Warhammer 40k MMOG Prepped For E3 Reveal
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It doesn't. Over the top, maybe but considering that is essentially 40,000 years into the future i'd quantify 40k as quite all right. Especially on those particular points that you mentioned. Hell, i would damn well expect humanity 40,000 years into the future(making the assumption it survives that long) to be even more crazier then that.John Funk said:
Besides 40k is no more "ridiculous" then a universe with a swarmy race of rabid killjoys whose reproduction constantly violates the principles of the conservation of mass and punches portals into the fabric of the universe to travel in space near instantaneously because some giant psychic brain decides to fart. And while 40k tends to do this as well with Tyranids, the difference between the two is that 40k actually bothers to give you a rough idea as to where the living hell all of that mass is coming from(hint:its "biomass", every damn thing that is considered alive or facilitates being alive will be eaten) as opposed to the Zerg where growing just seems to..... happen.
One of the things that I like about Warhammer 40k is that for its absurdly huge scale, alot of things actually seem to make sense(yeah I totally said "sense" and "40k" in the same sentence, sue me). At the very least, it makes fraktons more sense then some of the odd as hell scale that most other sci-fi just don't seem to grasp(fortunately Star Wars also seems to get scale really well) The galaxy is pretty frakking huge, and for a race of people inhabiting that kind of scale, the nature of planetary scale battles that normally occur make a lot of sense. Millions dying every day across the galaxy to preserve humanity? Yeah thats perfectly all right when there are damn well more then several hundred quadrillions humans inhabiting the damn galaxy. High priority planetary deployments where millions upon millions are poured into a planet? That is fine too. If anything 40k embraces the sheer scale and nature of its conflict and unabashedly uses it to churn out all kinds of crazy things that all the little boys and girls can shamelessly dig.
And the scale of everyone fighting everywhere is quite all right. Barring that it is your subjective opinion I can't see anything negative about the frak huge scale of warfare in 40k. Especially considering that such a similar scale is fought in Star Wars and that sits very well with most people.John Funk said:
Switch StarCraft and 40k with Warcraft and WH Fantasy, and you have the long-persistent rumor about the origins of Warcraft: Orcs and Humans.Smasngrab said:
What I don't get is that Blizzard has admitted on several occasions that they have nothing but the utmost respect for GW, and I'm fairly sure GW reciprocates. But the fanboys hate each other.
I would give an Arm and a Leg to play an Ork in the 40k MMO. We'z gonna smash ya humies! And yer golden 'frone. WAAAAHHHGGGG!
Warhammer 40k is very difficult to master, especially in game form, without it seeming ridiculous. Darksiders was ridiculous. This thought scares me.
I would so play this, but it has to be done right. The IP has SERIOUS amounts of potetial.But I want all the races there. No cutting out the Necrons, or the Tau or any of the races that are going to be a ***** to balance. Serious though I would give up my no MMORPG stance if a game let me wade a Khorne Dreadnaught into battle.
I ahev to be honest, I'm not much of an MMO guy usually (mostly for the cost, I have a finite income and I usally just pay for a year of Xbox live because, for fifty bucks I can play a bunch of online games insted of paying a hundred a year for one) however the Old Republic sparked my intrest in MMOs again (I had a brief fling with World of Warcraft) partially because I love Bioware, but also because the Old republic looked different. This new annoincment of a 40K MMO has just doubled my intrest in MMOs again.
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Warhammer Online is quite nice. But the mixed up squad based fights are just ok and caaaaaan be accepted in the game's world.
But i see something coming now, like an Imperial Army Gunner, a Templar Space Marine, an Eldar and perhabs even an Tau alone as a Team on a Planet held by the evil Darkeldarchaosorks which are run by a tyranid symbiont-cult.
yup. I can't really see it too.thenumberthirteen said:
Warhammer Online is quite nice. But the mixed up squad based fights are just ok and caaaaaan be accepted in the game's world.
But i see something coming now, like an Imperial Army Gunner, a Templar Space Marine, an Eldar and perhabs even an Tau alone as a Team on a Planet held by the evil Darkeldarchaosorks which are run by a tyranid symbiont-cult.
I've long been on record regarding my position on a Warhammer 40,000 MMO - it will probably be the first "traditional" MMO that I have ever actually wanted to play.
I still won't though, because I'm fundamentally opposed to subscription fees in any form. And coming from me, a self-professed 40K fanatic (Kharn the Betrayer is my avatar for a reason) and lore junkie who owns (practically) every 40K novel in existence and all the Dark Heresy RPG source books even though I don't actually play the RPG, a man who adores the Dawn of War games and will absolutely be buying the upcoming Space Marine game when it hits shelves, that really says a lot... about how much I can't stand subscription fees!
Seriously, you could make a game that is just pure concentrated awesome every second you're playing it, but mention that it has a monthly fee? Interest = dead and buried, never to be resurrected. Up to now though there's never been anything I thought looked cool enough to at least warrant feeling bad that my inimical relationship with the fee of a monthly variety was preventing me from playing.
This one though? It's going to be painful not playing it - curse you monthly fees, curse you forever!!!!
But on a more serious note, you should really read say... Eisenhorn, or perhaps Cadian Blood (it's a lot shorter) and then tell us what you think about 40K - the various games are great fun and get a lot of things spot on (visuals mostly), but the camp factor is dialed up past 11.
