Webcomic Review: Dumnestor's Heroes

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vultureX21

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For the most part I feel like I haven't read and reviewed a webcomic that was truly bad, until now. Dumnestor's Heroes finally broke the streak and unfortunately it was a comic I was asked to review by a reader.

I would have reservations about criticizing this work if I really felt it deserved a level of praise, but I simply don't find much here worth showering with accolades. Dumnestor's Heroes is a four panel fantasy/gaming comic by Irony-Chan (her real name is listed somewhere on the website but honestly, I don't care enough to dig through and find it). The majority of the comic is based around the fantasy characters of several friends playing a tabletop RPG. We spend most of our time in the fantasy world, with the occasional divergence to the real world in an attempt at gaming culture humor. I say attempt because mostly the comic failed to make me even crack a smile.

Which brings me to my biggest problem, that this site is falsely labeled as a webcomic. It isn't. What I was reading was a blog with a comic attached almost as an afterthought. Irony-Chan spends at least 50% of the updates talking about her nerdy hobbies, attempting to increase my weight by offering baking instructions for sweets, and posting pictures of her cats and friends in "funny" poses. This is not how you should present a webcomic if it is indeed supposed to be the focus of your site and to be honest I don't know if the comic is intended as the focus here. Moreover the layout is annoying, to read through the archives I had to scroll past every comment (usually not too tedious because there aren't too many desperate followers of this piece, but still) and click on the button at the bottom. You are telling me this couldn't be easily fixed? Really? How long would that take, about five minutes?

Enough nitpicking of the layout though, as none of this has to do with the comic itself. I think it is much easier to overlook flaws in site design or an overt amount of unrelated posts when the comic is well written and original. In this case, the average (if I am being generous) quality of the artwork and comic only makes the other missteps more glaring. For the most part the strips have little to no background detail and it actually looks like less background was put in over time. If there were one way to describe the appearance and tone of the comic it would be cute, and not in the endearing or enjoyable way. Cute comics that are fun to read include Better Days, Sabrina Online, Kevin and Kell, PVP (occasionally), Candi, and Dominic Deegan. In fact, Deegan would be the template for cute fantasy comics that really make you enjoy reading them. What Dumnestor's Heroes is trying to do is be childishly cute and therein it could be considered successful if it were entertaining. Think about kids cartoons and movies that adults also like. Pixar flicks, Nickelodeon shows like Doug, and some Disney films are works that do this well. So, maybe to a degree what Dumnestor's is trying to do is truly difficult, but I don't grade on a curve.

I can't throw too much sympathy to the comic because the plot is ridiculously generic and doesn't make any real effort to reinvent the wheel. You don't need to do anything dramatically different in a fantasy comic, but it would be nice if there was a little more creativity present. If you're going to do a comic like this you have to do it well, because a lot of other comics do fantasy adventures and/or gaming comics and they do a much better job. In writing you either have to have a really original idea or a very new slant on an old one. Dumnestor's Heroes has neither, we are following a small party of heroes attempting to restore one of them, an elf that has become a human, to his former self. That was interesting enough until the gods overseeing this little world started discussing how they needed to make the group into heroes by sending them on some "save-the-world" quest. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot right when it looks like you're going to take that "new slant" method.

I think the moment where I actually said, "The unoriginality here disgusts me" was when several priestesses were attempting to escape an ogre and wondered aloud what had "Ulixes" disguised his men as to evade the beast in their myth. If you don't get the stupid mythological reference here then slap yourself in the face, hard. If you actually find it amusing in some way, slap yourself twice. When an author or artist makes references to modern or mythological places in a fantasy setting it (mostly) drives me nuts. Piers Anthony's terrible Xanth setting in Florida is the epitome of this faux pas. Never did like those books.

As a disclaimer, maybe I'm just particularly disinterested in this piece. I do know that Irony-Chan has written another comic that I will probably look at (I believe it was also a request). In the end I'm definitely not recommending this webcomic to anyone, but if you want to check it out yourself go right ahead at: http://www.dumnestorsheroes.com/

One thing I will say is that this is a very young comic, only a year or so in, and that gives it plenty of time to improve in both story and artwork. Really I think the biggest problem is that the three main characters didn't involve me enough that I would care about what happened to them. If I were to pick the high point it would be the section about the necromancer which had some decent glimmers of humor. In the end though, there is so much better out there why would you waste your time on a flawed work like this?

