University Videogame Will Teach Girls to Say "No" to Sex

[Racecarlock]

Sex is STILL sex. That's the problem here. Remember, this is targeted at PRE-TEENS! 12 year olds. condoms of no condoms, that just ain't right.

I think a FAR more effective tactic is to scare the living shit out of the 12 year old BOYS who are fucking around at way too young an age. Educating girls just strikes me as similar to how certain cultures have women wear veils to "prevent men acting out over women's looks".

How about raising males to not be such lecherous perverts? So that they can actually wait till a girl is of legal age before even ASKING!

What happened to being a gentleman?

Oh sure, the old "Males are out of control rapist murderers!" defense. Which gender is the term "slut" most commonly applied to? Women. In all fairness, both genders are sex crazed and hormonal. Seriously though, some of these people say "We want less government controlling our lives!" then they turn around and say "Help me with my nutty child, government!". It's ridiculous. I seriously never thought humanity would get this afraid of it's own reproductive system. You never see dogs or cats teaching abstinence to the puppies and kittens.

(it's a straw man argument to turn around my statement "that guys are too lecherous" to be "guys are all rapists". I didn't say that, Lechery and Rape are VERY different.)

"Which gender is the term "slut" most commonly applied to?"

Applied to women... BY MALES!

The "she's a slut" is an old yet surprisingly powerful excuse for disrespecting women to the extent of exclusion and bullying if they don't fit into the norm of being open for easy sex. That's not rape, but couldn't girls hang out with guys without the pressure that she has to shack up with one or two of them?

Look, most women REALLY aren't trying to be a tease when guys find their attention drawn to a girl. Guys need to get this perception out of their head that just because they find a girl attractive that is to be interpreted as an invitation to flirtation. It is so rarely explored in media, usually character finds girl sexy 90% of the time she's totally geared for it.

Yes, teenagers are hormonal and sex is on their mind... but it's a cop-out to say that then nothing can/should be done about it. Obviously a great first step is to stop them actually having under-age sex and while education of women is great, it's no use without also for some good old fashioned discipline. Teach those boys to be gentlemen, teach them a thing or two about respecting women.

But that's just it. You can't expect every single parent to raise their boys as gentlemen. And there are women who consider being a "bad boy" an attractive feature. I do agree that both genders should be taught about restraint, but at the same time, what is respecting women? Some women seem like they're intentionally contradicting themselves, I.E., when a girl doesn't want people looking at her ass but decides to wear booty hugging daisy dukes. Hell, some guys do it too. I'm not saying nothing should be done, i'm just saying there are better ways to teach it. Just tell them that they really need to be sure about their life partner or who they fuck. Being responsible. That's what it really comes down to. Parents shouldn't rely on games or even school teachers to teach their kids responsibility. Even school teachers can only go so far. Parental guidance and personal experience, that's what it's all about. If a girl wants to be a little less responsible and show off a little with short shorts and shirts that literally reveal half of their boobs, then let them. What I'm really saying is that you can't teach every single boy to be a gentleman, and even so, most would use the gentleman trick to seduce women anyways. Women seduce boys too. Really, it all goes both ways.

And yes, they should be discouraged from under age sex. However, they should also be let known that they get total bodily freedom when they hit the appropriate age, I.E. 18, or lower in some states I think. I'm not really sure. But at least by 18.

But really, though, in this situation, and at this age, most of these kids will be involved in the "Battle of the sexes" I.E. "Girls rule, boys drool" or "Boys rule, girls drool" phase. I don't really think they'll be trying to act on sexual fantasies until high school.

As for this particular game, it all goes back to "Violent games teach our kids to kill", which is weird, since the military does the same, but we support the hell out of that, despite it not needing to be so big, what with it really needing to gear more towards defense. But until they invent terminator robots controlled by video game controllers, that whole games teaching kids to kill theory is total bullshit. Another thing is that like others have said before me, no one will exercise restraint in this game, as there are no real consequences in reality for a wrong choice, just a "Game over" screen. It's like yahtzee said, "When you give kids a virtual world, the first thing they'll want to do is fuck this worlds' shit up.". Most girls aren't interested in games anyways, and the ones that are will fuck the first guy they see in the game anyways just to see what happens. That's what everybody does in every video game. Explore every possibility. That's one way video games are like sex, experimental, fun, and wild.

I'd do a TL;DR here, but seriously, read this whole thing, you lazy fucks who skipped down to here.

 

[Zenn3k]

Achievement Unlocked: Kept Virginity! 25G!

