Update: TVTropes Deletes All Rape Tropes

[Kahunaburger]

It?s about fiction all fiction regardless of what you think of it.

Incidentally, this is a big part of why TVTropes is a steaming cesspool.

for doing what, writing an article about some hentai series? Just go read an article about something you like

This isn't entirely fair, but in a nutshell:

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

Supposedly the pictures posted can't be found on the web.

According to who? Someone on /v/ who looked for 15 minutes?

Hmm... and the person posting was "Anonymous." Could the feminists be behind these "hacktivism" things I keep hearing about on Fox News?

This post needs more Kenji.

There we go.

To some people, the audacity that you'd even *MENTION* a subject is offensive.

These are the people that freak right the fuck out when they see Bob Saget, Gilbert Gottfried, or Sarah Silverman doing stand-up.

I have to admit to being pretty weirded out when I first found out how dirty Bob Saget's standup routine was. This is because I and most members of my generation know him as the dad from Full House. It's like finding out Walt Disney drew rule 34[footnote]To the best of my knowledge, he didn't, but the guy who created Superman did. Enjoy that mental image.[/footnote].

OT: They need to get it over with and find a less puritanical advertiser than Google. They're getting to be more extensively censored than the original Encyclopedia Dramatica. Note that I said extensively. It's easy to censor less explicit things than were censored on that site, and thereby have heavier censorship. It's really difficult to have more actual content hit with the white wash, but TVTropes is getting there.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

...why the users are pretty much scum. It they could write articles without sperging over more squicky and uncomfortable subject material like it was their own personal fetish diary.

Fuck them. Eddie is a moron and a terrible coder, his moderators are just as bad as his pervert users. Burn the place to the ground.

...but I can just imagine how many crying pedos and closet rapists are screaming THOUGHTCRIME! and ORWELLIAN! at the loss of their precious wank indexes...

...who were bitching that their favorite lolicon anime was taken down. So any attempt to make a new community, the scum follow them thinking that they'll get their porn pages back.

More like "Freedom to act like a pervert with a massive persecution complex."

Persecution complex? Holy shit dude you're like a one man inquisition, any more fixation on the pedos of TVTropes and I'd be a little worried. I mean go you, I'm sure insulting them will help prevent them from hurting children and all that so go for it.

Glad I've never been to the site though, knowing about tropes annoy the fuck out of me anyway (they either break the immersion or give the wannabe movie buff shit to say during the film), seems like it's more a version of 4chan for movie buffs these days.

I fucking loath the userbase with a passion. When I first joined there, I just hung out around the tabletop forum, which was generally quiet. But when the innocent panties debacle launched the great pedocide, I got more involved with the community trying to help clean up the site.

The vast majority of users are against changing anything, and after three months of nonstop bitching, moaning, complaining and defending their precious lolicon, I had enough and just quit. Other sane individuals were banned with more flair and pomp, calling out the pedo apologists and scum, but I just said fuck it. I didn't want to deal with that shit anymore.

To see it dredged up here on The Escapist, and to see people using the same "freedom of speech!" arguments again just makes me angry. If any of you got to interact with those shitbags the way I had to, you might understand why I feel the way I do. Seeing escapist members suddenly doing the same song and dance of whining about their rights being trampled on just depresses me. The shit followed me here.

Oh shut up . People where against the deletions because it betrays the point of TVT. It?s about fiction all fiction regardless of what you think of it.

The point of TvTropes is to categorize writing conventions and where they appear in fiction. In practice, the site is filled to the brim with the type of creepy fucks who see that above sentence as an excuse to gush and describe in loving detail their fetishes, favorite hentai series, imply incest where there is none, and try and justify their actions under the site's pretense of "no negativity."

Yeah that?s not what happens people just list examples relevant to the article

Uhuh. You keep thinking that. You peel away the surface, and then you get stuff like The Nunnery [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=xbc3tgsnkk565g8erep9fune&page=0], previously known as the Fetish Thread, but changed because of Big Brother Google.

Go ahead and read it, and perhaps you might understand why I feel the way I do. Or just tell me to shut up, either or. I'm out.

 

[NiPah]

I fucking loath the userbase with a passion. When I first joined there, I just hung out around the tabletop forum, which was generally quiet. But when the innocent panties debacle launched the great pedocide, I got more involved with the community trying to help clean up the site.

The vast majority of users are against changing anything, and after three months of nonstop bitching, moaning, complaining and defending their precious lolicon, I had enough and just quit. Other sane individuals were banned with more flair and pomp, calling out the pedo apologists and scum, but I just said fuck it. I didn't want to deal with that shit anymore.

To see it dredged up here on The Escapist, and to see people using the same "freedom of speech!" arguments again just makes me angry. If any of you got to interact with those shitbags the way I had to, you might understand why I feel the way I do. Seeing escapist members suddenly doing the same song and dance of whining about their rights being trampled on just depresses me. The shit followed me here.