More is coming and hopefully at a better clip then it has been. As always thanks for reading.

NOTE: No images provided because they do not contain copyrights or the author's name, I'm not going to stick it out there without that documentation. Sorry about the Wall O' Text.

NOTE PART II: Irony-Chan's name happens to be Laura Chapple. See, I'm not that lazy.
 

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vultureX21 said:
Cute comics that are fun to read include Better Days, Sabrina Online,... Candi, and Dominic Deegan.
I've read most of Candi and about 20 pages of the rest of them and I can say those are some of the worst comics I've ever read and I don't think any of them count as cute with the rape, murder, schizophrenia and everything. Are the rest of webcomics really this bad?

Also can you give an example of the artwork and more detailed description of the plot setting? Or does "generic fantasy comic" pretty much cover it?
 

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Pseudonym2 said:
vultureX21 said:
Cute comics that are fun to read include Better Days, Sabrina Online,... Candi, and Dominic Deegan.
I've read most of Candi and about 20 pages of the rest of them and I can say those are some of the worst comics I've ever read and I don't think any of them count as cute with the rape, murder, schizophrenia and everything. Are the rest of webcomics really this bad?

Also can you give an example of the artwork and more detailed description of the plot setting? Or does "generic fantasy comic" pretty much cover it?
Candi has definitely gone completely downhill from what promise it had (though for some reason, masochism maybe, I still read it) so I understand where you are coming from there, same story with Deegan. Better Days has dark moments but still manages to be cute without being stupid and I really think Sabrina Online is quite good, I would read more than 20 strips before passing judgment but as I always say this is my opinion and I fully respect your own interpretation!

And no, there are some amazing webcomics out there. I recommend PVP, Order of the Stick, and Least I Could Do off the top of my head. Look at my past webcomic reviews of those works if you want to get a feel for them.

As for Dumnestor's Art, well, it's colorless penciled art with a western cartoon style. I would say it fits into any traditional newspaper ink comic. The characters are pretty well drawn but there is rarely any background detail to the comic which means you rely on dialogue that is, unfortunately, not reliable. I can't post an example of the comic because I do not have the author's permission and probably won't request it since I doubt she wants to help out someone who harshly criticized her work.

The plot is pretty generic. Sue rescues Laurien and Koln from a goblin lair and they proceed to try and turn Laurien back into an elf. They encounter a bunch of side-quests on the way and there are occasional asides to the people playing their characters.

I hope that helps and give some other webcomics a try, I swear there are some really great pieces out there.
 

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vultureX21 said:
Pseudonym2 said:
vultureX21 said:
Cute comics that are fun to read include Better Days, Sabrina Online,... Candi, and Dominic Deegan.
I've read most of Candi and about 20 pages of the rest of them and I can say those are some of the worst comics I've ever read and I don't think any of them count as cute with the rape, murder, schizophrenia and everything. Are the rest of webcomics really this bad?

Also can you give an example of the artwork and more detailed description of the plot setting? Or does "generic fantasy comic" pretty much cover it?
Candi has definitely gone completely downhill from what promise it had (though for some reason, masochism maybe, I still read it) so I understand where you are coming from there, same story with Deegan. Better Days has dark moments but still manages to be cute without being stupid and I really think Sabrina Online is quite good, I would read more than 20 strips before passing judgment but as I always say this is my opinion and I fully respect your own interpretation!

And no, there are some amazing webcomics out there. I recommend PVP, Order of the Stick, and Least I Could Do off the top of my head. Look at my past webcomic reviews of those works if you want to get a feel for them.


I hope that helps and give some other webcomics a try, I swear there are some really great pieces out there.
I read a bit more of Dominic Deegan and that barely qualifies as outsider art. Artwork that looks like it was drawn in math class, and poor framing, lettering, pacing and dialogue. It doesn't even have the Fletcher Hanks or Ed Wood charm either. As far as Better Days goes, if I had to list the things I least wanted to read about, underage furry sex and far right nationalism are probably the last on my list. I haven't read more Sabrina Online yet but I really don't like the furry sexuality angle.

I did read a bit of Order of the Stick. I don't play enough D and D to get all the jokes but the ones I got were very clever.

