UK Music Pirates "Can't Be Forced Offline"

Woodsey

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Dahni said:
I don't care if the record labels are making less money because of piracy - they're dicks. They're only interested in the money to be squeezed from bands and will make a band change their sound to suit what the mass majority want. Bands get a relatively small amount of money from CD sales and if the band I love isn't going to benefit much from me spending most of my weekly income on a CD (which is £30 right now), then I'm not going to buy the CD.
Can you even comprehend the irony in that?
 

Sevre

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Amnestic said:
Sevre90210 said:
So basically pirates in the UK can't be touched? Hmm, you know by posting this thread you may have converted so many brits to piracy.
Just because you can get away with a crime doesn't mean you will commit it.
But we can agree that you would be more likely to commit it when there are no consequences. Lets not have a repeat of yesterday.
 

Dahni

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Woodsey said:
Dahni said:
I don't care if the record labels are making less money because of piracy - they're dicks. They're only interested in the money to be squeezed from bands and will make a band change their sound to suit what the mass majority want. Bands get a relatively small amount of money from CD sales and if the band I love isn't going to benefit much from me spending most of my weekly income on a CD (which is £30 right now), then I'm not going to buy the CD.
Can you even comprehend the irony in that?
yes, yes i can.
although, bands rarely ever rely on album sales to make money for themselves. if i'm gonna buy a CD, I buy it from the band themselves at a gig, that way there's more money going to the actual band. I go to gigs and I buy merch, that is where the bands get their money from. Plus, I tend to like smaller more unknown bands so there's no reviews of them so to listen to a full album, i can't go onto spotify and search for it, and their myspace only has two or three songs up. If I was to go buy their album and it turned out that all of it except the two on myspace were absolute balls, i'd want my money back.
I'd rather download the album, listen to it a few times and if I really like it, I'll go see them live, buy their merch + buy the CD at the gig, so there's no store making profits on it.
 

Woodsey

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Dahni said:
Woodsey said:
Dahni said:
I don't care if the record labels are making less money because of piracy - they're dicks. They're only interested in the money to be squeezed from bands and will make a band change their sound to suit what the mass majority want. Bands get a relatively small amount of money from CD sales and if the band I love isn't going to benefit much from me spending most of my weekly income on a CD (which is £30 right now), then I'm not going to buy the CD.
Can you even comprehend the irony in that?
yes, yes i can.
although, bands rarely ever rely on album sales to make money for themselves. if i'm gonna buy a CD, I buy it from the band themselves at a gig, that way there's more money going to the actual band. I go to gigs and I buy merch, that is where the bands get their money from. Plus, I tend to like smaller more unknown bands so there's no reviews of them so to listen to a full album, i can't go onto spotify and search for it, and their myspace only has two or three songs up. If I was to go buy their album and it turned out that all of it except the two on myspace were absolute balls, i'd want my money back.
I'd rather download the album, listen to it a few times and if I really like it, I'll go see them live, buy their merch + buy the CD at the gig, so there's no store making profits on it.
You didn't say store, you said record label. Record labels will get a cut from everything. Or most things at least.
 

Dahni

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Woodsey said:
Dahni said:
Woodsey said:
Dahni said:
I don't care if the record labels are making less money because of piracy - they're dicks. They're only interested in the money to be squeezed from bands and will make a band change their sound to suit what the mass majority want. Bands get a relatively small amount of money from CD sales and if the band I love isn't going to benefit much from me spending most of my weekly income on a CD (which is £30 right now), then I'm not going to buy the CD.
Can you even comprehend the irony in that?
yes, yes i can.
although, bands rarely ever rely on album sales to make money for themselves. if i'm gonna buy a CD, I buy it from the band themselves at a gig, that way there's more money going to the actual band. I go to gigs and I buy merch, that is where the bands get their money from. Plus, I tend to like smaller more unknown bands so there's no reviews of them so to listen to a full album, i can't go onto spotify and search for it, and their myspace only has two or three songs up. If I was to go buy their album and it turned out that all of it except the two on myspace were absolute balls, i'd want my money back.
I'd rather download the album, listen to it a few times and if I really like it, I'll go see them live, buy their merch + buy the CD at the gig, so there's no store making profits on it.
You didn't say store, you said record label. Record labels will get a cut from everything. Or most things at least.

i mean store in that particular sentence.
record labels get a cut of everything, i know that.
but if i was to buy the CD from HMV or somewhere like that, there's the label's cut, then the store's cut, then any variable costs due to production of the CD are covered, then whatever's left goes to covering the fixed costs associated with the making of the CD. Once there has been enough sales, fixed costs are covered so whatever is left that would have otherwise went towards fixed costs, gets paid to the band. & it usually ends up being a tiny proportion of whatever the CD was selling for. Which then get divided between the band so each member gets even less.
 

