Warcraft Romance Ends With Felony Charges

[Nieroshai]

Victimless crime much?

In this case what you say kind of applies, but this excuse is growing old. Victimless crime? The only reason any law is on the books is because the government ddoesn't want it to happen. Victims don't factor into it. Oftenn that is the motive for making somethiing illegal, but a crime is anything the government deems bad for society at large.

But how can it be bad for the society at large that any two people have consentual sex?(Not factoring in STDs since that isnt the question here)


Is it right to punish lovers just because the law condemns them?

One thing that even bothers me about the gay rights debate's phrasing is this. There is no right to gay sex. There is no right to underage sex. There is no right to bestial sex. Do you know why? Because there is no right to sex at all! You are free to associate as you will, but there is absolutely no governmental protection of any form of sexuality whatsoever, only that you cannot hire or fire anyone based on it. There is no right to have a lover. There's a right to marry, but only because the governmment controls marriage. And thhe government could easily decide tomorrow that only married couples can have sex, although no one'd be stupid enough to pass that bill beecause of public outcry. Sex is not a right. There's a thread for this, but I couldn't find it in SEARCH. Rights are what the government says you can have, not what the government doesn't say you can't have.

I could go on and say stuff about how the government does outlaw specific stuff to certain groups but not others, and get on my soapbox, but instead, I have a simple question.

The fuck does the "gay rights debate" have to do with the topic at hand?

The fact that it was stated that it was their right to be lovers when no citizen has that right under the law, only the as-yet-unhindered privelege. Like I said, there are no sexual rights under the law where sexuality conflicts with said law, unless the Supreme Court(in the US that is) or legislative body says otherwise. I'm not talking about my personal beliefs, I'm talking about the law as it exists today. The law can be changed.

 

[LadyMint]

From there, the relationship moved from the internet to phone conversations, finally culminating in a cross-country trip to Amherst, New York, where the pair had sex in a parking lot.

Classy lady.

This. I mean, if you're gonna commit a sex crime, at least have the decency to do it in the privacy of a seedy motel. Won't be nearly as sanitary as a parking lot but will be a hell of a lot more comfortable.

She told him that she was 21, when she was actually 35, and he told her that he was 20.

I shouldn't laugh at this, but I did. And while 35 may not have passed for 21 when they met, by that time he probably didn't care. He was going to get some from an older woman. That kid has stories to tell for the rest of his life.

 

[joshuaayt]

Ho ho ho, what a light hearted and humerous article.

Swap the sexes to 35 year old man and 16 year old girl and witness the cries of "PAEDO! SICK FUCKER!" and the forming of a summary lynch mob.

I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment expressed by this post. It has stated my views succinctly enough that I hardly need add more.

 

[MajoraPersona]

... Sixteen is underage?

Must be an American thing.

Those silly Americans and their various ages of consent.

 

[MetalGenocide]

I'm guessing not many people called her a pedo.
If "she" was a "he", the world would be on fire by now. I mean, even more.

 

[Turing]

I've always marvelled at the fact that the americans entrust their children with the use of high-speed, tonnage-weight, absolutely fucking lethal pieces of metal at the age of 16, but not with the use of their own genitalia until the age of 18...

That being said, sex in a parking lot with a twice-divorced mother of 5? No thanks and I hope the kid gets checked for STDs

 

[Azmael Silverlance]

Damn it WoW, where have you been when I was 16...

Yeah...we just had Warcraft back then...wish we had the "world" too :X
Anyway until i see a picture of that lady im kinda leaning on the part had sex in parking lot....which means the boy was totally into it and he had a good time!

 

[Aethren]

Ugh, I hope that creep gets put in for life. Sex with a 16 yr old? At her age? And a mother no less. Lock her up and throw away the key, damn pervert.

 

[Miles Tormani]

The fact that it was stated that it was their right to be lovers when no citizen has that right under the law, only the as-yet-unhindered privelege. Like I said, there are no sexual rights under the law where sexuality conflicts with said law, unless the Supreme Court(in the US that is) or legislative body says otherwise. I'm not talking about my personal beliefs, I'm talking about the law as it exists today. The law can be changed.

Once again, what the hell does the gay rights debate have to do with a news report on some female having sex with a legally minor male? Someone says something and you jump on it to say "this is what I hate about the gay rights movement."

Time and place. This is not it.

 

[Nieroshai]

The fact that it was stated that it was their right to be lovers when no citizen has that right under the law, only the as-yet-unhindered privelege. Like I said, there are no sexual rights under the law where sexuality conflicts with said law, unless the Supreme Court(in the US that is) or legislative body says otherwise. I'm not talking about my personal beliefs, I'm talking about the law as it exists today. The law can be changed.

Once again, what the hell does the gay rights debate have to do with a news report on some female having sex with a legally minor male? Someone says something and you jump on it to say "this is what I hate about the gay rights movement."

Time and place. This is not it.

You see the mention of gay and freak out as if that's all I was talking about. I was talking about how THERE IS NO RIGHT TO ANY SEX OF ANY KIND IN THE AMERICAN LEGAL SYSTEM! It was not their RIGHT to have sex if they wanted too, therefore the laws PREVENTING SEX WITH MINORS are not infringing on their RIGHTS as lovers.
Pull your head out of your ass and listen to context.

 

[Blimey]

5 kids at 35? Busy lady.

Not really. If she started even at 25, that's 5 kids in 10 years? Not really that busy. Plus, she's had 2 marriages so some of them may not even be hers.