I still won't though, because I'm fundamentally opposed to subscription fees in any form. And coming from me, a self-professed 40K fanatic (Kharn the Betrayer is my avatar for a reason) and lore junkie who owns (practically) every 40K novel in existence and all the Dark Heresy RPG source books even though I don't actually play the RPG, a man who adores the Dawn of War games and will absolutely be buying the upcoming Space Marine game when it hits shelves, that really says a lot... about how much I can't stand subscription fees!
Seriously, you could make a game that is just pure concentrated awesome every second you're playing it, but mention that it has a monthly fee? Interest = dead and buried, never to be resurrected. Up to now though there's never been anything I thought looked cool enough to at least warrant feeling bad that my inimical relationship with the fee of a monthly variety was preventing me from playing.
This one though? It's going to be painful not playing it - curse you monthly fees, curse you forever!!!!
While such a punishment is surely deserved, I would think that rendering you into a mono-tasked servitor - forever bound to sing the praises of 40K in all it's glory - would be an ultimately more satisfying approach.John Funk said:
But on a more serious note, you should really read say... Eisenhorn, or perhaps Cadian Blood (it's a lot shorter) and then tell us what you think about 40K - the various games are great fun and get a lot of things spot on (visuals mostly), but the camp factor is dialed up past 11.
It's not so much that 40k fans will rip you apart for preferring Starcraft, but you must surely realise that Starcraft is in fact a massive rip off of the 40k universe. In fact, although I'm unsure of the fact of the matter, I have heard that Starcraft was originally a 40k game that had to be altered after the licensing deal was pulled. Sure, the protoss don't resemble anything from 40k, but the other two races are so similiar it would be foolish to claim it isn't derivative.
I wanted to say that this might finally be an MMOG I'd be interested in, but I've never managed to get interested about any MMOGs so I doubt I'll have a change of heart for this one. Still, W40k has an awesome setting. Being a priest capable of summoning nukes is not something you see every day.
It's the internet!John Funk said:
While I've been a Blizzard supporter for years (the real Bliz aka Lost Vikings guys) the IPs as they are today are mere shadows of their former selves. Yes Activision/Vivendi is good at bilking an IP but so far they've shown that the best they can do is run them into the ground (see MW2, Guitar Hero, Starcraft 2 etc). Their best shot seems to be taking what true creators have made and adding annoying crappy iterations of the same every so often. This is why I don't like the current Blizzard.
As for Starcraft vs Warhammer 40k and Warcraft vs Warhammer Fantasy I prefer Warhammer simpley because I enjoy the more mature gritty and interesting lore filled world. 40k for it's techno magic and deeply involved cataclysmic back story and Warhammer Fantasy for it's unique quality of making every race it creates so definitive of itself.
Let me paint a picture for a moment. Space Marines (40k) are a remnant of humanity left over after a cataclysmic war. They are mostly made up of cloned beings from very specific genetic clone databases (Chapters) who possess technologies they no longer understand and have harnessed a kind of religion to both galvanize themselves and explain those technologies that are now not unlike magic to them. Communion with tech often involves what they call rites or rituals and some "magic" is drawn from a psychic link to an other plane called simply "The Warp". This religion also connects them to the last remains of the Terran Empire and a single Emperor who is likely one of the last remaining vestiges of the old civilization.
Now imagine that every race and faction within each race has an amazing story like this you can understand why some people are rabid about the universe. Even the Orks have an amazing story to tell the dwarfs anything Blizzard has tried to come up with. I mean heck, their magic in Warhammer Fantasy can make their heads explode if not channeled correctly.
As for Starcraft vs Warhammer 40k and Warcraft vs Warhammer Fantasy I prefer Warhammer simpley because I enjoy the more mature gritty and interesting lore filled world. 40k for it's techno magic and deeply involved cataclysmic back story and Warhammer Fantasy for it's unique quality of making every race it creates so definitive of itself.
Let me paint a picture for a moment. Space Marines (40k) are a remnant of humanity left over after a cataclysmic war. They are mostly made up of cloned beings from very specific genetic clone databases (Chapters) who possess technologies they no longer understand and have harnessed a kind of religion to both galvanize themselves and explain those technologies that are now not unlike magic to them. Communion with tech often involves what they call rites or rituals and some "magic" is drawn from a psychic link to an other plane called simply "The Warp". This religion also connects them to the last remains of the Terran Empire and a single Emperor who is likely one of the last remaining vestiges of the old civilization.
Now imagine that every race and faction within each race has an amazing story like this you can understand why some people are rabid about the universe. Even the Orks have an amazing story to tell the dwarfs anything Blizzard has tried to come up with. I mean heck, their magic in Warhammer Fantasy can make their heads explode if not channeled correctly.
I'm crossing my fingers on this one but I can't even imagine how they would make it work across the various factions. Nobody likes anybody in that universe. I truly believe that the Imperium faction would have to be a mixture of Sisters of Battle & space marines. No online gaming company would be stupid enough NOT to put in female character models. Suppose they could make the Imperium faction the Imperial Guard but I think we can safely say we'd all rather be wearing power armor and sportin' a massive heavy bolter...or chainsword.
As for the slightly more evil side I'm at a lose. Maybe, just maybe, an alliance between the dark eldar and the chaos space marines? Then the Imperium could get the regular eldar as an ally and all the fanboys can get their elf on with either faction...
Frankly I hope I'm wrong about much of this and it turns out to be a hell of a lot better than I originally thought.
As for the slightly more evil side I'm at a lose. Maybe, just maybe, an alliance between the dark eldar and the chaos space marines? Then the Imperium could get the regular eldar as an ally and all the fanboys can get their elf on with either faction...
Frankly I hope I'm wrong about much of this and it turns out to be a hell of a lot better than I originally thought.