 

[Treblaine]

But that's just it. You can't expect every single parent to raise their boys as gentlemen. And there are women who consider being a "bad boy" an attractive feature. I do agree that both genders should be taught about restraint, but at the same time, what is respecting women? Some women seem like they're intentionally contradicting themselves, I.E., when a girl doesn't want people looking at her ass but decides to wear booty hugging daisy dukes. Hell, some guys do it too. I'm not saying nothing should be done, i'm just saying there are better ways to teach it. Just tell them that they really need to be sure about their life partner or who they fuck. Being responsible. That's what it really comes down to. Parents shouldn't rely on games or even school teachers to teach their kids responsibility. Even school teachers can only go so far. Parental guidance and personal experience, that's what it's all about. If a girl wants to be a little less responsible and show off a little with short shorts and shirts that literally reveal half of their boobs, then let them. What I'm really saying is that you can't teach every single boy to be a gentleman, and even so, most would use the gentleman trick to seduce women anyways. Women seduce boys too. Really, it all goes both ways.

And yes, they should be discouraged from under age sex. However, they should also be let known that they get total bodily freedom when they hit the appropriate age, I.E. 18, or lower in some states I think. I'm not really sure. But at least by 18.

But really, though, in this situation, and at this age, most of these kids will be involved in the "Battle of the sexes" I.E. "Girls rule, boys drool" or "Boys rule, girls drool" phase. I don't really think they'll be trying to act on sexual fantasies until high school.

"when a girl doesn't want people looking at her ass but decides to wear booty hugging daisy dukes."

Learn the difference between looking and "leering". And if only it was just leering, the problem is the inappropriate behaviour and unwanted advances. Pubescent Females want to look attractive because that is their built in hard-drive instinct, not necessarily connected with desire to screw. I know, it's a contradiction but it's not like any conscious being designed us humans from the ground up, our instincts are just that which work. this causes problems with ill disciplined teenagers in a mixed gender environment like a school.

"What I'm really saying is that you can't teach every single boy to be a gentleman"

That is an absolutist argument, all or nothing. My argument is to teach MOST boys and young men to be gentlemen as at the moment it seems virtually no one seems to get it. All except the geekiest geeks seem to be re-enacting the plot to American Pie (must get laid, MUST GET LAID!!!) only worse, it's not high school graduates but kids in middle school for pete's sake.

These kids need to be taught the lesson that it is illegal, immoral and seriously douchy to try to screw underage girls, even if they are in the same class/age-range. And then when they do graduate it isn't a god damn competition to get your dick wet, be a stand up guy first and the second will come naturally (puns are almost unavoidable with this subject).

I wouldn't say seduction is the problem here, the problem is the peer pressure, very young girls shacking up out of obligation and submission more than actual intimate partnership. Then there is the peer-acceptance, girls pretty much NEED to be attractive to even be accepted into the right cliques whereas guys can just be funny and generally cool, and that's just good old fashioned sexism.

 

[DanDeFool]

You CAN'T do this.

Not to say you SHOULDN'T discourage teen girls from getting knocked-up, but you can't do it this way. In fact, I don't know if any sort of propaganda aimed at kids like this has ever worked, ever.

The girls who want to have sex, will not be affected by this. The techniques described in here are probably nonviolent, which means guys who want to pressure girls into sex won't be fazed by them.

You want to teach girls how to refuse sex appropriately? Have them take self-defense. Or give them better role-models than Paris Hilton and Rosie O' Donnell; so the decision isn't about whether to be a whore or a lesbian fem-nazi.

Well said. I think products like this "game" will do little to encourage 15-Year-Old-Sarah to keep her chastity belt on. What has to be done is educating children (preferably at home, but also in school) about sex - not educating them about not having sex. Your average teenager is going to try to partake in the act whether you tell them to or not, and the money and resources put into sex education should be used to teach the teenagers about protection, how to seek advice if you think you've contracted something, about pregnancy etc.

I think it's important that you teach girls (and boys) to say no to sex if they're not ready, but a game isn't going to help them.

Oh, and like RebellionXXI said, give girls better role models.

Agreed. Either that or the no-sex talk will encourage 15-year-old-Sarah to take it up the back door instead. I wish that was a joke; I really do.

Come to think of it, we could stand to give young boys better role models as well. You know; ones that don't treat women like property (gangster rappers) or try to bang everything that moves. Or at least ones that think ahead and use protection.

 

[DanDeFool]

EDIT: Double post. Sorry.

 

[lolmynamewastaken]

im pretty sure girls already know how to say no to sex. Frequently.

 

[Treblaine]

"Which gender is the term "slut" most commonly applied to?"

Applied to women... BY MALES!