 

[mr_rubino]

No shocker the Euros are all for raping children. You guys never disappoint. *thumbs up*

EDIT: Like I said, thank you, Euros. I love the line of argument, though. "He's a horny 16 year old. He was probably happy to get some!"
Oh, then that just strengthens the idea he was mature enough to give informed consent.

 

[Miles Tormani]

You see the mention of gay and freak out as if that's all I was talking about. I was talking about how THERE IS NO RIGHT TO ANY SEX OF ANY KIND IN THE AMERICAN LEGAL SYSTEM! It was not their RIGHT to have sex if they wanted too, therefore the laws PREVENTING SEX WITH MINORS are not infringing on their RIGHTS as lovers.
Pull your head out of your ass and listen to context.

Oh, okay. I'll pull my head out of my ass and then question why the "right to have sex" has anything to do with something that was hardly legal (US-wise) in the first place, and then ask you why you suddenly had to bring up how there is no right to sex, including a statement about bestiality.

No one in this thread is questioning that the American age of consent law does not technically or legally infringe on anything. What they are saying is that the American law in this regard, especially when compared to other nations where such an act would be legal, is somewhat arbitrary. In other words, if two people are in truly in love with each other, why does the law have to keep them apart? In this case, I don't see why they couldn't just wait two more years, but other people disagree, especially those that see (or have) healthy relationships at age 16. This is a logically sound argument.

Despite that, you jump in and say "Oh, well, that's not how it works, because you don't have a right to sex and blah blah blah." Then you include in your statement that that's why you hate the gay rights movement, which is doubly insulting.

If you had brought up a different thing first, like, for example, "This is why I hate the argument for these other people too," I would've said, say, "the fuck does this have to do with bestiality" as my primary question instead. The point is, your entire statement is out of place, and I am questioning why the fuck you have to make such an out of place statement.

If you want to get on your soapbox about this, start a new thread.

 

[ph0b0s123]

No shocker the Euros are all for raping children. You guys never disappoint. *thumbs up*

EDIT: Like I said, thank you, Euros. I love the line of argument, though. "He's a horny 16 year old. He was probably happy to get some!"
Oh, then that just strengthens the idea he was mature enough to give informed consent.

Could you be a bigger troll? Here's one back...

No shocker that the Puritanical Yanks would like no-one to have sex ever and have such an identity crisis on the issue of the age of consent, that different states have different laws, going from 16 to 18. So not only the 'Euros are all for raping children' (as you so elegantly put it) but so are lots of American states.... As I have said in this tread before one country's (or in this case states) pedo act is another country / states legal act....

 

[ph0b0s123]

Ugh, I hope that creep gets put in for life. Sex with a 16 yr old? At her age? And a mother no less. Lock her up and throw away the key, damn pervert.

Hopefully a sarcastic comment. I just love the vitriol. Most people who have been getting on their high horse about this seem to forget that if they had both been in the same state and not New York, say Jersey, then the act would have been perfectly legal. So the shouts of Pedo and pervert and throw away the key, seem a bit over the top. Is a 35 year old having sex with a 16 year old in a parking creepy, of course. Is 16 the right age of consent or 18 or higher or lower, I don't know.

But the comments with pedo, pervert and 'should be locked up for the rest of their lives' I reserve for the really nasty pieces of work who abuse children who are of an age that no-one in the civilized world could say was OK....

 

[AndyFromMonday]

Soo...anyone else watch South park??

"Nice"

 

[warmonkey]

Wait hang on, he was 16. Does he count as a minor?

Age of consent varies by state, but if I had to take a guess.. this happened in New York, which is a pretty dang liberal state, so age of consent is probably 18. Generally the more left-leaning the state the higher the age of consent laws.

//looked it up, it's 17, also this funny tidbit:

In effect, mutual crimes are committed when two unmarried 16-year-old individuals voluntarily have sex with each other in New York State, each being the "victim" of the other.

Ah wikipedia, you do make me laugh. the crime's apparently sexual misconduct, a misdemeanor, $130 fine. and of course i'm sure it's a well and fairly enforced law, too.

 

[ph0b0s123]

Ah wikipedia, you do make me laugh. the crime's apparently sexual misconduct, a misdemeanor, $130 fine. and of course i'm sure it's a well and fairly enforced law, too.

Unfortunately this is not what she is charged with...

"United States Attorney William J Hochul, Jr announced today that Angie L Jenkins, 35, of Lowell, MI, has been charged with enticing a minor to engage in sexual activity. The charge carries a mandatory minimum sentence of 10 years in prison and a maximum penalty of life."

So in some US states the act might have been a legal act . In New York it maybe a mistermeaner. But cause the internet is involved in setting up the act she faces 10 Years in prision, minimum, if found guilty.

Does that mean that if you are 18 and you arrange to meet up with your 17 year old (minor under the law) girlfriend via on-line chat and during that date get intimate. In a state where the age of conscent is 16, then you will still have the feds knocking at your door to take you to prision for a minimum of 10 years. So only your younger legal but minor girlfriend can make dates with you under this law? That's mental.

 

[Mauricio Guerra]

"There's a saying in my country. It goes something like this:

"Femeia batrana face supa buna."

Loosely translated this means:

"Old women make better soup."

It's not as catchy as in Romanian but still, it gets the point across."

The saying is known somewhat worldwide, in Spanish, Portuguese and Italian it loosely translates to "Old Hens make better soup".

Honestly though, as silly and a total waste of time and resources as this might all sound...if it was a 35 year old male player who did this and had sex with a 16 year old female, people would be up in arms and asking for 7-10 years minimum on the charge of statutory rape.