And that exactly is the claim for which there is not sufficient evidence... as several people, including myself, have tried to explain to you. Obviously to no avail, so I won't bother anymore.Sonichu said:
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If we get a AAA game that has really awesome gameplay, with guns and big explosions and gunships and all that, and a really epic, indulgent story, and great production values overall (also emotionally enganging and thematically deep, but the indulgent part is important here) , and this game gets 9/10 and 10/10 ratings across the board, and is marketed the hell out of it, with trailers and such focussing on the action and the explosions and shows several characters of both genders, do badass stuff, like punching and shooting and blowing stuff up... Now if this game then has a protagonist who just happens to be female, a tough, badass no-nonsense character like Ellen Ripley or Femshep, and not a big fuzz is made out of her gender, neither ingame nor in marketing, and if this game still doesn't sell well... then we can talk.Sonichu said:
Until then, your claims are hollow, and your gleefulness is telling.
I see. It might have been for the best to cut it then, the game already had 4 other characters that you had to care about in order to make the narrative work on an emotional level (imho), and precious little time for making you do so:Evonisia said:
Nilin, her parents, and Edge.
And since I'm already using the spoiler tag... the scene towards the end where you make your own father believe he was responsible for the death of his own daughter, that was really something, that made me pause. Now if the overall game was a bit better, the overall narrative a bit more compelling (to me), that would have been a truly powerful, heart-breaking scene.
As a side note: you realize you're not that young anymore when you're starting to identify with the fathers of the characters.
And since I'm already using the spoiler tag... the scene towards the end where you make your own father believe he was responsible for the death of his own daughter, that was really something, that made me pause. Now if the overall game was a bit better, the overall narrative a bit more compelling (to me), that would have been a truly powerful, heart-breaking scene.
As a side note: you realize you're not that young anymore when you're starting to identify with the fathers of the characters.
The trailers would be showing characters of both genders because the story contains important characters of both genders, sort of like the secondary characters feature prominently in Mass Effect commercials too. But the game would still have a fixed-gender female protagonist. The trailers would just not be all about her.Sonichu said:
Also, the marketing might also want to hammer down the message that you, as male player, will naturally be able to identify with the protagonist no matter her gender. Sort of like this (cool) Tomb Raider commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twjNaXJvZfk
And the thing is: This commercial isn't lying. If the character is good, you will identify with it no matter what if you have just a shred of empathy. You will feel for Solomon Northup even though he is not white in 12 Years a Slave, you will feel with Ryan Stone in Gravity even though she is not male, to use two Oscar favourites as example.
Assuming this is both true and a valid defense, I want to ask you directly: Do you like that this is the way it works? Do you think there should be no games with (not heavily sexualized) female protagonists or other (not heavily sexualized) female characters?
CloudAtlas said:I see. It might have been for the best to cut it then, the game already had 4 other characters that you had to care about in order to make the narrative work on an emotional level (imho), and precious little time for making you do so:Evonisia said:
Nilin, her parents, and Edge.
And since I'm already using the spoiler tag... the scene towards the end where you make your own father believe he was responsible for the death of his own daughter, that was really something, that made me pause. Now if the overall game was a bit better, the overall narrative a bit more compelling (to me), that would have been a truly powerful, heart-breaking scene.
As a side note: you realize you're not that young anymore when you're starting to identify with the fathers of the characters.
When I saw the objective to kill Nilin in that scene it was enough to make me pause for a moment, my first thought was just "Wait... what?!". Though I do like how it's a memory mix within a memory mix.
I agree, given the time restraints and the whole "being a AAA game" thing it's hard to make something so bloated even larger. Hopefully in Remember Me Too (I hope it's not called Remember Me Two, or do I?), we get expansions on Olga, that guy and perhaps add more impact to people's deaths.
That scene in the furnace/coffin room irritated me because there was little emphasis that we've just lost the person we came to save, and Nilin doesn't react to it.
If you prefer female protagonists, why are you trying so hard to undermine a cause that is your own?Sonichu said:
You know, maybe you're not such an outlier as you might think. Have a little faith. And, as I said before, don't undermine your own cause with comments like that, encourage game devs by telling that for you (as you claimed) a female protagonist is even a plus.Sonichu said:
Oh good, the fedora brigade arrived.
I only just got into Mass Effect having picked up the first two games in the January sale, playing as FemShep paragon. I've been so impressed with Jennifer Hale's performance so far that I'm just going to regard that playthrough as canon (I'll get round to Renegade MalShep(?) at some point). The actual figure for players as a whole seems to be something like 18% for those two games [http://www.vg247.com/2011/07/19/loving-femshep-biowares-first-lady-finally-steps-forward/], which is sad but perhaps not unexpected. Playing as Female Shepard was for me a deliberate attempt to try something different, since I do normally play as the generic male character on first playthroughs.
I only just got into Mass Effect having picked up the first two games in the January sale, playing as FemShep paragon. I've been so impressed with Jennifer Hale's performance so far that I'm just going to regard that playthrough as canon (I'll get round to Renegade MalShep(?) at some point). The actual figure for players as a whole seems to be something like 18% for those two games [http://www.vg247.com/2011/07/19/loving-femshep-biowares-first-lady-finally-steps-forward/], which is sad but perhaps not unexpected. Playing as Female Shepard was for me a deliberate attempt to try something different, since I do normally play as the generic male character on first playthroughs.
mirrors edge struggled and was considered a failure by the devs at first, until it got that cult following bizzare games get.Grabehn said:
While this is true, its worth noting that more in-depth research ahs shown that female gamers are much more into puzzles and flash games while male gamers take over the majority (think 90%) of the "core" game genres that this game would fit in. So the whole "There are as many females playing my shooter" is completely false statement in reality.Sonichu said:
I would like to see more fat characters in videogames though. Games seem to be dominated by slim and muscular characetrs from both sexes.
So i should ignore the only person here with sources? okay.ShirowShirow said: