VP Joe Biden Claims "No Restriction" Against Taxing Violent Games

Jan 22, 2011
450
0
0
Lovely Mixture said:
Desert Punk said:
amaranth_dru said:
Joe Biden. This is the guy who takes over if something happens to Obama. This guy. And people, you voted for him if you voted Obama. Pray nothing happens to Obama.
Or pray if someone takes a shot they get em both :p

Would be far more productive!
Look; I'm all for bashing dumb politicians, but I draw the line at advocating their deaths.
Meh we will just have to wait another 10-15 years and most will die of health issues any-ways. By then I hope some new-blood can get into congress and the senate and bring real change.
 

Robot Number V

New member
May 15, 2012
657
0
0
I want to note a REALLY important part of the article that a lot of people probably missed.

*ahem*
And Moviebob-esque "Comics are weird" voice is....[HEADING=3]ON.....OK.
*ahem*
IT IS NOT ACTUALLY LEGAL FOR THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT TO TAX VIOLENT VIDEOGAMES, ACCORDING TO THE SUPREME COURT.[/HEADING]

Now, is it bad that Biden doesn't know that? Yeah, it is. But the important thing to note here is that videogames aren't in any real danger.
 

ThatDarnCoyote

New member
Dec 3, 2011
224
0
0
Covarr said:
P.P.S. I do still think he's an idiot, though. Honestly, this is one of the smarter things he's said.
Well, after repeatedly beclowning himself on gun control with his blather about shotguns [http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/02/20/joe-biden-shotgun-advice-could-land-jill-biden-in-jail], he had nowhere to go but up.

FalloutJack said:
VMK said:
Well, people can go bonkers AFTER getting their license, but overall I agree. Also, as far as I am aware, in many southern states, firearms are sold like candies (correct me if I am wrong, please). This must be changed too, I think.
True, but THEN we can claim that it couldn't have been predicted, that we gave a gun to someone for whom doctors believed in the mental health of.

As for southern states, uhhh...I live in Pittsburgh. I don't actually know what goes on down there. Can someone from maybe Texas give us an answer here?
South Carolina here, and I bought a new pistol this past January. The procedure is much the same in the South as it is anywhere else in the country - I filled out the form 4473 with my personal information, and gave the clerk my driver's license. He disappeared into the back with the gun and my paperwork, where he ran me through the FBI's National Instant Check System database, to ensure that I am not flagged for any purpose (felony conviction, adjudicated mental incompetency, misdemeanor convictions for domestic violence, etc.). Since I'm not, he returned, I paid for the gun, and left. The whole process took about an hour.

The kicker? That gun shop is just down the road from the state Police Academy, where I was temporarily assigned as a firearms instructor. When I bought the gun I was still in my academy instructor uniform. Even if you're a uniformed cop with a badge and a police ID, they still check you.

It ain't like buying candies. If the process to buy candies were the same, we wouldn't have the obesity problem we have. :)
 

magicmonkeybars

Gullible Dolt
Nov 20, 2007
908
0
0
It's alright, you can play drone-strike and be paid for it by the government !
Kill as many Americans as you can !
Special missions straight from the white house.
Uncle Joe needs you, to kill more people with real weapons !
 

Risingblade

New member
Mar 15, 2010
2,893
0
0
Desert Punk said:
amaranth_dru said:
Joe Biden. This is the guy who takes over if something happens to Obama. This guy. And people, you voted for him if you voted Obama. Pray nothing happens to Obama.
Or pray if someone takes a shot they get em both :p

Would be far more productive!
But then the Speaker of the House becomes president D;
 

DRes82

New member
Apr 9, 2009
426
0
0
Leximodicon said:
Oh America, when will you stop being the xenophobic laughing stock of the civilized world?
Oh wow. Now I remember why I stopped posting here.

I have to post something on topic now, right? *sigh*

Joe Biden isn't representative of any sort of majority here. Here, he's clearly pandering to a group of conservative religious fundamentalists. So anything he said, especially in this context, shouldn't be considered an issue or even given a second thought. The writer just picked some specific words (video games, faith-based,first amendment, gun control)that he knew would get all you escapist posters wound up. As far as video games go, I'd say we're pretty progressive. Look at Australia's track record with the media...and PEGI in the UK. Yeah, we're doing just fine here.

And with that, I'm off. I need a mint or a shower or something after reading through these forums again.
 

JoesshittyOs

New member
Aug 10, 2011
1,965
0
0
VMK said:
Schadrach said:
VMK said:
Meanwhile, in New Orleans another shooting happened. Three guys gunned Mother day parade participants...With real world guns... that shoot real world bullets... at real world people.

