He said it.DarthLurtz said:I'm pretty sure the reason here is that Modern Warfare and similar games take place in an alternate reality of some sort, with different terrorists and whatnot.
These guys are actually being fought right now, and that's enough of a difference.
I thought that...what a strange conceptNimbus said:Are you telling me that there are Gamestop stores on Military bases? The fuck?
I guess so, it's just that concern for soldiers' freedom of speech isn't the way to be looking at this.AxCx said:Youre preaching to the wrong choir, dude. I know all that. It doesnt make it any less ironic.RebelRising said:Remember people, every military in the history of mankind, is essentially a dictatorship. Just because they carry out the orders of a democracy does not mean that the military itself is a democratic model. Their priorities are cooperation, efficiency, precision, obedience, and optimal results.AxCx said:They do this to honour the soldiers who died defending freedom and the freedom of speech.
Oh, the irony.
Maintaining a strict discipline and a sticking to a centralized ladder of command is what matters to them.
In short: The game doesn't matter, the same rules that apply to us don't apply to them.
Let's consider the alternative: The US Military is pretty much okay with the idea of its own soldiers killing simulated versions of each other using simulated versions of the people trying to kill them. It just looks really bad that way.Deofuta said:Absolutly ridiculous that they are not allowing soldiers to make their own decision when it comes to purchasing a product. Yeah, you just have to go off base to get it, but come on now.
That's exactly what I'm saying. Coddling each soldier's individual rights is not one of the priorities of military bodies; doing so would seriously affect the performance of the group and the execution of the mission.Mornelithe said:Well...militaries wouldn't last very long if every troop was instilled with the value of individuality. They're the sword in the arm of the populace. In that regard, it's not difficult to assume that not every military soldier, would believe in/agree with the conflict they're going into. And since you can't just 'quit' the military, making them think only about the person next to them, covering your ass as well as the brothers next to you on the line etc..., makes perfect sense.RebelRising said:Remember people, every military in the history of mankind, is essentially a dictatorship. Just because they carry out the orders of a democracy does not mean that the military itself is a democratic model. Their priorities are cooperation, efficiency, precision, obedience, and optimal results.AxCx said:They do this to honour the soldiers who died defending freedom and the freedom of speech.
Oh, the irony.
Maintaining a strict discipline and a sticking to a centralized ladder of command is what matters to them.
In short: The game doesn't matter, the same rules that apply to us don't apply to them.
It's definitely a dictatorship, for sure, but the reasoning behind it is fairly sound.
These are military bases in places like Germany, the UK, Japan, Turkey, and South Korea. This isn't a Gamestop hunkered down in the middle of Baghdad, riddled with bullet holes and about to collapse from mortar fire. This is a forward operational base where soldiers are stationed to enhance the US Military's power projection capability - they're there so we can respond to just about anything as quickly as possible. It's also easier to fly injured soldiers from Afghanistan to, say, Germany, than it is to fly them all the way back to the USA.Vanguard_Ex said:I thought that...what a strange conceptNimbus said:Are you telling me that there are Gamestop stores on Military bases? The fuck?
On the one hand I think this sounds like a reasonable enough move...on the other hand, as other users have said, these are grown men and women who can decide for themselves.
Most large military objects provide accommodation not only to soldiers but also their families. Most of them can even be considered towns (if not cities).Nimbus said:Are you telling me that there are Gamestop stores on Military bases? The fuck?
Okay. That wasn't clear to me. Chillax.AxCx said:Where did I mention any shred of concern for a soldiers freedom of speech? I dont give a fuck, a soldier knows what he is signing up for.RebelRising said:I guess so, it's just that concern for soldiers' freedom of speech isn't the way to be looking at this.AxCx said:Youre preaching to the wrong choir, dude. I know all that. It doesnt make it any less ironic.RebelRising said:Remember people, every military in the history of mankind, is essentially a dictatorship. Just because they carry out the orders of a democracy does not mean that the military itself is a democratic model. Their priorities are cooperation, efficiency, precision, obedience, and optimal results.AxCx said:They do this to honour the soldiers who died defending freedom and the freedom of speech.
Oh, the irony.
Maintaining a strict discipline and a sticking to a centralized ladder of command is what matters to them.
In short: The game doesn't matter, the same rules that apply to us don't apply to them.
The irony is still blinding. Thats all im saying. Please, get that into your head, thank you.
Well of course it isn't riddled with bullet holes and about to collapse, christ knows how you managed to draw that from what I said.Jiefu said:These are military bases in places like Germany, the UK, Japan, Turkey, and South Korea. This isn't a Gamestop hunkered down in the middle of Baghdad, riddled with bullet holes and about to collapse from mortar fire. This is a forward operational base where soldiers are stationed to enhance the US Military's power projection capability - they're there so we can respond to just about anything as quickly as possible. It's also easier to fly injured soldiers from Afghanistan to, say, Germany, than it is to fly them all the way back to the USA.Vanguard_Ex said:I thought that...what a strange conceptNimbus said:Are you telling me that there are Gamestop stores on Military bases? The fuck?
On the one hand I think this sounds like a reasonable enough move...on the other hand, as other users have said, these are grown men and women who can decide for themselves.
Soldiers, more than anyone, need downtime, or they'll snap... and instead of pouring their coffee on their boss's desk, they have an automatic weapon. Life on a military base is actually surprisingly normalized.
Somehow...subject_87 said:As Graham puts it, 'Is Americans killing other Americans better somehow?'