Yeah, really... Doesn't everyone realize by now not to mess with Walder Frey? It would be fitting if Ramsay is killed by Frey. Because, again, it would be too good for him to die in any dignified way. he needs a lame death like Doran and Roose got. Maybe even lamer. Maybe something like falling down the damn stairs or the Zombie Mountain smashing his head into a wall while he is pissing. Either one will do.Nurb said:How could Roose not see that coming? His kid is a psycho which he knew about since forever who is desperate to keep his status, and he was lecturing him on being a mad dog so he obviously wasn't blinded by love.
But I suppose we needed more betrayal because he shanked Rob, so the only sensible thing now is that Ramsey gets fucked by Walder Frey, who is betrayed himself yet again.
Sure, because a character that's interesting to watch has killed a boring character who's only purpose was to betray the Starks and to be a father of a psychopath. And you thought he'd live longer than Ramsey?the silence said:To support the post above me in one point: I thought Roose would kill Ramsay. Because that would have made a lot of sense.
Instead it's boring old wank.
I kinda liked Mellisandra the past 2 episodes, for once i can sympathize with her, we have seen her being this confident, powerfull woman since season 2, it's good to see a bit of humanity every now and again and this i think was perfect. it's clear by now she is going to be a badass once again when she finds out Jon is alive.evilthecat said:Honestly, while I still kind of detest the way Dorne has been haphazardly thrown in and the general portrayal of everyone and everything in it, the sand snakes going full stabby is something I can totally see happening in the books as well. While they're a lot less openly sociopathic in the books, they're routinely implied to be a bunch of very, very dangerous people.
Ramsey.. well.. actually I don't mind Ramsey, I generally find Iwan Rheon hella fun to watch (most of the time). I actually really liked the change of having him raised by Roose Bolton, and it's enabled his character to have a bit more substance rather than being the old "child concieved of rape will inevitably be pure evil because reasons" trope. If anything disappoints me, it's that they didn't give Roose as much development as his book counterpart, although I enjoyed watching Michael McElhatton in the role.
And hey, now we have Euron Greyjoy. Team "absolutely fucking horrible people who are fun to watch because they're kind of enjoying themselves" got a bit bigger.
No, the biggest thing that actually annoys me.. giving Melissandre a crisis of faith.
One of the ballsiest things about the books, I think, is the fact that Melissandre, a religious zealot who burns people alive as a sacrifice to a cruel and uncompromising god, is ultimately a hero, in fact she is in many ways the ultimate hero by the standards of heroic mythology within the universe itself works, because there is absolutely nothing she wouldn't sacrifice for the cause of good. She's an ancient, incredibly powerful being who has apparently devoted her entire life to this metaphysical war of good versus evil. She knows better than any character in the setting what is at stake if she fails, she is also (going by her POV chapters) aware that she can make mistakes or misinterpret her visions of the future.
At this point, it doesn't matter if R'hllor actually exists or if he sends Melissandre messages, or if she's just using some kind of magic to see the future, she's still seen and done enough at this point to be absolutely certain of herself either way. Giving her a little emotional breakdown so that Davos, of all people, can comfort her and reassure her with the knowledge that she doesn't need the Lord of Light to be awesome as if that's some kind of atonement that she needed just strikes me as not only really out of character, but also kind of cops on one of the more interesting things about Westeros as a setting, which is that there's very good reason to think that at least some of the religious mythology floating around is actually, 100% true.
That aside, and other than the odd stinky line of dialogue, it's been pretty fun so far. Even Dorne has been.. better, this season than last season (bad pussy!) So yeah, looking forward to see where it goes.
Yeah, I think if I try to block out my book knowledge it makes a lot more sense. I do occasionally wonder if I'm becoming one of those people who can't divorce the two from each other, which at this point is very silly because they are very, very different.Buizel91 said:I kinda liked Mellisandra the past 2 episodes, for once i can sympathize with her, we have seen her being this confident, powerfull woman since season 2, it's good to see a bit of humanity every now and again and this i think was perfect. it's clear by now she is going to be a badass once again when she finds out Jon is alive.
I hope he decides to invade the north just to see Wun Wun step on him. The Boltons have no idea that there's an army of wildlings between them and castle black so it'll be another epic battle with a predictable end if they turn their attention north.Aiddon said:All in all, the season is off to a good start (Dorne notwithstanding, even when it's off screen) and hopefully Ramsay doesn't stick around too much longer because he ran his course long ago.
It would be an immensely cruel thing to do to bring back to life one of the most liked characters only to say "ha just kidding".Politrukk said:I'm bothered they might revert on the Jon decision as it being an illusion or something, but then again Melisandre saw Winterfell burn as it was conquered/freed again, Jon has perished because he failed the watch, I bet in a weird twist because he holds no allegiance to the watch anymore he will become the one to retake winterfell afterall.
His death will have impact in the sense that it releases him from his vows to the night's watch.K12 said:It would be an immensely cruel thing to do to bring back to life one of the most liked characters only to say "ha just kidding".Politrukk said:I'm bothered they might revert on the Jon decision as it being an illusion or something, but then again Melisandre saw Winterfell burn as it was conquered/freed again, Jon has perished because he failed the watch, I bet in a weird twist because he holds no allegiance to the watch anymore he will become the one to retake winterfell afterall.
