Well the old adage that the content will remain silent while the peeved will make a commotion is also relevant, to this sort of news.PoolCleaningRobot said:
Ubisoft Says Gamers Are "Starving" for Next-Gen
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Because Ubisoft are making the Xbox720/Playstation 4.Vivi22 said:
I wouldn't say I am in demand for the next gen consoles, but it would be nice to see an upgrade in video games for my console. I don't like spending lots of money continually upgrading a computer every year or so, and I don't enjoy playing games on a computer screen. So the next generation is actually a good sign for me, I'm interested in what they're going to bring out. New generation, clean slate.
No we are not. Nobody cares to pay another 800 on an overpriced, fragile, overrated computer that will just be another 150 dollar console after about 5 years or so.
I made the mistake of buying a ps3 when the price was high because I thought I was paying for quality. They reduced the price not long after and after playing both 360 and ps3 it became obvious I just paid more than double for the same game console with a blu ray player and games freezing more.
I made the mistake of buying a ps3 when the price was high because I thought I was paying for quality. They reduced the price not long after and after playing both 360 and ps3 it became obvious I just paid more than double for the same game console with a blu ray player and games freezing more.
Funny, I don't think a lot of people responding are the target audience. There are a lot of hardcore gamers on here. But the casual gamer that isn't constrained by cash, does like the latest toys. They don't drive 8 year old cars, don't watch 8 year old tvs, PCs get upgraded every 4 years or so. There is a market, and I dare say a big market for the new consule. The current teens buying an xbox are probably fine, but the market is somewhat saturated, where as you could grab millions of new hardware clients pretty quickly. Thing mobile phones, does the newest Android or IPhone do much more than LAST YEARS?
I can't help but suspect that the motive behind the big 'social media connection' push, particularly with the PS4, is an attempt to revolutionize profit margins by bringing a massive influx of non-gamers into the hobby.
Specifically, a lot more women. Categorically speaking, the only "video games" we consistently play in significant statistical numbers are social media games. Maybe they're hoping to reverse engineer more women into the fold? The same concept also holds for Millenials in general regardless of sex, who can't stand being unplugged from social media for any length of time. Apparently even the time spent on a console.
Who knows...maybe that could happen, even if that isn't an actual projected goal. But it won't work for the female side until some of the obvious problems with games (and the gaming community by extension) have been worked out first.
Specifically, a lot more women. Categorically speaking, the only "video games" we consistently play in significant statistical numbers are social media games. Maybe they're hoping to reverse engineer more women into the fold? The same concept also holds for Millenials in general regardless of sex, who can't stand being unplugged from social media for any length of time. Apparently even the time spent on a console.
Who knows...maybe that could happen, even if that isn't an actual projected goal. But it won't work for the female side until some of the obvious problems with games (and the gaming community by extension) have been worked out first.
Your meaning was clear, you're unhappy with what Ubisoft have been doing, but you do need to clarify what about this post angers you, otherwise there is no context. What about that statement made you annoyed? The fact that they want the next gen? The fact that they're saying consumers want the next gen? Are you annoyed that they are trying to justify moving forward? It could also be interpreted that you were assuming that Ubisoft had some part in the next gen consoles. By simply writing, "Hey, Ubisoft already makes up whatever bull they want to justify everything they do so why stop now?" it can be confusing, even with the article right above. Clarify what about this statement is bullshit, and what part they are making up to justify wanting the progression of consoles.Vivi22 said:
I'm starving for more devs to be able to more easily develop shit on consoles so I can have a more interesting library to choose from with, hopefully, more creative work.
I'm starving to not get games with astronomical production costs rammed down my throat. Or worse, reboots of shit that I might be willing to look into being called a failure because it can't match the astronomical expectations that the dev costs forced. Actually, I'm starving to not have any more shitty, vanilla-fying of games that I used to love (or at least enjoy watching others play, like Thief).
I'm starving for motherfuckers to come up with cool and fun things, and for development costs to get under control so cool and fun stuff can be experimented with. I mean, in this climate, can we every expect some shit like Kagero: The Deception to be made again? And that's not even a game I like, but there's nothing like it and it's unlikely to happen again because there's too much cash and restriction in the process.
