WALL-E Writers Win Humanitas Award

Casual Shinji

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Strange, why couldn't something be targeted to children and adults? Children only pay attention to the cute and cuddly, yes that's very true, but that simply doesn't mean that there can't be a message in it that adults can understand. Just because the kids don't see it doesn't mean that it isn't there. It's like the double humour in some old cartoons, just because the young kids only see the slapstick violence, doesn't mean that the cartoon can't be extremely witty at the same time. The young one's simply don't notice that, but we do. Why would that make it less witty? Or in WALL-E's case, less thought-provoking?
Casual Shinji said:
In all honesty, I didn't really like this movie at all.

The first act was pretty cool, seeing a mute robot traversing a desolate metropolis. But the instant the movie enterd outer space it lost all it's dignity.
Really?! Didn't you just go "awwww" at EVE and WALL-E's 'space dance'?! I found that to be absolutely beautiful.
I think it's odd that overall opinion is that kids don't sense the deeper meaning of life. They might not understand it or be able to explain it, but that doesn't mean they don't feel it. Some of my childhood movies were The Dark Crystal and The Neverending Story. I didn't just like those movies because they had pretty fluffy pictures, i liked them because they had meaning. I didn't understand it at the time, but I most surely felt it.

In response to me not liking WALL-E. I felt that Pixar p*ssied out by putting humans in the movie. Apparently they didn't feel confident enough that the audience would sympayhize with two mute robots. So they put in funny looking humans with a romance of there own. This killed the movie for me. I would've loved it if it was just WALL-E and EVE roaming the lonely Earth filled with lost memories.
 

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Um, exactly--the "culture of waste, and of leisure at the expense of all else" that is responsible for the Earth becoming uninhabitable is also the one behind people getting fat. Like you said, the two are symptoms with one root cause.
Except that they're not fat. Well, not just fat, but fat in a particular way.

It's baby fat.

I'm not kidding. The animators at Pixar have come out and confirmed it. The chins, the bellies, the limbs, they're not shaped the way they would be in a morbidly-obese adult... and check out the Captain trying to stand on his own two feet during his fight with Otto, his posture and surface-gripping. Heck, even his shoes.

It's not that the passengers are wasteful and lazy, it's that they've been infantalised by the ship-nanny and not only protected from all risk but also held back from any true responsibility... and thus entirely dependant upon the ship-nanny. (Arguably it's about how Buy'N'Large convinced consumers to do the same during its tenure on Earth, too.) It's also how people on Earth refused responsibility for the consequences of their actions, placing it in the hands of others. Note how quickly the passengers (and their kids, in the credits) grow into adulthood once they return and start doing their own clean-up.

Admittedly, Disney is the last studio to be able to unironically stand on a high horse and lecture us about the perils of an all-encompassing yet faceless parental entity... but Pixar did it.

-- Steve
 

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AkJay said:
Anyways i really rather not talk about it, i foresee this as becoming something of a war ending in inevitable probation's/suspensions, i consider this argument over. Good day.
It is. You lost it.
 

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Tranka Verrane said:
AkJay said:
Anyways i really rather not talk about it, i foresee this as becoming something of a war ending in inevitable probation's/suspensions, i consider this argument over. Good day.
It is. You lost it.
You're really going to throw that punch man? that might as well be asking for another flame-war. reported due to your sheer audacity for being a cretin.
 

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My entire family loves pixar movies, and not just because some like the message and some like the humour. We like it because we can all appreciate the humour and subtleties introduced through the themes. If you say kids watch it for the fun and jokes, while parents watch it for some kind of moral or another, that's a little bit short-sighted of you. Both can enjoy the best of both worlds.

I'm 18, and I would go so far as to consider myself fairly grown up and mature, however I don't go back and watch Ice Age every now and again because I'm losing my sense of what teamwork is and want to be reminded. I watch it because it's funny, and damned if I'm not going to go out of my way to have a bit of juvenile enjoyment at the expense of the dodo's, because they're a hoot.

So yes, Wall-E deserves this for providing us with good morals in the face of humanity's effect upon blah blah blah, etc etc etc, I don't really care, but does so in a way that can be appreciated and enjoyed by everyone. Unless you didn't like Wall-E, in which can you can go back to watching people getting pulled apart in whatever is the most recent Saw movie, because as any good Saw nut will tell you, they have an underlying message too.
 

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No. This is not true. Such things do not happen. Humanitarian awards do not go to Pixar movies that simply rehash an old theme using cutsyness. I will not acknowledge this... it is not true.
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Elurindel said:
Truly deserved. I can't remember the last time I let myself enjoy a kids movie as much as I did Wall-E. Pixar must have struck some sort of devil's bargain for their movies to be this good.
I had a discussion with a friend about this. She convinced me that Wall-E is one of those movies(UP being another one) that should define the term "Family Friendly" in that Kids and Adults enjoy it just as much. As opposed to "Kids movie" that kids tend to like and Adults are bored out of their skulls or puking from the uber-sweetness.
 

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Anton P. Nym said:
Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Um, exactly--the "culture of waste, and of leisure at the expense of all else" that is responsible for the Earth becoming uninhabitable is also the one behind people getting fat. Like you said, the two are symptoms with one root cause.
Except that they're not fat. Well, not just fat, but fat in a particular way.

It's baby fat.

I'm not kidding. The animators at Pixar have come out and confirmed it. The chins, the bellies, the limbs, they're not shaped the way they would be in a morbidly-obese adult... and check out the Captain trying to stand on his own two feet during his fight with Otto, his posture and surface-gripping. Heck, even his shoes.

It's not that the passengers are wasteful and lazy, it's that they've been infantalised by the ship-nanny and not only protected from all risk but also held back from any true responsibility... and thus entirely dependant upon the ship-nanny. (Arguably it's about how Buy'N'Large convinced consumers to do the same during its tenure on Earth, too.) It's also how people on Earth refused responsibility for the consequences of their actions, placing it in the hands of others. Note how quickly the passengers (and their kids, in the credits) grow into adulthood once they return and start doing their own clean-up.

Admittedly, Disney is the last studio to be able to unironically stand on a high horse and lecture us about the perils of an all-encompassing yet faceless parental entity... but Pixar did it.

-- Steve
Could it not also be obesity brought on by 0 gravity?
 

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Wakefield said:
I had to go buy these DVD the moment it came out. Must have seen it half a dozen times in theatres. Truly a great movie, the definitely deserved it.
Every time I see this movie on I always watch it...
Awesome movie...
 

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AkJay said:
MA7743W said:
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AkJay said:
Shawshank Redemption. Schindlers List. WALL-E. . . Something is clearly wrong here.
Your thought is that something can't be affirming of basic dignities and involve important emotions and concepts and still be for kids?

Not baiting harsh responses here or anything, just wondering.
You know what, yes. That is exactly what i am saying, word for fucking word.
Well why can't a kids film have an important emotional message ?
Because most kids under the age of 10, whom these films are targeting, don't understand the message they are trying to get across, in other terms, their speech has fallen on deaf ears.
I think someone hasn't spent much time around children. You'd be surprised at how much a kid will pick up and remember much later. I'm not saying all kids will get it, but at the same time I'd like to point out that Pixar is hardly "just for kids" anymore.
 

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AkJay said:
Tranka Verrane said:
AkJay said:
Anyways i really rather not talk about it, i foresee this as becoming something of a war ending in inevitable probation's/suspensions, i consider this argument over. Good day.
It is. You lost it.
You're really going to throw that punch man? that might as well be asking for another flame-war. reported due to your sheer audacity for being a cretin.
And reported back for your inability to cope with not having had the last word. It is possible for you to be wrong, you know, something you obviously haven't quite grasped yet. Coming in and making yet another fatuous comment and then declaring an argument over is the worst kind of forum trolling and makes me violently angry. If you consider an argument over, stop posting in it, simple as that.
 

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Tranka Verrane said:
AkJay said:
Tranka Verrane said:
AkJay said:
Anyways i really rather not talk about it, i foresee this as becoming something of a war ending in inevitable probation's/suspensions, i consider this argument over. Good day.
It is. You lost it.
You're really going to throw that punch man? that might as well be asking for another flame-war. reported due to your sheer audacity for being a cretin.
And reported back for your inability to cope with not having had the last word. It is possible for you to be wrong, you know, something you obviously haven't quite grasped yet. Coming in and making yet another fatuous comment and then declaring an argument over is the worst kind of forum trolling and makes me violently angry. If you consider an argument over, stop posting in it, simple as that.
Okay, i am missing something here. Can you please calmly and rational explain to me, like the adult i assume you are, what you had hoped to accomplish by replying with "It is. You Lost it." i would greatly appreciate that. thank you.
 

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I've made a pact with my soul to protect Wall-e at all costs.... So if you kindly leave your address and number along with your posts.....
 

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The Humanitas Awards are given out to media writers whose stories "affirm the dignity of the human person, probe the meaning of life, and enlighten the use of human freedom. The stories reveal common humanity, so that love may come to permeate the human family and help liberate, enrich and unify society."
Holy shit. You've got to be kidding me. Who wrote this award mission statement? "Enrich and unify society" and "love may come to permeate the human family"? Blech. Sounds like something from the national socialist party or the communist party. Which moronic statist wrote this crap?
 

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Well damn, I better actually see Wall-E.

I didn't want to from the adds. Slowly reviews and awards it has won have been shifting my opinion of whether I want to see it or not. This seals it.