Americans, question: what percentage of American citizens are against gun restriction? I just want to understand whether your politicians are idiots (or pretending to be ones), or they just don't want to lose votes?
The reason why serious gun control is unconstitutional is literally right next to the reason why a "violent media tax" is unconstitutional.
Yeah, yeah, second ammendment... Written during muskets era... I bet Washington & Co knew that in the future we'll have firearms that can literally slaughter about 50 people in about 15 seconds.

Anyhow, about percentages... Any info?
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/295519-support-for-gun-control-slips-below-50-percent-after-senate-vote

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeffrey-meyer/2013/04/23/support-gun-control-drops-49-percent-will-media-cover

Literally just googled it.

And the founding Fathers probably did know that weapons were going to get much more powerful. They were pretty smart people. They were against the idea of the US having an army from the start, hoping that certain militias would be the main fighting force of the United States. Likewise, it's also not the point. The point of the second amendment was for the common populace to arm itself. They felt that an armed populace was conducive to an actual free society. The point of the second amendment is so that the common populace holds the power. It's the price of having a free society in the US.

Oh, and not to mention that gun violence has dropped 39% in the past 2 decades. http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2013/May/Studies-Show-Significant-Drop-in-Gun-Violence/

Yes, shootings happen. But not having access to guns isn't gonna stop these people from committing violent acts. If someone wants to kill someone, they'll find a way to get it done. If someone wants to kill a lot of people, they'll make a bomb.
 

Storm Dragon

New member
Nov 29, 2011
477
0
0
I really just want to fire the entirety of the federal government and replace them with a bunch of kindergartners. They'd do a better job running this place.
 

Lunar Templar

New member
Sep 20, 2009
8,225
0
0
VMK said:
Meanwhile, in New Orleans another shooting happened. Three guys gunned Mother day parade participants...With real world guns... that shoot real world bullets... at real world people.

Americans, question: what percentage of American citizens are against gun restriction? I just want to understand whether your politicians are idiots (or pretending to be ones), or they just don't want to lose votes?
it's a combination of fear on behalf of the politicians, idiocy, and money from groups like the NRA.
 

FalloutJack

Bah weep grah nah neep ninny bom
Nov 20, 2008
15,489
0
0
ThatDarnCoyote said:
But I like jellybabies...
Ah, thank you. Now, I didn't think it was too easy to get a gun in any other part of the country, but seeing as how I can only speak for a small part of it, it was better to ask someone who knows. And it is indeed good to know that the practice is so-observed properly.

Storm Dragon said:
I really just want to fire the entirety of the federal government and replace them with a bunch of kindergartners. They'd do a better job running this place.
You know, I think that's no change at all, really. Many people compare the old and senile to the young and childish. What you want is someone who understands politics better than politicians and can take the piss out of it. Colbert may have turned down the idea of being president, but why not another comedian? I seem to recall a movie about this...
 

Baresark

New member
Dec 19, 2010
3,908
0
0
Joe Biden's agenda is to stay a politician. You people have to realize that while he says those things, he is simply telling that particular group of constituents what they want to hear. That particular group is adept at being retarded when it comes to things like that. They are the first type of people to join an anti-tax movement, then also put forth the idea that the thing or things they don't care about/don't like, should be taxed. That is why politician shouldn't be allowed to be a career path. Joe Biden, Obama, GW Bush.... all liars who would sell their mothers to "turrists" to stay elected. They are pathetic, as is anyone who would champion their causes.
 

Baresark

New member
Dec 19, 2010
3,908
0
0
Akalabeth said:
Howabout increased taxes on guns?
How about no increases on taxes from either guns or video games. That is what actually makes sense, instead of falling into the same trap they want you to. Ignore the fact that the government spends money like it falls from the sky. Keep giving them money and they will keep spending it. You and I have to live on some sort of budget, they don't because they keep fooling people into letting them take more money.
 

Baresark

New member
Dec 19, 2010
3,908
0
0
VMK said:
Meanwhile, in New Orleans another shooting happened. Three guys gunned Mother day parade participants...With real world guns... that shoot real world bullets... at real world people.