You are mistaken by a mile if you don't think women and girls also use that term in describing sexually active females. In adolescence, in fact, I'd wager that females use it more often. Female bullying is done through social engineering, and a pejorative term is clearly more likely to be used by people who would want to shame or slander a sexually active female, rather than by people likely to see sexual proclivity as a very, very good thing.

Who says this edutainment game won't deal with that aspect? Girls pressuring other girls to become sexually active? Ok, that counteracts the "slut" thing but I meant the VERY REAL use of the term slut by males as in "she dresses like a slut, she's GAGGING for it, she's just playing hard to get".

Teach those boys to be gentlemen, teach them a thing or two about respecting women.

As long as they're teaching women to be ladies, and teaching them a thing or two about respecting men, I'm down with that. Such as how to use clear and precise language in rebuking sexual advances instead of being coy because you like the attention, leading the guy on so he'll buy you things, and so forth.

While we're on the subject, I'd be fine with a PSA game teaching boys the kinds of things they need to think about before having sex. What some women are capable of in the name of getting pregnant. How they can expect to be treated in family courts. If we're going to teach girls not to get pressured into sex, why don't we teach boys not to get pressured out of insisting on prenups or paternity tests? And so forth.

For that matter, they could easily use a trivia game to educate teens of both genders on how thoroughly convoluted the age of consent laws are. How many teenagers would know that crossing state lines to have sex with a long-distance relationship can get you (well, get the male) on the sex offender registry? Or that homosexual relationships often have higher ages of consent? Some of the states have formulae for age of consent look more bizarre than the kinds of artificial moral quandaries smartasses propose to their pastor, and would be beyond the understanding of some adults.

Bottom line -- let's start teaching kids about sex, yes, but let's start teaching them about the realities of sex. Moral ranting about the most natural thing a human being ever wants to do is one thing, the medical education on the subject is at least passable, but let's start doling out some good, hard knowledge about the legal aspects of it.

"instead of being coy because you like the attention, leading the guy on so he'll buy you things, and so forth."

Hmm... is this a personal experience? I'm detecting a lot of animosity about perceived injustices against males, I mean avoiding taking a paternity test is simply dodging responsibility and covering up for the outcome of irresponsible behaviour (having unprotected casual sex).

but look, you don't buy a girl presents for sex, it doesn't work that way even if you think it does. If a guy is nice to a girl she will be nice back, does she REALLY need to say "thanks for the gift, but this doesn't mean I'm any closer to sleeping with you". Really, this is what I'm talking about guys being more gentlemanly, they can start by stopping this sense of entitlement to sex with girls in exchange for being nice and showering gifts. If you want to exchange money for sex, hire a prostitute.

As to age of consent, it's not THAT hard. Obviously if you are both over 18 then there is no problem at all in any state, with pretty much anything you do, that's a pretty good and simple rule. Under that age there are going to be a lot of stipulations and if you are too retarded to learn the law well ignorance is no excuse. Not for any law. Best rule, don't try to skirt on the edge of the law and act surprised if one little mistake lands you on the wrong side.

"Moral ranting about the most natural thing a human being ever wants to do is one thing"

I am no fan of nature nor what is known as "natural". Nature is brutal, cruel and unjust and especially when it comes to desires overtaking social norms and moral responsibility. Nature is the antithesis of civilisation.

 

[AlphaLackey]

These kids need to be taught the lesson that it is illegal, immoral and seriously douchy to try to screw underage girls, even if they are in the same class/age-range. And then when they do graduate it isn't a god damn competition to get your dick wet, be a stand up guy first and the second will come naturally (puns are almost unavoidable with this subject).

I wouldn't say seduction is the problem here, the problem is the peer pressure, very young girls shacking up out of obligation and submission more than actual intimate partnership. Then there is the peer-acceptance, girls pretty much NEED to be attractive to even be accepted into the right cliques whereas guys can just be funny and generally cool, and that's just good old fashioned sexism.

Complaining about "good old fashioned sexism" at the end of a post filled to the brim with it? Nice touch.

 

[AlphaLackey]

Hmm... is this a personal experience? I'm detecting a lot of animosity about perceived injustices against males, I mean avoiding taking a paternity test is simply dodging responsibility and covering up for the outcome of irresponsible behaviour (having unprotected casual sex).

All you are perceiving is a reaction to the same tired old gag reflex that paints male sexual urges as evil and female sexual urges as pure and chaste.