I'm starving to not get games with astronomical production costs rammed down my throat. Or worse, reboots of shit that I might be willing to look into being called a failure because it can't match the astronomical expectations that the dev costs forced. Actually, I'm starving to not have any more shitty, vanilla-fying of games that I used to love (or at least enjoy watching others play, like Thief).
I'm starving for motherfuckers to come up with cool and fun things, and for development costs to get under control so cool and fun stuff can be experimented with. I mean, in this climate, can we every expect some shit like Kagero: The Deception to be made again? And that's not even a game I like, but there's nothing like it and it's unlikely to happen again because there's too much cash and restriction in the process.
I don't feel starved. Actually, i feel rather confused. Next generation will have "share" buttons, always online connectivity and some more social media and copy protection stuff i don't need, want or care about. Brought upon us by oblivious "everything is always online nowadays" executives with their Heads so far up the clouds they might be sniffing Farts of the ISS Crew.
And i'm supposed to be excited for that?
I feel reminded of the cellphone market. I have one of the ye olde android smartphone with an 800mhz cpu and it's barely working. Actually, i had a smoother experience with my Amiga 500 with an 8 mhz cpu.
"Get a new Phone!" my Friends say. Sure, get a new flimsy overpriced device with impressive specs with apps that wont use the power very efficiently and drain the battery in a day.
And i'm supposed to be excited for that?
I feel reminded of the cellphone market. I have one of the ye olde android smartphone with an 800mhz cpu and it's barely working. Actually, i had a smoother experience with my Amiga 500 with an 8 mhz cpu.
"Get a new Phone!" my Friends say. Sure, get a new flimsy overpriced device with impressive specs with apps that wont use the power very efficiently and drain the battery in a day.
In short, people with full-time jobs and expendable cash.Whytewulf said:
Perhaps this is one why I'm so eager for a new system. I've had my PS3 for around half a decade now and I'm ready for an upgrade. $400-$600 wouldn't make me flinch considering the amount of use I've gotten out of my ps3 and other consoles/pc. Now just to see what Microsoft has to offer to decide if I want their stuff too. The WiiU may be the first Nintendo system I pass up. Sad.
Either way, I saw Skyrim scraping the bottom of PS3's capabilities (limited by the silly design of their processors and how they process asset categories) and know that developers are capable of more. I don't think we need games left and right that look a lot better than what we currently see getting put out on the current gen systems. Hell, games from 2005 are actually still playable (Bioshock, Oblivion). That hadn't been as possible in the previous decades. But I certainly want to stop tying developers hands if they want to innovate graphically.
Frankly, each of these statements made by *snrk* "industry leaders" means that down the line I have to listen to somebody go on about how we're being held back by our current tech.
This might have been the situation back when we were playing with blocks, but even then they STILL made some pretty sweet games, even with the limitations. Hell, you could argue that some of them were actually made stronger BECAUSE instead of focusing on dumb shit that didn't have anything to do with the game's overall design plan, they were forced to compress every moment of the game into a focused effort to deliver entertainment.
if anything, the experience with THIS current gen should have meant that the games would be INCREASING in quality
it's not like opposite world where experience is immediately gained from having new tech that you need to relearn
but developers instead choose to sit on their hands or not actually invest any kind of thought into games because they have to spend both time and money on the new systems which we're not exactly STARVING for as much as actual content, that doesn't come from writing larger numbers on the graphics cards that in a few years will be deemed equally inadequate for making games that people actually think are fun and blame the same hardware for the sins of the previous generation
most of the lack of gameness (yes that is a word that I am using now) stems from butt decisions from butts that are in charge of the game from start to finish
and because of those butts, you're gonna have to shell out hundreds of dollars for what basically amounts to a minor upgrade, the largest difference to actual gameplay being made is the RAM upgrade, which is the LEAST expensive modification you can make to today's hardware
and more RAM does NOT guarantee that people will suddenly get better at writing, or designing games that make goddamn sense
i mean, look at this Ubisoft guy's speech, it's just filled with utter nonsense. people who want to DECIDE what their entertainment options are would build their own computer. people who listen to a man drivel about meaningless stuff that doesn't even relate to playing video games anymore buy a premade plastic box with everything done the way the company says so, and has the games the company decides to carry
are these the people who you want deciding what you can like and not like?
