- Sep 28, 2009
I'm not arguing against her speaking out being wrong. If the plea agreement was in place she broke the law. It sucks but it's the law. What I am trying to understand from you is why you think the assault was mostly her fault. The steps up to the assault are on her. Getting assaulted and having her pictures spread around like baseball cards is not.viranimus said:Again... your inferring your own meaning. Did I say at any time these kids were not at fault? No. These kids are being punished for their fault in the event.Hirumakage said:Ok, so how is the burden of responsibility put on her? How are the attackers not at fault? I'm trying to understand what you are trying to say, but I keep seeing you say the same things. If I go to a party I expect to have fun and if I over indulge and end up passed out that's my fault. What's not my fault is that two jerks decide to have their way with my unconscious body. That is totally on them. If you were assaulted because you passed out, would you say it's all your fault? That the attackers were just doing the right thing because other people around them were having consensual sex? No, just no.
Yes... If I passed out in a dark NYC alley... I would expect to be robbed, beaten, pissed on by local bums and even worse. Thats why I dont go into NYC alleys.
So let me make sure I understand you. We forgive a girl who made a mistake while under sober and stable mind by going to a party that would be known to have drink, drugs and sex before becoming intoxicated and absolve her own poor unaffected judgement, but we condemn the decisions of two teenage guys who also made a poor decision but likely did so while they too were under the influence of alcohol.
Do you understand where the problem is now?
So is there some sort of indication that A: these kids just happened upon her in this drunken state? B: they themselves were not also intoxicated? C: this whole thing didnt happen because she helped initiate the whole exchange but it quickly changed into something else as she blacked out. And as it didnt go down like she wanted she cries rape with little or no evidence and then gets pissy when she cried
rapeSexual assault to an unsatisfactory conclusion, she in turn tries to take to the law of public opinion instead of respecting the legal agreement her guardians agreed to.
Remember a plea agreement is still an agreement. That means her guardians/parents had to sign off on this agreement or else there had been a trial. If they signed off on it, it means their case is not strong enough on its own merits to secure a conviction. They agreed to it to give her some sense of justice by punishing the boys, and not have to wade through a trial that would have likely seen the boys go free.
I did not know the guys were also drunk, but to be drunk enough to assault someone and then take pictures is still very wrong. And know I don't know the exact circumstance leading up to it, but as the story progress we'll find out. I hope she's not being false about what happened, but for now I deal with the facts that I am given.
Your analogy of an ally seems a bit off. I don't go to party in an empty ally and pass out because it's a dangerous place. I would go partying at a club or a friend's house because it's much more safe. Just saying