time. "Oh, I want to implement this idea, and it will be grand or everyone will have puppies and cookies when I'm done." Really? How are you going to pay for it? *silence* "How dare you question me?! Off with your head." OK. And twenty years later (if not sooner) the nation is broke, and the wolves at the door, so that another short sighted twerp with a grand plan tries something similar and it all falls apart again.
As others have pointed out, the 20th century is the epitome of "fix it now" thinking, without worrying about what their children will have to deal with. But that's people for you. Getting them to change is easier said than done.