This might have been the situation back when we were playing with blocks, but even then they STILL made some pretty sweet games, even with the limitations. Hell, you could argue that some of them were actually made stronger BECAUSE instead of focusing on dumb shit that didn't have anything to do with the game's overall design plan, they were forced to compress every moment of the game into a focused effort to deliver entertainment.
if anything, the experience with THIS current gen should have meant that the games would be INCREASING in quality
it's not like opposite world where experience is immediately gained from having new tech that you need to relearn
but developers instead choose to sit on their hands or not actually invest any kind of thought into games because they have to spend both time and money on the new systems which we're not exactly STARVING for as much as actual content, that doesn't come from writing larger numbers on the graphics cards that in a few years will be deemed equally inadequate for making games that people actually think are fun and blame the same hardware for the sins of the previous generation
most of the lack of gameness (yes that is a word that I am using now) stems from butt decisions from butts that are in charge of the game from start to finish
and because of those butts, you're gonna have to shell out hundreds of dollars for what basically amounts to a minor upgrade, the largest difference to actual gameplay being made is the RAM upgrade, which is the LEAST expensive modification you can make to today's hardware
and more RAM does NOT guarantee that people will suddenly get better at writing, or designing games that make goddamn sense
i mean, look at this Ubisoft guy's speech, it's just filled with utter nonsense. people who want to DECIDE what their entertainment options are would build their own computer. people who listen to a man drivel about meaningless stuff that doesn't even relate to playing video games anymore buy a premade plastic box with everything done the way the company says so, and has the games the company decides to carry
are these the people who you want deciding what you can like and not like?
Make no mistake, we are being graphically constrained by tech. It is happening and developers are having to work to fit more in a smaller box with current gen tech. They're pretty good at it too. The PS3, for example, forces developers to break up assets into specific categories in ways that makes development particularly difficult for the system as assets get ever larger (and some assets are meant to persist and sometimes bloat). If any asset category gets too big then the ps3 will actually crash and we saw this happening for the first 5 months after the launch of the ps3 version of Skyrim until the right patches came through. The 360 was also put to task by such a large game but handled it a lot better without that asset constraint. But any kind of sequel would have to be limited to almost exactly the same overall size to fit on the current gen. It's companies like Bethesda that I certainly don't want to tie the hands of. They make huge and vibrant worlds to be explored and more power only suits them.weirdguy said:
But at the same time, you're absolutely right that being constrained graphically has NOTHING to do with storytelling. Regardless, there's nothing wrong with making a more vibrant, intuitive and realistic world to tell those stories in. If a story is going to be crappy, it might as well be in a pretty setting. If a story is going to be great, it does no harm to make the environment beautiful as well. It may serve to immerse and impress all the more.
As I said in my first post in this thread. I look forward to a time when making a beautiful game is easy. When new game engines that are rolled out and put in the hands of even smaller developers make this stuff common place, then games will live or die on stories and plots and the enjoyment of the gaming mechanisms. When beauty becomes the norm, graphics start to get out of the way. Everyone benefits from that.
An easy example is this, many of us love/loved final fantasy VII. I can still imagine the musical scores in my mind (I'd better be able to, all those hours I spent grinding levels and materia). Wouldn't that game have been a bit cooler, a bit flashier, a bit more immersive if the environment was created with today's technology? I think so and part of it's excitement was just how innovative and new the title felt. How graphically advanced it was at the time went a long way to stun audiences. That opening scene that they remade recently? That looked just as cool to us then as the remake looked to us when it came out. If you can clearly remember some of the low polygon-esque scenes, you may agree with me here. The game still had a great story with great story elements and graphics can't take that away. But they can certainly augment the storytelling.