I have the opposite worry that Jon Snow coming back to live will mean that his "death" has relatively little impact on the overall story with him basically continuing along the path that he was taking before he got pincushioned.
I was very smug watching this episode. Two of my major predicions were that: Melisandre will bring back Jon Snow (although most people thought that) and become much more likable and one of the Boltons will kill the other one (I didn't think that it would happen quite so unceremoniously though) both happened in the same episode.
"Bad pussy" was my favorite part of the entire Dorne plot line last season. It also had...an effect on me, so that might be influencing my opinion.evilthecat said:That aside, and other than the odd stinky line of dialogue, it's been pretty fun so far. Even Dorne has been.. better, this season than last season (bad pussy!) So yeah, looking forward to see where it goes.
... I'm not totally sure that it does you know.Politrukk said:His death will have impact in the sense that it releases him from his vows to the night's watch.K12 said:It would be an immensely cruel thing to do to bring back to life one of the most liked characters only to say "ha just kidding".Politrukk said:I'm bothered they might revert on the Jon decision as it being an illusion or something, but then again Melisandre saw Winterfell burn as it was conquered/freed again, Jon has perished because he failed the watch, I bet in a weird twist because he holds no allegiance to the watch anymore he will become the one to retake winterfell afterall.
I have the opposite worry that Jon Snow coming back to live will mean that his "death" has relatively little impact on the overall story with him basically continuing along the path that he was taking before he got pincushioned.
I was very smug watching this episode. Two of my major predicions were that: Melisandre will bring back Jon Snow (although most people thought that) and become much more likable and one of the Boltons will kill the other one (I didn't think that it would happen quite so unceremoniously though) both happened in the same episode.
Ramsay should've gotten his stupid ass killed a long time ago considering how impulsive he is, but no. He's gone from having occasional moments of brilliance and poor self control to being Ramsay Snow Wonder Boy who can do freaking anything. He should never have gotten the jump on his very cold and calculating father. Talk about popularity if you want, but at the end of the day it's bad writing. The day he dies is the day I become a very happy man.Adam Jensen said:Sure, because a character that's interesting to watch has killed a boring character who's only purpose was to betray the Starks and to be a father of a psychopath. And you thought he'd live longer than Ramsey?the silence said:To support the post above me in one point: I thought Roose would kill Ramsay. Because that would have made a lot of sense.
Instead it's boring old wank.
I really don't get people on the internet these days. Everyone is so eager to be a hater and to look for flaws in everything. Especially if it's popular. Oh that really gets people going. Popularity must be hated. GoT is still a good show. The fact that most of you stuck around for 6 seasons pretty much proves it. People don't do that when they get bored. It's so easy to lose interest in a lousy show. Maybe GoT is not as good as the books, but that means nothing since it's still leagues ahead of most current shows.
Uh. Book Ramsay was as big of a monster as they came. The stuff he did to Reek, the stuff he did to his wife, murdering a man at arms, and then there's the bit where he hunted down naked women, raped them, and then if they didn't amuse him, flayed them alive.RedDeadFred said:The strength of the books was always that there weren't too many straight up evil characters. They're all varying degrees of grey. Ramsay and the show's portrayal of Joffrey really don't meet this standard.
You're right. Ramsay is just as bad in the books. I suppose I'm more annoyed because of how much more focus is put on him. It's like they needed to keep Alfie Allen around so they basically turned his scenes into the torture porn that was only alluded to. The book showed us Theon after he'd already been transformed. Martin leaves a lot of it to your imagination as far as what must have happened to him to get to that point. This isn't really a current season issue though and you're right, Ramsay is a complete monster in both.erttheking said:Uh. Book Ramsay was as big of a monster as they came. The stuff he did to Reek, the stuff he did to his wife, murdering a man at arms, and then there's the bit where he hunted down naked women, raped them, and then if they didn't amuse him, flayed them alive.RedDeadFred said:The strength of the books was always that there weren't too many straight up evil characters. They're all varying degrees of grey. Ramsay and the show's portrayal of Joffrey really don't meet this standard.
No argument there. I'm getting just sick of Ramsay Bolton Wonder Boy, who can do absolutely everything with his *In mocking voice* twenty good men.RedDeadFred said:You're right. Ramsay is just as bad in the books. I suppose I'm more annoyed because of how much more focus is put on him. It's like they needed to keep Alfie Allen around so they basically turned his scenes into the torture porn that was only alluded to. The book showed us Theon after he'd already been transformed. Martin leaves a lot of it to your imagination as far as what must have happened to him to get to that point. This isn't really a current season issue though and you're right, Ramsay is a complete monster in both.erttheking said:Uh. Book Ramsay was as big of a monster as they came. The stuff he did to Reek, the stuff he did to his wife, murdering a man at arms, and then there's the bit where he hunted down naked women, raped them, and then if they didn't amuse him, flayed them alive.RedDeadFred said:The strength of the books was always that there weren't too many straight up evil characters. They're all varying degrees of grey. Ramsay and the show's portrayal of Joffrey really don't meet this standard.