Actually I totally agree with that, the "freedom of speech" argument is idiotic and I wince in pain every time I see TVTropes mentioned here (be it about rape, a random trope, or any other issue that has that site's panties in a bundle this week).

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

It?s about fiction all fiction regardless of what you think of it.

Incidentally, this is a big part of why TVTropes is a steaming cesspool.

for doing what, writing an article about some hentai series? Just go read an article about something you like

This isn't entirely fair, but in a nutshell:

I wasn't aware we measured quality by number of words.

Also it's a cheap shot to compare the article for a TV show that's been on for a while to one about a single story.

I'm pretty sure it's a game that came from an XKCD strip. You find articles about real world things and then fictional variations, and cry about how much more detailed the fictional one is. A fictional example would be finding out that the Battlefield 1942 article is shorter than the one on the real World War II (in reality the one on the actual war is an order of magnitude longer, but Wikipedia seems to have cleaned up the major articles since that comic was posted, so I couldn't find any real examples.)

My guess is that TVTropes hasn't had the same kind of editing Wikipedia has since that comic came out, so the examples are easier to find. Or maybe I was just looking for the wrong ones and both wikis are still full of that kind of thing. I think that's probably the more likely case.

Edit: and yeah, looking at it, they're doing Wikigroaning completely wrong. It's supposed to be stuff like "The Batlle of Stalingrad: 500 words. Stalingrad (film): 5000 words." Not The Godfather vs. Pokemon.

 

[NeutralDrow]

Wait...didn't TV Tropes already get rid of basically anything involving sex? And several things that didn't except by implication?

Huh. Color me surprised. I guess it was just the listed "porn tropes" that got axed before this. Those were just kind of confusing, but this? This is actually mildly infuriating, in addition to being questionable yet justified.

What is this, rape month?

As much as I hate Fast Eddie for being so incompetent, I have to love when he takes things into his own hands and shits on the creeps he un-ironically considers his users. I haven't checked Content Violations for a while, but I can just imagine how many crying pedos and closet rapists are screaming THOUGHTCRIME! and ORWELLIAN! at the loss of their precious wank indexes.

There's a big difference between letting such pages exist and advocating paedophilia/rape. It's almost as if Fast Eddie is of the mindset that anything remotely controversial must be swept under the rug and purged from view, and its existence denied.

"Cut anything that is about paedophilia"

Yeah, so with this masterful, carefully thought-out policy statement you can't have anything analysing it objectively outside the context of sexual gratification. Very ham-fisted, I think. It's making more out of it than there should be. You don't see Wikipedia deleting any and all articles about such things. Eh, screw tvtropes. Sure goes over the deep end over anything and everything.

I know, right? I was barely even aware TV Tropes had a userbase and a site admin named Fast Eddie until this month, when they became horribly impossible to ignore. I think I may have looked at a forum thread or two and saw a few discussion pages, then fled back to the actual trope pages and never looked back. The Headscratchers and Wild Mass Guessing pages were all I needed if I craved discussion. Never realized anything was up until Fate/Stay Night got mysteriously cut.

Then the whole Kodomo no Jikan debacle happened, where the whole argument boiled down to "the article should be kept in some form, <url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13345387140A33840100&page=20#494>for very good reasons" vs. "it's pedoshit and you're a bunch of pedophiles for defending it," of which Eddie jams his fingers into his ears and comes down firmly on the latter side...and now I find out that there actually are visible creeps on the site who used it as wank material?

Sigh...you're lucky. Disillusionment aside, I don't think I can quite the site until it actually goes under. It's helped me in more ways than one, and I still feel some attachment to it, especially the pages I contribute to most frequently.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

It?s about fiction all fiction regardless of what you think of it.

Incidentally, this is a big part of why TVTropes is a steaming cesspool.

for doing what, writing an article about some hentai series? Just go read an article about something you like

This isn't entirely fair, but in a nutshell:

I wasn't aware we measured quality by number of words.

Also it's a cheap shot to compare the article for a TV show that's been on for a while to one about a single story.

I'm pretty sure it's a game that came from an XKCD strip. You find articles about real world things and then fictional variations, and cry about how much more detailed the fictional one is. A fictional example would be finding out that the Battlefield 1942 article is shorter than the one on the real World War II (in reality the one on the actual war is an order of magnitude longer, but Wikipedia seems to have cleaned up the major articles since that comic was posted, so I couldn't find any real examples.)

My guess is that TVTropes hasn't had the same kind of editing Wikipedia has since that comic came out, so the examples are easier to find. Or maybe I was just looking for the wrong ones and both wikis are still full of that kind of thing. I think that's probably the more likely case.

Which xkcd was that, I read lots of them and I didn't see it.

Looks like I was mistaken. Google tells me it originated with Something Awful, although I could have sworn some webcomic or another introduced me to it. Whatever it was, it wasn't XKCD, unless I just suck at finding comics.