Incidentally, paternity tests are filed by men, for the benefit of men, so that they don't have to wind up providing for, or paying support for, a child that they didn't father. And it will be the woman who makes the pouty face and says "oh, don't you trust me?" to dissuade the man from having one done. And while we educate young girls not to succumb to pressure from potential sexual partners, educating young boys not to succumb to peer pressure would also be a good step.

but look, you don't buy a girl presents for sex, it doesn't work that way even if you think it does. If a guy is nice to a girl she will be nice back, does she REALLY need to say "thanks for the gift, but this doesn't mean I'm any closer to sleeping with you".

That's not even close to what I'm saying. I'm not talking about a man saying "I'll buy you a gift if you consent to sex", I'm talking about women saying "buy me a gift and I may consent to sex with you". And you are delusional if you don't think that some women act like that, and I think it's important to teach young girls that such behavior is inappropriate.

Really, this is what I'm talking about guys being more gentlemanly, they can start by stopping this sense of entitlement to sex with girls in exchange for being nice and showering gifts. If you want to exchange money for sex, hire a prostitute.

Again, concomitant with that is girls being more lady-like, stopping their sense of entitlement. See above.

As to age of consent, it's not THAT hard. Obviously if you are both over 18 then there is no problem at all in any state, with pretty much anything you do, that's a pretty good and simple rule.

Your strategy hinges on teenagers not having sex with each other until their 18th birthday? Good luck with that.

Under that age there are going to be a lot of stipulations and if you are too retarded to learn the law well ignorance is no excuse. Not for any law. Best rule, don't try to skirt on the edge of the law and act surprised if one little mistake lands you on the wrong side.

It sounds to me like you're agreeing with me in principle about the importance of being educated on laws of sexual consent, but I think you're mistaking "skirting the law" with trying to obey it but being blindsided by some really obtuse points. Is it intuitive that homosexual relationships may have a different age of consent than heterosexual ones? Or that two 17 year olds in a long distance sexual relationship are committing a felony by meeting to have sex even though the age of consent in each of their states is under 17?

"Moral ranting about the most natural thing a human being ever wants to do is one thing"

I am no fan of nature nor what is known as "natural". Nature is brutal, cruel and unjust and especially when it comes to desires overtaking social norms and moral responsibility. Nature is the antithesis of civilisation.

I bring up "natural" simply to point out that virtually everyone is born wanting to do it for its own sake (yes, unlike your double standards, this means female as well as males), and because it's a natural part of human existence, that means we OWE it to our children (again, of both genders) to educate them as much as possible, instead of shrouding it under some mysterious taboo-laden shroud.

 

[L34dP1LL]

i wonder what happens in the game if you do give it up.

 

[Zyxx]

One word: haptics. If they want this thing to be realistic, might as well go all the way with it - the player can get actual bruises. And actual stimulation. This could mark a great milestone in the development of virtual sex.

Of course, the actual project as described is stupid. This is just sort of a reverse dating sim, innit? Normal dating sims bore me, I'd imagine one with a specified goal of NOT titillating to be especially dull.

 

[ckam]

Sounds like a hassle and it probably wouldn't be fun for anyone... Has the meaning of fun been taken out of video games since the GTA: San Andreas incident? I mean come on! There's a reason why they're called "video games" and not "abstinence lecturer".

 

[Kirch Libre]

Wow this is retarded. This will only end in tears and more unplanned pregnancies.

 

[ghostalker.cepo]

Dear America,

How about you teach sex education in school... a COMPLETE sexual education, including what happens to you in puberty, anatomy, and the actual process of sex instead of fear mongering teenagers into thinking that sex is wrong.

Thank you
Europe.

 

[Treblaine]

These kids need to be taught the lesson that it is illegal, immoral and seriously douchy to try to screw underage girls, even if they are in the same class/age-range. And then when they do graduate it isn't a god damn competition to get your dick wet, be a stand up guy first and the second will come naturally (puns are almost unavoidable with this subject).

I wouldn't say seduction is the problem here, the problem is the peer pressure, very young girls shacking up out of obligation and submission more than actual intimate partnership. Then there is the peer-acceptance, girls pretty much NEED to be attractive to even be accepted into the right cliques whereas guys can just be funny and generally cool, and that's just good old fashioned sexism.

Complaining about "good old fashioned sexism" at the end of a post filled to the brim with it? Nice touch.

how is it sexist to point out how others are sexist? I'm saying the "need to be sexy" is an UNREASONABLE requirement, imposed by social cliques not my own opinion.

 

[AlphaLackey]

Citing peer pressure as proof of the foulness of male sexuality, then citing peer pressure as an absolving agent for female sexuality = sexist.

Claiming only women are judged superficially in scholastic social circles = sexist.

Implying that underage girls don't actively want, and seek out sex = sexist.