Another thought, consider that this next generation will likely involve a virtual reality element with products like the Oculus Rift coming out. That would open up an entirely new world of gaming where the entire game really is about exploring a new and alien world.
As a gamer who does not even play on consoles, yes I am in fact extremely eager for the next console generation. I still believe it is long overdue and should have come about at least three years ago. I am tired of limited, simplified, lacklustre console ports on my PC and am looking forward to larger game worlds, better AI, higher quality textures and shading, and the general all-round improvement in areas that have been held back by console limitations for years. I sincerely hope that Sony and Microsoft already have people starting to plan for the generation to follow as well, I don't want gaming to get stuck at PS4/Xbox-whatever level for most of the next decade. The PS5 and its brethren ought to be ready for release in five years or fewer to keep games advancing at a reasonable clip.
Gamers say Ubisoft is Starving for Next-Gen
There. Fixed.
There's no need to pin this on the market.
I know you are damn scared of backlash (and piracy) from PC gamers, and that your current business model isn't sustainable without consoles. But it's OK, there's nothing wrong with that. Just be honest about it rather than trying to speak for everyone.
There. Fixed.
There's no need to pin this on the market.
I know you are damn scared of backlash (and piracy) from PC gamers, and that your current business model isn't sustainable without consoles. But it's OK, there's nothing wrong with that. Just be honest about it rather than trying to speak for everyone.
Wouldn't so much say I'm hungry but I am curious as to what it will bring. I remember the leap from the original xbox to seeing the graphical and gameplay capabilities of the 360 and PS3 and I was awestruck. Even current games I get struck with awe upon viewing but it does seem clear that they've pushed this hardware to its limits. The hardware in these consoles are about six to seven, they can only do so much.
I feel these limitations are holding back progression. Seems a lot here don't agree with that, content with staying with how things are. Myself, I'm not, guess I'm just one of those people that likes to see things evolve and progress. Its been, what? seven years? and we've seen what the current gen hardware can do when pushed to it's limits. Now we get to see an upgraded console that could possibly have games that pushed the current gens limits as just the starting line up, the launch titles ect... Then we've got maybe another six years to see how far we can push this next set of consoles.
Me'h maybe it's just me, but I find it all rather interesting. Would I say starved? not really, I can wait a little longer, however that doesn't change the fact that I am, indeed, excited about all this and can't wait to see what these next consoles hold for the future of gaming.
I feel these limitations are holding back progression. Seems a lot here don't agree with that, content with staying with how things are. Myself, I'm not, guess I'm just one of those people that likes to see things evolve and progress. Its been, what? seven years? and we've seen what the current gen hardware can do when pushed to it's limits. Now we get to see an upgraded console that could possibly have games that pushed the current gens limits as just the starting line up, the launch titles ect... Then we've got maybe another six years to see how far we can push this next set of consoles.
Me'h maybe it's just me, but I find it all rather interesting. Would I say starved? not really, I can wait a little longer, however that doesn't change the fact that I am, indeed, excited about all this and can't wait to see what these next consoles hold for the future of gaming.
Okay, yes, our graphics aren't top of the board.Lightknight said:
but when you look at today's games, is the main ISSUE that we see that the game looks like crap purely based on the graphical power, or is it because of glaring design issues that should have really never seen the light of day?
to focus on the graphical limitations and throw all your money behind that, instead of say, fostering actual development of the medium, is the hugest mistake I see approaching us
frankly, I'd rather have the game be piss ugly if they can make it exciting AS A GAME. what we are doing here is choosing to sacrifice an honest review of the game industry for flashiness
and i can't endorse that
you know what i remember?
i don't remember ff7 even for what it did, and how much i enjoyed it
i remember ff6, and how much more it was capable of without having it be a graphics showcase
But of course it's design issues - hardware design issues. Even if you don't see the need of upgrade, I can assure you that significant part of production costs, bugs and other problems is based on PS3/Xbox360/PC compatibility issues. Next gen is probably all x64 based, so this problem is like "puff" - gone.weirdguy said: