UPDATE: PS3 Hacker GeoHot Claims He's on Vacation
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Yeah...flaming the hard drive works well if you use actual flame. Or so I'm led to believe.Baron Khaine said:
So basically this case is between an asshole and a company of assholes, how wonderful. Even though sony's in the wrong here, geohot's is essentally comitting suicide as far as people are concerned.
That's not proof that GeoHot created a PSN account. It's proof that someone in Glen Rock, New Jersey used that PS3 to make a PSN account. I don't see anything here showing who made it. Could have been his mom, a sibling, a friend, some stoner who broke into his house to play PS3 while he was away. Who knows? There's not enough proof to say WHO did it. This combined with what giant douchebags Sony are when it comes to suing people, I still do not believe their claims that he made one.Greg Tito said:
Also, did he really run away? The only thing I see in the article is that Sony claims he went to South America. Not very credible at all, I'd like another source that isn't deriving their information from Sony's claim before I believe that one too.
Don't tell me who I can and cannot support. Assuming what he did is true, I can still support not only his but everyone's right to actually own the products they buy and do what they want with them, and I can stand up and say that he shouldn't be getting sued in the first place.Frank_Sinatra_ said:
I would just add that he SHOULD be charged with the tampering with evidence and fleeing, if he indeed did so. But again, that all seems to be coming from Sony, so I'm taking it with a pillar of salt considering how scummy they are. They could just be trying to sue him into oblivion like they did to Lik Sang. Plus they started this whole mess by removing an advertised feature and forcing customers to pick which one of two advertised features they were willing to give up (either keep Install Other OS or keep PSN access).
No, I don't think my thoughts on the actual lawsuit have changed at all: Sony is still a massive asshole that I would like to see lose this case handily. It's just these new actions that I would not support, assuming they are true.
If they prove that he owns a PS3 he done for. If he owns one, then he has entered in a contract with Sony and breached it. The only real argument that his legal team put forward is a jurisdictional one, by buying a PS3 he has entered into contract with Sony saying all disputes will be handled under California Law. Its already a well established principle of law that parties to a contract can agree to a legal jurisdiction so buy owning a PS3 the only defence argument vanishes.ToastedEngineer said:
Uhm, no. That was never true. It was obvious that he owned a PS3. We all knew that; he couldn't crack one without owning one. But buying a PS3 doesn't mean you have entered into a contract with Sony. It's only signing up for the Playstation Network that does that.albino boo said:
And as Sony still hasn't sufficiently proven that he has done so (only that SOMEONE used one of his PS3s to create one; they have yet to provide proof who that SOMEONE is, so at this point it's only an assumption that it's his), he didn't do anything wrong on that front.
*Eyeroll* Well I was sorta hoping something useful would come of this, like changes in consumer law that prevent the manufacturer from telling you how to use hardware that you paid for cause they don't like it. But, that's sorta gone out the window now that this guy has just screwed over everyone.
Oh well, on we go to the brave new world where companies have unfettered rights to tell us how to use the products we've purchased. Score one for our corporate overlords!
Oh well, on we go to the brave new world where companies have unfettered rights to tell us how to use the products we've purchased. Score one for our corporate overlords!
Good. Nail his ass... he's just a little black hat cracker. Hope his supporters will now see what an ffing douche he really is.
Hacking his own PS3 = fine (srew the DMCA)
Posting the root security keys publicly just to screw with Sony = crime.
Hacking his own PS3 = fine (srew the DMCA)
Posting the root security keys publicly just to screw with Sony = crime.
This is a common misconception. The OtherOS feature was not removed. You can still use them as cheap super computers. All they have done is make you choose between Linux and PSN because they could no longer guarantee the security of systems with Linux installed. Those with Linux on their PS3 became a threat to the millions of others of PSN users.Deadman Walkin said:
The military *STILL CAN AND STILL DOES* use PS3s for cheap processing power. They don't need PSN. All the colleges out there using clustered PS3s for computing? They don't need PSN. [Insert all other groups using clustered PS3s for number crunching] don't need PSN either.
People who have a PS3 to play games? They don't need Linux. They have computers for that. Since they game on PS3 there's certainly no more reason for them to stay on insecure and buggy operating systems like Windows and Mac.
So again: Sony did NOT remove the option to install Linux. They just make you choose between playing online (where you'd be a constant risk to other PSN users) and having Linux. And that certainly didn't affect the groups (U.S. Military, Universities, et cetera) who were legitimately using OtherOS.
Find a new argument. Your current one is very flawed, and you're only spreading misinformation.
He did the correct thing. An individual can't get justice in our corporate owned legal system. Sony has infinite money, they can just drag the case out indefinitely until he can't pay his lawyers anymore. Then they make you agree to damages you can't possibly pay, or settlement conditions you can't possibly keep such as never using a computer.
Then if you fail to live up to the judgment terms that is a contempt charge which is a criminal offense. So in effect Sony can put YOU or the people you care about in prison for pissing them of. If you think this is an acceptable outcome of modern society then you are a part of the problem.
Just look at the complaint, if you take out the unjust charges that the DMCA allows then there is nothing substantial left.
And if you are one of the few abominable people who think the DMCA is a good think check this out and maybe it will knock some sense into that thick skull: https://www.eff.org/wp/unintended-consequences-under-dmca
In my opinion a corporation should have to go before a judge and prove documented economic damages before it can take any action against an individual.
Then if you fail to live up to the judgment terms that is a contempt charge which is a criminal offense. So in effect Sony can put YOU or the people you care about in prison for pissing them of. If you think this is an acceptable outcome of modern society then you are a part of the problem.
Just look at the complaint, if you take out the unjust charges that the DMCA allows then there is nothing substantial left.
And if you are one of the few abominable people who think the DMCA is a good think check this out and maybe it will knock some sense into that thick skull: https://www.eff.org/wp/unintended-consequences-under-dmca
In my opinion a corporation should have to go before a judge and prove documented economic damages before it can take any action against an individual.
Used to drink with a bloke who freelanced in forensic data recovery for law enforcement and private investigators and he said 95% of the hard drives he got handed were single reformats with busted up cases... which did absolutely nothing to destroy the data and could easily be restored in less than a day (and that's assuming a full HD platter swap into a working HD).Selvec said:
Magnets aren't too bad but they have a tendency to leave big chunks of artifact data.
We experimented with ways to destroy data beyond his ability to recover it and came up with a few good ones, including one that reinforced my belief that there isn't a problem that can't be solved with detcord.
I guess you could say that all that donated money...
*puts on sunglasses*
Just went south.
Ok, more seriously, This guy is now officially a grade A douchebag. As much as I hate rooting for Sony (and big companies in general), I hope they catch him and make him pay through the nose.
*puts on sunglasses*
Just went south.
Ok, more seriously, This guy is now officially a grade A douchebag. As much as I hate rooting for Sony (and big companies in general), I hope they catch him and make him pay through the nose.