Acting as if the only "problem" cases of statutory rape involve underage girls = sexist.

 

[Racecarlock]

But that's just it. You can't expect every single parent to raise their boys as gentlemen. And there are women who consider being a "bad boy" an attractive feature. I do agree that both genders should be taught about restraint, but at the same time, what is respecting women? Some women seem like they're intentionally contradicting themselves, I.E., when a girl doesn't want people looking at her ass but decides to wear booty hugging daisy dukes. Hell, some guys do it too. I'm not saying nothing should be done, i'm just saying there are better ways to teach it. Just tell them that they really need to be sure about their life partner or who they fuck. Being responsible. That's what it really comes down to. Parents shouldn't rely on games or even school teachers to teach their kids responsibility. Even school teachers can only go so far. Parental guidance and personal experience, that's what it's all about. If a girl wants to be a little less responsible and show off a little with short shorts and shirts that literally reveal half of their boobs, then let them. What I'm really saying is that you can't teach every single boy to be a gentleman, and even so, most would use the gentleman trick to seduce women anyways. Women seduce boys too. Really, it all goes both ways.

And yes, they should be discouraged from under age sex. However, they should also be let known that they get total bodily freedom when they hit the appropriate age, I.E. 18, or lower in some states I think. I'm not really sure. But at least by 18.

But really, though, in this situation, and at this age, most of these kids will be involved in the "Battle of the sexes" I.E. "Girls rule, boys drool" or "Boys rule, girls drool" phase. I don't really think they'll be trying to act on sexual fantasies until high school.

"when a girl doesn't want people looking at her ass but decides to wear booty hugging daisy dukes."

Learn the difference between looking and "leering". And if only it was just leering, the problem is the inappropriate behaviour and unwanted advances. Pubescent Females want to look attractive because that is their built in hard-drive instinct, not necessarily connected with desire to screw. I know, it's a contradiction but it's not like any conscious being designed us humans from the ground up, our instincts are just that which work. this causes problems with ill disciplined teenagers in a mixed gender environment like a school.

"What I'm really saying is that you can't teach every single boy to be a gentleman"

That is an absolutist argument, all or nothing. My argument is to teach MOST boys and young men to be gentlemen as at the moment it seems virtually no one seems to get it. All except the geekiest geeks seem to be re-enacting the plot to American Pie (must get laid, MUST GET LAID!!!) only worse, it's not high school graduates but kids in middle school for pete's sake.

These kids need to be taught the lesson that it is illegal, immoral and seriously douchy to try to screw underage girls, even if they are in the same class/age-range. And then when they do graduate it isn't a god damn competition to get your dick wet, be a stand up guy first and the second will come naturally (puns are almost unavoidable with this subject).

I wouldn't say seduction is the problem here, the problem is the peer pressure, very young girls shacking up out of obligation and submission more than actual intimate partnership. Then there is the peer-acceptance, girls pretty much NEED to be attractive to even be accepted into the right cliques whereas guys can just be funny and generally cool, and that's just good old fashioned sexism.

Why is it that you seem to think that girls are the only ones with these problems? Men are all like "Go have sex, you'll be recognized as a man for it" or "Drive your car off a cliff and you'll be super cool". Plus, it appears you've never heard of male football player and preppy cliques. Guys get pressured into doing all kinds of stupid stuff "Chug another liter of beer and you'll be a friggin legend!!!". I mean, have you seen those video shows on television? Have you seen how many guys get their nuts hit on a pole or something because their friends dared them to? Peer pressure is not a girl only thing.

Let me be very clear. I did say underage sex is wrong, only with different wording. I DID say both genders need to be taught self restraint. The thing is that you seem to think that girls have all of the problems and the men are the sex crazy ones. It's an equal problem for BOTH genders, dude.

 

[LtWiesel]

Achievement Unlocked: Kept Virginity! 25G!

There is always an achievment for doing it in the opposite way


If my parents would say: play this game, it totally protects u from sex.
well, i would...i would allready hate it by " play this...!"
Forbid something never works and push it is even worse as a parent.
By the way, i saw a young girl crossing the street while the traffiylight was still red...nobody concerned about that? Make a game to teach them it´s bad!!!

 

[havoc_91]

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this is the dumbest thing i have ever seen in a looooooooong time

Dear America,

How about you teach sex education in school... a COMPLETE sexual education, including what happens to you in puberty, anatomy, and the actual process of sex instead of fear mongering teenagers into thinking that sex is wrong.

Thank you
Europe.

Dear europe,


How many unplanned pregnancies are you having, and how many people are in your continent that have an STD?


Please send the info.
America.