Villain choice for the MCU Spiderman film.

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I know it's a long way off, but who would you like to be the villain in the MCUs first spiderman film? Bearing in mind that it isn't an origin story so peter parker will have been slightly established, I personally wouldn't mind a middle tier villain to begin with. I'm talking about the one, the only...

Shocker.

I think that while shocker is very much a small fry, it could work with a bit of set up. Have Herman Schultz (or maybe even a female version, shockers gender isn;t that important) be caught by spiderman during a bank heist, escape (thanks to a distraction provided by say, the events of Avengers 1 or 2 where spiderman evacuates civilians) and decide that he needs to up his game in order to compete with spidey, creating the suit and gauntlets with help from an unnamed benefactor.

From there onwards he attempts to conduct bigger and better heists with more resources at his disposal thanks to the benefactor, conducting them in a professional and meticulous manner as before he had the suit (Shocker isn't mad, he's there to do a job. The suit is just insurance against superheroes) but deliberately goes out of his way to prevent harm being caused to civilians. This would make him unusual as a villain, with his humanity potentially being a weakness.

It could also present an issue that (somewhat surprisingly) hasn't really been addressed in the MCU. Supervillain activity has increased as superheroes have become more prominent, and could be interpreted as cause and effect by say, J.Jonah Jameson. This could bring up greater public distrust towards superheroes (building on that doubtless caused by civil war) and lead to more interesting places for the MCU as a whole.

Also, chance for a decent speech by shocker-

"With great power comes great responsibility? Well here's the thing spiderman, you're responsible for me. If you hadn't arrived I would've been just another crook trying to make a living and keep up a reputation. You made me up my game. I made this suit, these weapons, and now I'm more dangerous than before thanks to your intervention. You're partially responsible for the shocker, and I want that to haunt you."

Also, for the final post-credits scene, have the benefactor revealed. Make it Norman Osborn for Green Goblin set up, or (my prefered choice) Kingpin as he attempts to remove a threat to his empire whilst making Schultz a pawn.

What are your thoughts? I reckon Mysterio will be a popular option!
 

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Yeah I was think of Mysterio too and aswell the Vulture. There also Kraven the Hunter and maybe Hobgoblin too.
 

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If anyone says anything but Carnage, their instantly wrong... just saying. We need a cooler Venom too. Actually just focus on the Symbiotes, fuck everyone else.
 

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No idea what this new Spider's going to be like but... Scorpion.

Because he's never been in any Spider-Man film, yet has a fairly strong power set born from the same source as Peter. Probably the closest one to the dichotomy between Spidey and Venom where someone gets radioactive insect powers like Peter has (scorpions being selected for the hybridization experiment specifically because they're stronger than spiders) but displays absolutely no responsibility with them and suffers as a result (not up to date on his status in the comics, but the TAS version of Mac Gargan had a fiancee who suffered because of his criminal acts using his powers, eventually leading to him trying to become human again, though once again without caring who he has to hurt to do it, so of course he always fails).

Like the Spider-Slayer robots, he was created in response to Spider-Man's existence with the express objective of killing him. That couldn't happen in a film with the origin story, but if Peter's already been on the job a while and racked up some hero cred, Scorpion's creation would be plausible. Also leading him to develop a personal grudge towards Spidey after realizing that being a genetic freak isn't all fun and games, since without Spider-Man he wouldn't have been mutated (never mind that he volunteered for it in most iterations... he is right up there with Eddie Brock when it comes to blaming everyone but himself for his problems).

Can't think of a good speech for him like OP's Shocker idea at the moment. Probably some kind of offer about how they're both predators shunned by society now, so they should start preying on normal people because they're inferior flies. Too Willem Dafoe Green Goblin-ish maybe?

And when Spider-Man rejects him, he can get mad and scream, 'GET OVER HERE!'
 

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I would love to see some more Venom, and I'd bet money Marvel will bring him in eventually but hes not a first movie villain hes to big.

First they would have to need a reason for him to put on the black suit, have him split from it and then fight Venom. Along with character building and story behind it. And then what do you do with the next movie? how do you top Venom?
 

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Elfgore said:
If anyone says anything but Carnage, their instantly wrong... just saying. We need a cooler Venom too. Actually just focus on the Symbiotes, fuck everyone else.
chaser5000 said:
I would love to see some more Venom, and I'd bet money Marvel will bring him in eventually but hes not a first movie villain hes to big.

First they would have to need a reason for him to put on the black suit, have him split from it and then fight Venom. Along with character building and story behind it. And then what do you do with the next movie? how do you top Venom?
the problem with the Symbiotes is that you need Spiderman to be in the black suit first which you need a full movie to explore that properly and after you introduce venom you need to wait another movie to introduce carnage so for a good Carnage movie so you need to wait three movies. So to recap you need at least one movie done before you can get to venom and you need 2 movies for Carnage
 

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Mysterio's my first choice.

I'd like to see Chameleon, maybe with some other villain as muscle for fight scenes. Mysterio has illusions and robots and henchmen, while Chamelion has...a belt buckle and some admittedly sweet spy skills.

Tombstone would also be cool, and not just because of the Spectacular cartoon.

Finally, I'd like to see Jackal. Miles Warren was sometimes a formidable enemy, and could lend to the science elements without invoking people already in either movie series. I'd like to see at least a couple movies without Doc Ock, Green Goblin and Curt Connors.

Bonus round: I'd really like to see Prowler show up as a villain-cum-ally.

Johnny Novgorod said:
I doubt they'd cast another electricy-based Spidey villain so soon after Electro.
Shocker's gauntlets are vibration. Only the name is similar.

