(Week 5 - Violence) The GameOverthinker Thread.
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Bah, Wii is selling faster than the PS2 which shouldn't be surprising as the PS2 also launched as a more "hardcore" console with a higher price tag. Assuming that Sony is going to win every generation by playing to the peanut gallery is a wrong assumption that Sony should understand better than anybody. Nothing to see here, move along.oliveira8 said:
Wait? Uh what you talking about? Master Chief I guess...Indigo_Dingo said:
Never said that Master Chief is a mascot.
Mario and Sonic fit the mascot profile. Two characters that go beyond age and call appeal to everyone even outside games.
Does this guy appeal to anyone?
Mario a is stereotype Italian plumber that saves a princess. Its a quirky and silly character that the main public can grasp and like.
What is Solid Snake? A clone/son from the main villain of the story, filled up with nanomachines to fight terrorists and stop a huge weapon that shoots nukes. That is no mascot that the public can grasp or like.
Its not a character that sells consoles. Mario sells consoles. Solid Snake doesn't.
Hahaa just as I was about to name Ratchet and Clank, he beat me to it.
Hes got a point though, Microsoft and Sony should listen to this and rethink their priorities a little more.
We just need a fine line between becoming the Wii (with little appeal to mature gamers outside of Metroid Prime and Madworld) and the PS3 (little appeal to children except for Ratchet and Clank).
Hes got a point though, Microsoft and Sony should listen to this and rethink their priorities a little more.
We just need a fine line between becoming the Wii (with little appeal to mature gamers outside of Metroid Prime and Madworld) and the PS3 (little appeal to children except for Ratchet and Clank).
He does another episode on LittleBigPlanet as well.nova18 said:
Why not do this on Friday so we can hear from the man himself? (If he wishes to grace us with his movie and bob-ing presence ofcourse)
NINJA!!!!oliveira8 said:
Cause Sonic and Mario have almost no backround.Indigo_Dingo said:
Solid Snake has, Kratos has.
The public doesn't go "WOW! Solid Snakes saving the world! Awesome!!!" You know why? Cause you have hundreds of same characters doing the same crap: Saving the world.
How many fat, short silly looking, italian plumbers you have saving a princess from some sort of Dino Turtle?
Mario stands out. Solid Snake doesn't stand out.
Again. Mario sells. Solid Snake doesn't.
Tomb Raider stands out cause it has a big breast lady that uses two guns to kill bears and T-Rexes and likes to wear very short shorts. She is also advertised as the female Indiana Jones.Indigo_Dingo said:
Solid Snake is a guy that wears a grey suit and fights people and some robots.
You see theres no visual appeal to Soild Snake. NONE!
Mario has, Sonic has and even Lara Croft has. Soild Snake as ZERO visual appeal. In a mascot the first thing you do its come up with a timeless concept of a character that can last for yonks in the minds of people and that will stay fresh in some way.
Solid Snake is not a mascot. In his last adventure he looks like someones grandfather in a grey suit.
Sackboy is a mascot. He has the sort of timeless visual appeal. He has no backround cause he needs none. He doesn't need to talk. Its a simple concept that looks good.
Sackboy dressed as Solid Snake does a better mascot than Solid Snake itself. Cause Sackboy doesn't age, sackboy doesn't die, sackboy doesn't talk. Sackboy is a burlap sack that walks around waving is arms looking silly.
Like..every other mascot. A mascot is supposed to look timeless, quirky, wacky and silly. A mascot is supposed to say "Hey this is Fun!".
Solid Snake has none of those qualities. He has no visual appeal. He has nothing to stand out of the crowd.
You can say that Metal Gear Solid as a gaming franchise sells to the "hardcore" gaming demographic. But you cannot say that Solid Snake sells a console on his own.
Parents look at MGS4 cover and see an old guy with a moustache "Does this look fun? Don't think so...". Parents look at Super Mario Galaxy and see a colourfull cover with a wacky character in its cover "Does this look fun? Yes it does."
Who buys Metal Gear Solid 4? People that already know what is Metal Gear Solid, that know the story, the characters, what type of game it is. Who are these people? People with over 17 years old.
These are the people who buy Metal Gear Solid 4, people that know what is Metal Gear Solid, cause they played the previous Metal Gear Solids.
Everyone heard of Super Mario. He is the number 1 most recognized video game character in the world. He is a staple in gaming. Everyone knows Super Mario, even my mother knew who was Super Mario and she never touched a game in her life.
How many people outside gaming knows Solid Snake? Theres a reason why you must explain the "Snake? SNAAAAAAAKE!" joke and not the "Its a me! Mario!". Cause everyone knows who is Super Mario.
Mascots are supposed to be overexposed. They're a symbol which represents the company that is regularly used as a representation of who that company are. By gaming companies they traditionally become recognised as faces of the company. I'd agree that Sackboy became Sony's mascot in the push to sell LBP and Mario is obviously Nintendo's mascot. I don't think you can really classify Master chief as a mascot though, because he's a weak visual icon and he isn't really used as a connotation of Xbox, despite being one of the main exclusives. Same goes for Marcus Fenix.Indigo_Dingo said:
Do you know what a mascot is by the way?Indigo_Dingo said:
A mascot is something that is supposed to bring good luck. Like a lucky charm. They also suppose to sell/show off a product to everyone, indepent of age/ethnic/sex.
THIS IS A MASCOT:
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THIS IS NOT A MASCOT:
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Vader is no mascot. I could say that the droids are a mascot but not Vader. Darth Vader is a trademark but not a true mascot.Indigo_Dingo said:
Even Eddie fits the "Wacky silly character" mascot profile.
Also the Euro 08 mascots are not aimed at children. They just stupid looking.
Have you guys seen the "how to save sonic" episodes? I think we could really save him by using just a few of his ideas. Particularly re-learning level design and killing the cast.
It was good. I personally liked his episode where he basically just rambled about Luigi and Daisy.ElArabDeMagnifico said:
Wait, Sega's publishing Alpha Protocol? I'm suddenly not looking forward to it anymore.Indigo_Dingo said: