United Arab Emirates Bans Dead Rising 2

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DTWolfwood said:
Its not like gamers there can complain about it. Shit they live there, life already sux if they haven't been brainwashed into hating the west and Israel.

Best they can hope for is someone in the family who got out and lives in a secular country who can buy them a copy to be shipped to them. Otherwise, this is a non-news.
You're the one who's brainwashed if you think life sucks in the UAE, top professionals all over the globe jump at the chance to work there, maybe they're all brainwashed too?
 

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SteelStallion said:
lol, no. You can order them by mail, it's just the big "major" stores that don't have them in stock. It's more of a public appeal kind of law than anything else. "Yes we care about the Muslim populace and we respect the country's values and so the games are banned" is basically all it is, which is enough for most people that actually care.
Thanks. I wondered if that was what it was.
 

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Having grown up in the middle east, this dosen't strike me as news at all. If there was a new article every time a game was banned in a middle eastern company... well you'd need a whole new website.

I grew up there; Censorship is rampant. Piracy is rampant, so people play it anyway.
 

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It's all a Zionist plot, to prevent good wholesome Muslims from developing zombie killing skills in time for the inevitable apocalypse!
 

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Colonel Alzheimer said:
Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
Aversions to violence, gambling, nudity and alcohol are just part of the societal norm among the electorate of the UAE. Some of that derives from the state religion, but I'm not sure there's any reason to think that religion is behind the decision to ban this game.

Like we generally don't go to work on the sabbath. That's not a rule that we follow because it's one of the ten commandments. We just do it because it's become the norm, regardless of how it originated.

ciortas1 said:
Yeah well, what I meant is that, of course, there are exceptions to every imaginable generalization/stereotype, but for the most part, it is true, and it is fucking sad.
But the generalisation [that religion is not separate from government] applies nearly as much to the West as it does to the East.
 

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Erm.. I own all these games. I bought them all in virgin in Dubai in the main mall. I don't know of any shops that don't stock or order it. These are not in any way under the table deals, nor with shady companies. I don't actually understand wtf people are talking about.

I said the same thing when the news said we banned facebook, and pokemon. (There are only two ISPs, I could get on Facebook from work (Du) and home (Etisalat), thus covering ALL ISPs. I never had any interruption.)

My brother owns every Pokemon DVD and a hell of a lot of cards, and even Pokemon bedsheets when they were telling me it couldn't be bought "in the UAE".

Between me and my brother, we have every one of these except Origins. (Which admittedly I got in the UK). Do you just mean Sharjah (the UAE's version of Alabama) has banned it?

Also, as for separation of church and state, there is such a thing in Islam, it just doesn't take the Turkish or French form. Half the reason you have separation of church and state is the Islamic concept of religious rulings and secular rulings being separate which you looked at when the middle east was teaching you medicine, chemistry, philosophy and algebra (Wiki Islamic Golden age). This developed into your modern concept of separation of church and state.
This is awesome, thanks for sharing, Baalthazaq. But if there is no banning then why did ME Gamer report that there was? What did they mean?

Greg
 

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Tiamat666 said:
oranger said:
Colonel Alzheimer said:
Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
You'd have to look veeery hard, anywhere, for that. Switzerland maybe?
Actually, some of the countries with the strictest secularism are France, China and Turkey - an islamic country.

Oh, someone beat me to it.
Depends on what your definition of religion entails. The official religion of the PRC is the state. Dunno about the other two, I never cared for EU history and I don't know much about turkey. Gonna look it up right this second.
 

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And the 21st century flies over the head of another Islamic nation. Pity; the UAE is full of smart cookies. Religious conservatism ruins everything again.
 

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It's a shame. They'll miss out on wailing on a zombie with a broadsword, or a home-made flamethrower, or a lightsabre. Hell, anything in that game that makes it fun (which is everything).
 

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I'm going to the other side of the room away from the religious aspects of this argument to discuss something else about this story. How could they possibly neuter this game to make it appeal to these countries? We're talking about killing zombies... you couldn't even challenge them to a pants off dance off to defeat them! So if you take out the violence, blood, nudity and alcohol... what is left? A guy running around in Vegas with a bunch of infected people that he can do nothing about. I guess if you made it like Mirror's Edge where you spend the entire game avoiding the zombies, you might be able to release this game. Granted, it would be a pain in the ass to have it span more than a few levels, unless they got really creative about aversion in the game, but I doubt anyone would want to play that.
 

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Clearly, you have never been to the UAE, or the Middle East. There are not the same freedoms we have, and its not like there is freedom of choice. Pretty much, if they are raised that way, thats how it stays, rarely are they objectional to their culture, without risk of being...cleansed...sometimes to death. The UAE is not so bad, but, I wouldnt count out the possibility. Also, when I was there a couple years back, I was able to get PS3/360 games weeks earlier than any other country, I had Resistance 2 a full month before stateside people did.
 

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SimpleReally said:
DTWolfwood said:
Its not like gamers there can complain about it. Shit they live there, life already sux if they haven't been brainwashed into hating the west and Israel.

Best they can hope for is someone in the family who got out and lives in a secular country who can buy them a copy to be shipped to them. Otherwise, this is a non-news.
You're the one who's brainwashed if you think life sucks in the UAE, top professionals all over the globe jump at the chance to work there, maybe they're all brainwashed too?
Work there is great i agree, shit i would love to work there too. They have some serious money to throw around. For tourist traps like Dubai its probably great to live there too, assuming you can afford it. The UAE is quite the secular nation from all outwards appearances and they are courting the western nations because they have the foresight to see that oil wealth will not sustain them forever.

But at what point did i say anything about foreigners being brainwashed? I thought i was obvious in my implications that this for those born and raised as muslims in the UAE. Having spoken with gamers on Teamspeak who are born and raised there, the awkward conversations that would happen when anyone mentions anything about the military or religion in general most definitely leads me to believe they are not as progressive as their outward appearance would suggest. (i.e. I had mention Hezbollah once and dear god you wouldn't believe the praise and rampant condemnation of Irael that came forth. When I asked if they ever consider that the air-strikes were self-defense, they damn near chewed me out.)

Knowing that, for anyone who isn't a devout muslim living in the UAE and is actually a gamer, this piece of news isn't news. Games with sin city as the backdrop being banned there ISN'T NEWSWORTHY. what would be if they didn't ban the game. So yeah it does suck to live there if you game and hasnt been brainwashed :p
 

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Greg Tito said:
Baalthazaq said:
This is awesome, thanks for sharing, Baalthazaq. But if there is no banning then why did ME Gamer report that there was? What did they mean?

Greg
I actually don't know. I *know* the Pokemon thing was Sharjah. I know Origins was actually banned countrywide (Messiah was censored if anyone remembers that game, but even that was available).

I don't actually have Dead Rising 2, but I'll go to the store and see what they say on Thursday. I was talking about the list of games it joined.
"Mass Effect 2, Red Dead Redemption, Mafia II". Origins I got when I was in the UK. I'll also ask about the other titles and see if they got banned after I bought them.