 

[Malgorath]

Censorship is the enemy of Good story telling

Oh don't start with censorship. I don't like censorship, but TV Tropes is a site about man children talking about their favorite under aged porn. It looks nice on the outside, but it's pretty much horrible on the inside.

Google is requesting it to go down because it's supposed to be a "family friendly" site. Either take out the family friendly tag or take out the creepy shit. It's not that hard.

You are either a troll or have never been on TVTropes. I go on all the time, and even though TVTropes can ruin your life and vocabulary, the community is mostly made of normal, intelligent people. Yes, there are porn and rape tropes, but they aren't made for people to look them up in order to find porn or rape scenes. It's merely a database of tropes used in the media an information about their use along with tropes to compare and contrast with them.

 

[Clearing the Eye]

Freedom of speech, freedom of information?

Pisha!
That's SO outdated.

I wish people would stop saying things like that.

Freedom of speech has no impact on private groups; they can censor whatever they feel like, whenever they feel like and it has nothing to do with civil liberty. Freedom of information also has nothing to do with pop culture. It describes the right for citizens to have reasonable access to information regarding the operation of the government and the law.

 

[waj9876]

Wait, there's a way to join TVTropes? I've been looking for a way to do that for MONTHS! Either I'm not looking hard enough, or it's a strange previous-wiki-membership thing it may have accidentally implied. (For a few days I honestly thought it was a secret membership made up of only the best of the best wiki editors. Seriously...)

OT: You know what? After reading on this subject for a total of, oh say...three hours, I've actually got an opinion on a subject I know next to nothing about. Let the creepy people keep their creepy shit that in no way harms any actual people. Does it honestly matter if someone can use something to wank off to? As long as that's not it's original purpose, I don't see what the problem is.

OT For The Real OT: Both Google and TVTropes are in the wrong here...That's all I have to say on that.

 

[Cecilthedarkknight_234]

This is just a taste of the cyclical arguments that have culminated in the purging of Rape Tropes.


As much as I hate Fast Eddie for being so incompetent, I have to love when he takes things into his own hands and shits on the creeps he un-ironically considers his users. I haven't checked Content Violations for a while, but I can just imagine how many crying pedos and closet rapists are screaming THOUGHTCRIME! and ORWELLIAN! at the loss of their precious wank indexes.

so there is nothing creepy about a guy who wants to have sex with 5 year old horses from a children's cartoon? His opinion matters as much to me as any-one else, also why I am at kodomo no jikan is a masterpiece of literature deal with it.

Also this is TV-tropes I can care less about a sh** web-site with a user base worse than 4chan or reddit. All I can ponder is this.. so anything involving rape well there goes my law and order svu online index.. oh wait there is a wiki for that.

I've never really liked the power google wields over the internet and the real world.

If you want to run ads and make money off of those ads then it's part of ToS you agree upon. T.V tropes should instead get 3rd party ads from other sites that don't have to abide by those rules but whatever.

 

[lacktheknack]

Yeah, it did kind of get way out of hand before the purging started. Some pages, i wont say which (though to some it should be obvious), basically degenerated into a hentai index.

But such is the nature of an unregulated wiki, im surprised it didnt get this bad sooner.

Also while the loss of specifically Mind Rape is terrible, im sure itll end up being replaced with a new bumper sticker over the old name. Only we cant use that certain scene from Evangelion for the title anymore.

EDIT:

Ok, i see some people are aiming hate at Google over this.

The problem was that the pages became too detailed as a result of fetishists getting carried away. As for what kind of fetishist, heres a prime example with a ton of exxageration.

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Aaaaaand this is why we can't have nice things.

At least they're putting the rape tropes back.

 

[bushwhacker2k]

TBH I'm against removing it just because it's distasteful.

The point of tropes is that they're significantly overused, thus pointing out that rape as a plot device is cheap and implies a lack of substance. If we remove them then it's like we're saying that rape isn't an overused plot device (it is).

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Maybe I'm misunderstanding but it really does seem like a standard case of censorship.

Something won't cease to exist because someone wants to pretend it doesn't exist. TVTropes is an EXTREMELY comprehensive website where I actually find a lot of information about things in media, I don't want it to get scaled down because someone is afraid of someone being offended.

 

[DigitalSushi]

The nerd/geek community right now is in the middle of a phase of self-examination when it comes to the use of sexual violence as a storytelling device in media for one, and the treatment of women and female characters for another.

I see the deletion of these Rape Tropes articles as a plus point, the gaming community is in a state of self reflection at the minute after E3 and its probably for the best that the gamers formulate their own opinions on this hot topic instead of regugitatating a trope a 14 year old from Alaska wrote in their spare time.

Take some points from a trope yes, but think for yourself.

 

[likalaruku]

Is it ironic that The Mary Sue thinks the rape tropes are a loss when last year TV Tropes removed a huge chunk of its Mary Sue trope examples?