Anyway, I'm not sure having two electricity themed villains is worse than having (a) Green Goblin in three of the five movies.
 

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tf2godz said:
Elfgore said:
If anyone says anything but Carnage, their instantly wrong... just saying. We need a cooler Venom too. Actually just focus on the Symbiotes, fuck everyone else.
chaser5000 said:
I would love to see some more Venom, and I'd bet money Marvel will bring him in eventually but hes not a first movie villain hes to big.

First they would have to need a reason for him to put on the black suit, have him split from it and then fight Venom. Along with character building and story behind it. And then what do you do with the next movie? how do you top Venom?
the problem with the Symbiotes is that you need Spiderman to be in the black suit first which you need a full movie to explore that properly and after you introduce venom you need to wait another movie to introduce carnage so for a good Carnage movie so you need to wait three movies. So to recap you need at least one movie done before you can get to venom and you need 2 movies for Carnage
You could put Pete in the black suit and make Venom the focus of the entire first movie if you really wanted. What made SM-3 suck was a disappointing Vwenom tacked on, but since Spidey's first showing up in Civil War, he could don the black suit and have a satisfying finale in the first go.

But I wouldn't personally do that.
 
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Yeah, it has to Venom, and hopefully Carnage as well. Assuming this movie comes after Infinity War, which I guess it has to since it's not on the schedule, the MCU will have a very well established cosmos outside of Earth. We and everyone in-universe will be well aware of the larger galaxy and how dangerous it is.

So what better time to bring in Spider Man's arguably most popular villain, who just so happens to come from space? Venom really, really needs a proper treatment after Spider Man 3, and with so many of Spidey's villains having been seen so recently in the Amazing movies, it will be time to see the symbiotes.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Mysterio's my first choice.

I'd like to see Chameleon, maybe with some other villain as muscle for fight scenes. Mysterio has illusions and robots and henchmen, while Chamelion has...a belt buckle and some admittedly sweet spy skills.

Tombstone would also be cool, and not just because of the Spectacular cartoon.

Finally, I'd like to see Jackal. Miles Warren was sometimes a formidable enemy, and could lend to the science elements without invoking people already in either movie series. I'd like to see at least a couple movies without Doc Ock, Green Goblin and Curt Connors.

Bonus round: I'd really like to see Prowler show up as a villain-cum-ally.

Johnny Novgorod said:
I doubt they'd cast another electricy-based Spidey villain so soon after Electro.
Shocker's gauntlets are vibration. Only the name is similar.

Anyway, I'm not sure having two electricity themed villains is worse than having (a) Green Goblin in three of the five movies.
I wouldn't cast Green Goblin either, and he's arguably in 4 of the 5 Spidey movies.
 

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LeathermanKick25 said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
I doubt they'd cast another electricy-based Spidey villain so soon after Electro.
I doubted they would reboot so soon after Electro..
Is a Sinister Six movie completely out of the question at this point? Weren't they hinting at one by the end of the last movie?
 

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I want Venom, not much more to say to that, just want Venom.

tf2godz said:
the problem with the Symbiotes is that you need Spiderman to be in the black suit first which you need a full movie to explore that properly and after you introduce venom you need to wait another movie to introduce carnage so for a good Carnage movie so you need to wait three movies. So to recap you need at least one movie done before you can get to venom and you need 2 movies for Carnage
I don't know if it needs to take that long but I agree, the Symbiote needs to be explored to some degree before it can be understood that Carnage is some serious trouble.
I think you can have Spidey in the black suit and have it move to Eddie Brock in the same movie. Yeah, I remember Spider-Man 3 and most of it's problems but simply the Symbiotes's progression from Peter to Eddie wasn't one of them,or maybe it was, I really can't remember. Cut the dancing and actually do Venom right this time, it can be done in one movie.
 

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No love for Kraven the Hunter?

I'd also be a fan of the Hobgoblin but with Phil Urich's modern design, with the wings, sonic voice and fiery sword. Not just a green goblin copycat.
 

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Yeah Venom cannot be done in one movie. They should have a movie entirely with the black suit, maybe end the movie with Spiderman almost murdering the villain of that movie (Let's make it be Doctor Octopus or even Kraven) have him tear off the suit then. But before they can do that they should set up Eddie Brock from the start of the first movie. Maybe make him Peter's role model, a big guy who's kind of a Big Brother figure to Peter, then have Peter start being more of a douche after getting the black suit. Then have Spiderman do something incredibly reckless and do something horrible to Eddie. Like, get his girlfriend or something killed. Then Eddie has a reason to hate Spiderman and Peter Parker.

So pretty much do exactly what Spectacular Spiderman did where they built up Venom over the course of an entire season.
 

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I'd like an introduction of Eddie Brock, and an end that hints at the symbiote, in regards to Venom, so that we don't just have "LOOK VENOM", which is part of what I think killed Venom's arc (non-arc) in the execrable SM3.

As for villains, I'd like a bunch of lesser villains or one-offs here and there (Humbug, Frog-Man, Paste-Pot Pete, I'm looking at you), essentially showing that Spidey's already got the swing (pun intended) of things down; then lead to the Tinker as the main villain.

Maybe establish Black Cat, and have her be part of the moral conflict arc that seems to be ingrained into the Black Suit now, in the next movie.

Barring that, I'd like a team-up of villains wrecking SM's profile; like Chameleon and Mysterio joining forces.

If it has to be one villain, though, my vote's for Scorpion; a character literally created to take down SM, funded by JJJ himself (though likely not in the movie version, possibly an attempt to recreate the Super Soldier Serum by AIM or Hydra).

Or, fuck it. The Jackal. Set up the Clone Saga now, so it isn't a surprise in 3 movies.