I recommend Zot and the Abominable Charles Christopher although those are created by print comics writer artists. (http://www.scottmccloud.com/1-webcomics/zot/index.html) (http://www.abominable.cc/)

I haven't finished Hero or 1/0 yet but I recommend those. They really take advantage of the medium.

(http://www.undefined.net/1/0/)(http://invisiblecities.comicgenesis.com/story.html)

A Lesson Learned but the Damage is Done gets points by being drawn by the artist from Braid.
http://www.alessonislearned.com/
 

vultureX21

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I read a bit more of Dominic Deegan and that barely qualifies as outsider art. Artwork that looks like it was drawn in math class, and poor framing, lettering, pacing and dialogue. It doesn't even have the Fletcher Hanks or Ed Wood charm either. As far as Better Days goes, if I had to list the things I least wanted to read about, underage furry sex and far right nationalism are probably the last on my list. I haven't read more Sabrina Online yet but I really don't like the furry sexuality angle.

I did read a bit of Order of the Stick. I don't play enough D and D to get all the jokes but the ones I got were very clever.

I recommend Zot and the Abominable Charles Christopher although those are created by print comics writer artists. (http://www.scottmccloud.com/1-webcomics/zot/index.html) (http://www.abominable.cc/)

I haven't finished Hero or 1/0 yet but I recommend those. They really take advantage of the medium.

(http://www.undefined.net/1/0/)(http://invisiblecities.comicgenesis.com/story.html)

A Lesson Learned but the Damage is Done gets points by being drawn by the artist from Braid.
http://www.alessonislearned.com/
I can completely understand people not liking many elements of Better Days, I said as much in my review, so I'm very much with you there. You would be surprised that Sabrina Online is actually very tame in terms of the sexual content, much like a sit com alludes to sex but never really shows you anything. Yes, Sabrina works in a porn studio as a secretary, but that's all used to provide some tongue-in-cheek humor about what happens off-panel, not unlike some sit coms pan away from the couple right after they kiss or allow them to talk in code about what happens in the bedroom for the sake of being funny.

Order of the Stick is a great work that only gets better as you read on, sadly Burlew updates sporadically due to health issues. If you can make it through the confusing opening I would also try the first book of Erfworld because if you do like you will really like, though if you don't you really won't. Such is life.

I haven't read the comic you mentioned but I added them to my list of "must reviews" so I will get to them eventually, though that may take a while given the back log of comics I have to go through already. Currently on Rob and Elliot, not sure how I feel about it yet. One of those cases where it's a very absurd kind of humor tempered by a pseudo-real world setting but sadly only has one or two memorable characters so far. Unless that picks up I don't see it getting a glowing endorsement.
 

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Hello - this is Ironychan, who writes and draws the comic. I just came across this review today, and I know I'm late but I would like to thank you for taking the time to read the comic and write up your thoughts on it, which I realize is an especially difficult thing to do when you don't like the piece to begin with. Especially on the internet, when there's the possibility that the author (or his/her fans) might attempt to retaliate for what is seen as a slight. Your review has helped me solidify some of my own thoughts about the comic, which I am rather losing enthusiasm for myself. Thank you in particular for being polite and describing exactly why you dislike the comic, rather than just bashing it for the sake of humour. If you do review Get Medieval, I would be interested to hear what you think of it.
 

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First, thanks to Irony-Chan for her considerate response to my scathing criticism. As such, her other comic Get Medieval will be among the five reviews coming this week as I try to get back in the game after a long absence.

I posted the news more comics would be coming at the end of a few reviews, so hopefully word will get out and my three readers will watch for them!
 

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Ironychan said:
Hello - this is Ironychan, who writes and draws the comic. I just came across this review today, and I know I'm late but I would like to thank you for taking the time to read the comic and write up your thoughts on it, which I realize is an especially difficult thing to do when you don't like the piece to begin with. Especially on the internet, when there's the possibility that the author (or his/her fans) might attempt to retaliate for what is seen as a slight. Your review has helped me solidify some of my own thoughts about the comic, which I am rather losing enthusiasm for myself. Thank you in particular for being polite and describing exactly why you dislike the comic, rather than just bashing it for the sake of humour. If you do review Get Medieval, I would be interested to hear what you think of it.
Welcome to the Escapist! And thanks for posting also, its good to see authors taking time to be intrested. From what i've read, your webcomic started off very good in the beginning and I'd hate to see that talent go to waste. Keep up the good work!