Americans, question: what percentage of American citizens are against gun restriction? I just want to understand whether your politicians are idiots (or pretending to be ones), or they just don't want to lose votes?
That's a trick question. No one is against gun restriction or gun laws. It's actually pretty amusing when they talk about further restricting gun ownership because in a lot of places it's actually really hard to get guns. If you live in a city it's nearly impossible to get anything but a shotgun (which is the worst possible weapon to actually defend your home with). But there is literally no way to stop bad people from getting guns unless no one has guns, and even then bad people will still have ways of getting them that law abiding citizens won't have a way to protect against. Sure, you can argue that it is still better that no one has guns, but it's also not right to punish the 45% of the US (in 2011 statistics) that own guns and manage not to murder anyone or even have to draw on another human being. Also, they don't want to lose votes, that is all any politician anywhere really cares about... or at least most politicians, and that same number are just idiots. Joe Biden is actually a really big idiot here because as videogames fall under first amendment protection (according to the Supreme Court), there is that stopping them from taxing it.
 

Silent Protagonist

New member
Jul 18, 2020
270
0
0
I can't believe all the backwards simpletons defending the first amendment here. Can't you see it is obsolete, the product of a bygone era. Seriously, when the first amendment was written the most effective way of conveying you ideas, beliefs, and opinions was shouting loudly in the streets. But today with the internet, videos, and video games, any idiot can just log on and reach literally millions of people with whatever message they want to convey on a whim. You seriously think something from a time when the newspaper was the highest form of spreading speech holds up today in a world were we have murder simulators available for download instantly at the push of a button. The technology of today has made speech too dangerous for the public to have a right to it.

Sarcasm, or maybe satire if I were to be so bold, for those who didn't pick that up and may believe the above is my actual opinion. Admittedly it felt a little heavy handed, I hope I don't get warned for calling no one in particular a "backwards simpleton"
 

MeChaNiZ3D

New member
Aug 30, 2011
3,104
0
0
Maybe there isn't a legal reason. BUT THERE'S A FUCKING LOGICAL ONE.

You don't understand what effect violent video games have in an even ballpark sense, if they have an effect at all. Why. The fuck. Would you tax them.
 

TheScientificIssole

New member
Jun 9, 2011
514
0
0
Chrono212 said:
They should tax violent computers next. And get a Vice President called Dave. And have all law making done by voice command.

Yeah but no but. It's really, really, really boring when Washington want's to legislate to control, or in this case, tax the pretend guns instead of the real ones.
Don't tax shit! The producers of guns and games made their product, they should get profit. The federal government shouldn't be able to cash in on the productivity of real markets.
Desert Punk said:
amaranth_dru said:
Joe Biden. This is the guy who takes over if something happens to Obama. This guy. And people, you voted for him if you voted Obama. Pray nothing happens to Obama.
Or pray if someone takes a shot they get em both :p

Would be far more productive!
Collateral +20?
DVS BSTrD said:
Leximodicon said:
Oh America, when will you stop being the xenophobic laughing stock of the civilized world?
When the south actually cares about an issue enough to secede again. But since 90% of all politicians are hypocrites that won't happen.

...yet.
I don't know, the South is the best place in the US to me. The Mid-US isn't a nice place, and the north and west coast are becoming terrible liberal majorities. The South is the final beacon of a balanced political conflict. If the South seceded the US would be done for.
 

Lovely Mixture

New member
Jul 12, 2011
1,474
0
0
Cecilthedarkknight_234 said:
Lovely Mixture said:
Look; I'm all for bashing dumb politicians, but I draw the line at advocating their deaths.
Meh we will just have to wait another 10-15 years and most will die of health issues any-ways. By then I hope some new-blood can get into congress and the senate and bring real change.
True enough. It's only a matter of hoping that the new-blood won't try to emulate the old-blood too much.

MeChaNiZ3D said:
Maybe there isn't a legal reason. BUT THERE'S A FUCKING LOGICAL ONE.

You don't understand what effect violent video games have in an even ballpark sense, if they have an effect at all. Why. The fuck. Would you tax them.
As per my current psychology class: according to most research they do actually have some effect on behavior but it's apparently such a small correlation that all the researchers didn't think it proved anything.

Of course, anyone will try try pulling up studies that show otherwise and it just becomes a battle of evidence flinging. And it's all irrelevant because the real issue is parenting.

Though on the note of "why would you tax them?" Do we tax movies, porn, sports and plays? Not that it would make the case for taxing games any stronger, I'm just curious. Back in the colonial era we had the "sin tax." But I'm pretty sure such a thing was (or would be) overridden by business strategic laws.

Storm Dragon said:
I really just want to fire the entirety of the federal government and replace them with a bunch of kindergartners. They'd do a better job running this place.
I recall one female comedian that said "you can either be vice-secretary of state or a kindergarten teacher....Either way you have to handle a baby who can barely form complete sentences."