Kaymish

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once you get on this slippery slope where you can silence people on the net where dose it stop first its the pirates and i suppose that is not so bad but then its those pesky religious cultists maybe not as bad we thought environmentalists who don't want baby whales to get killed maybe who wants to protect something we can exploit then its the free speech activists who are the real enemies once they are gone who can we censor next? i know those pesky media people who refuse to broadcast what we order them to

while piracy is a sensitive issue and both sides of the argument have merits being able to ban people from the net weather they can afford a connection or not is a very bad place to be the internet is a tool for information any restriction which gives some one the ability to cut people out for something that is not well defined in the law weather its sharing/"theft" of music films whatever or sharing ideas among others is asking for abuse this is not just about music pirating this is a wider issue of internet censorship
 

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i'd be rather glad 7 million people are stealing the soap. the last thing i want is a used bar of soap when i stay at a hotel!
That is solid gold.
 

Therumancer

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Well having worked Hotel Security for Casinos I'll say that losing bars of soap, bottles of shampoo, etc... is all considered. In fact we throw used bars of soap away (as a biohazard) if they are left behind simply because nobody wants to use the same bar of soap some other dude was using (and who knows what he did with it). That's all part of the business (as people have pointed out). Now if someone nicks a box of soap bars from an open housekeeping closet... well that's something else entirely.

As far as the music industry goes, I tend to chalk it up to "epic lulz" all around.

The reason being is that it seems to me that the music industry is both being unreasonably greedy, and also when it comes to some of the performers themselves a lot of them are basically washed up and after a pay day because they partied away all their cash and have nothing to live on.

I say this because sometimes I've sat down and thought about how many times I've ultimatly paid for the same song one way or another. Or even more dramatically how much my parents have paid for some of their favorite music from the 1960s and 1970s over the years, and ironically those are the guys who are crying the loudest it seems.

What's more I'm one of those people who look at things from the perspective of consumer rights as well, and tend not to be shy when I feel an industry is being unfair towards the rights of it's consumers.

It's like this, I'm all for paying for an Albumn, Cassette, CD, or whatever else. But once you've done so, I kind of feel you own the rights to that song. One of the issues for example I disagree with is that people scream if you say decide to transfer media on your own. For example if you want to take a CD you bought and transfer the music to a digital format for your digital players. The Music Industry will for example claim you should have to pay seperatly for each format (ie they can re-charge you every time tech increases) but by the same token in many cases I don't think users ever agreed to that, especially if you say follow something back to someone who purchused a song on Albumn or 8 Track or whatever before people even saw this kind of thing coming.

Now, when it comes to buying songs seperatly for a game like "Guitar Hero" I see things a bit differantly because your no longer just listening to the song, and are paying to basically "play" the song in your game which is a bit differant.

However when it comes to someone whining about how you bought a song and don't want to pay again to get the same song to play through your computer or iPod or whatever I am considerably less sympathetic. That's just pure greed. I'd even go so far as to say that with old music if someone is busted for DLing a pirate MP3 or whatever the ultimate defense would be like pulling out a copy of say the original Vinyl and making it clear that your one of the guys who made that bad successful to begin with (though this mostly applies to like my parents who generally won't admit anything is music unless it's at least like 25+ years old). :p

What's more even recently I look at games I've picked up like "Brutal Legend", or heck even "Saint's Row 2" or "Grand Theft Auto IV" or whatever. When I bought those games I don't remember even having gone through the pretensions of an EULA saying I wouldn't do anything with that music. I have no desire to, but say if I wanted to find a way to transfer the soundtrack from say Brutal Legend to direct aural interface technology whenever such a thing appears (ie next gen, whenever it appears), I'd actually feel I was fully within my rights.

Now yes, they are mostly after people who are burning copies of songs and selling them for money, but in general when you follow things to their logical conclusion they are basically defending the right to eventually start having the police kick doors open if you don't re-pay for the same songs in each new technological upgrade. To an extent I think that's just getting greedy.
 

GamingAwesome1

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Meh I don't give two fucks about most bands earning money, the popular ones make shit tons anyway, it's not like them not having enough money to buy diamond encrusted instruments because of piracy does fuck all to the rest of us.