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What do you think separates humans from other animals?
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arogance and stupidity, other animals live just fine while we find the need to further worsen our lives and destroy our world with new technologies, example? if i were a dolphin, i'd be living it up in the sea, having the time of my life, but i am a human, scrambling for a job so i can project the feeble illusion of meaning to my unpleasant existance, MERRY CHRSITMAS EVERYONE!
No, I believe animals can go to heaven if there is one, its just that my interpretation of a soul is bit different than the popular vision.JoesshittyOs said:
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I guess we prioritise different things.
Animals generally want food,sex,shelter/safety. After that, they just want MORE of those three things.
Ask most humans and they'd sacrifice all three of the above things for an ipad. You'll never find a meerkat or seahorse willing to do that.
Also, I have no concrete figures, but I wouldn't be surprised if we spend more as a race on curing impotence, hair loss and weight gain, than three randomly selected fatal diseases.
Death doesn't seem to be nearly as scary as being a fat slaphead who can't get it up.
I wonder if there's been an experiment with 2 dogs, where both get everything they need and want, but one gets 50% more food. I wonder if the other dog would turn violent or be content knowing it was getting everything it could ever want.
I sense people tend to hate those better off, even if they have everything they need. I can't see that happening in the animal world.
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I guess we prioritise different things.
Animals generally want food,sex,shelter/safety. After that, they just want MORE of those three things.
Ask most humans and they'd sacrifice all three of the above things for an ipad. You'll never find a meerkat or seahorse willing to do that.
Also, I have no concrete figures, but I wouldn't be surprised if we spend more as a race on curing impotence, hair loss and weight gain, than three randomly selected fatal diseases.
Death doesn't seem to be nearly as scary as being a fat slaphead who can't get it up.
I wonder if there's been an experiment with 2 dogs, where both get everything they need and want, but one gets 50% more food. I wonder if the other dog would turn violent or be content knowing it was getting everything it could ever want.
I sense people tend to hate those better off, even if they have everything they need. I can't see that happening in the animal world.
And that "particular way" is what I think separates us. We were the first primates to start making tools and planting crops. No other animal has spread its influence as far we have. THAT is separates us. And it is all that great because that "particular way" is what drives us to land on the moon, build skyscrapers, engineer microchips. Because that slight change altered the behavior of the whole species.Azahul said:
I'm pretty sure there's like a checklist with 7 things on it you need to be considered sentient.Nouw said:
Only one I can remember is "fear of death" in an abstract sense.
self awareness might be on there as well. Or I could just be entirely wrong.
OT: I'm gonna say that there are a lot of things that separate us from animals. Cruelty is one. Animals do what they do to survive, even those that hunt when they aren't hungry are just following their instincts. Humans alone among the animals have the capacity to be willfully and consciously cruel.
That's a big one actually, the power to choose. We do have instincts, but we don't have to follow them, animals do. We can choose to ignore our instincts and act on logic or emotion instead.
or "Man is an animal which, alone among the animals, refuses to be satisfied by the fulfilment of animal desires."
~Alexander Graham Bell
There's nothing that really separates humans from other animals except our ability to become more intelligent by experience, which is abnormally great for an animal. That's all. You mentioned technology and religion, but even you acknowledged that some animals use some forms of "technology". This leaves religion, and for that, think about dogs. Don't you think that they worship us as some sort of semi-divine figure? Or, maybe chimpanzees, although *probably* aware of death by seeing other chimpanzees die, believe in something after death?
I suppose the major one (aside the most obvious lateral thinking explanation of "different gene sequence") would be the ability to conceptualise the intangible. In slightly more comprehensible terms, the ability to build and sustain an idea in our heads, and to then extend on it and draw abstract or intangible conclusions from it. For example, a monkey couldn't come up with Marxism. A dolphin wouldn't be able to comprehend the Higgs Boson particle. You couldn't explain to an ourang-utan the startling similarities between our DNA makeup and his.
It seems that humans, unique of the life on this planet, are able to perpetuate ideas which do not relate directly to any practical physical operations. Orcas, for instance, can learn the beaching technique off of each other, in order to reach seals beyond the waters edge, an extremely risky tactic, as if it goes wrong the whale can be left stranded. However, by observing adults of the pod, and learning from their demonstrations, juveniles can learn the technique for themselves. But what good is a fiction novel to a killer whale?
For another example, octopi are one of the most intelligent invertebrates on the planet. They can navigate mazes, unscrew jars, totally alien man-made objects, and be aware of their surroundings and adopt appropriate camoflague. But what use is music or philosophy to an octopus? Although it may only have been in the last few thousand years or so that Homo sapiens sapiens has progressed to the point where such examples as I've given above have become luxuries, rather than required for the passage of knowledge and so forth, the fact that they exist at all requires the ability to think abstractly.
It seems that humans, unique of the life on this planet, are able to perpetuate ideas which do not relate directly to any practical physical operations. Orcas, for instance, can learn the beaching technique off of each other, in order to reach seals beyond the waters edge, an extremely risky tactic, as if it goes wrong the whale can be left stranded. However, by observing adults of the pod, and learning from their demonstrations, juveniles can learn the technique for themselves. But what good is a fiction novel to a killer whale?
For another example, octopi are one of the most intelligent invertebrates on the planet. They can navigate mazes, unscrew jars, totally alien man-made objects, and be aware of their surroundings and adopt appropriate camoflague. But what use is music or philosophy to an octopus? Although it may only have been in the last few thousand years or so that Homo sapiens sapiens has progressed to the point where such examples as I've given above have become luxuries, rather than required for the passage of knowledge and so forth, the fact that they exist at all requires the ability to think abstractly.
Ok correct me if I'm wrong here but I thought that both humans and animals were both classed as mammals, not animals. But the first thing that springs to mind is that humans can speak.
I have to agree with the person who said 'pants' earlier. Other animals have demonstrated qualities we've claimed make us humans unique, but when was the last time you saw a chimpanzee wearing pants? Or a dolphin?
Humans are animals. Any separation between us and non-human animals ought to be founded on old traditional or religious thinking rather than any scientific reasoning.
I keep seeing people writing that humans, in difference to animals, relies on reasoning rather than instincts, but that's not at all in line what modern ethology and anthropology will tell us. Humans relies on instincts just as much, in some cases to a greater extent, than animals. Elephants, for example, are less dependent on primal neurological impulses when it comes to basic, everyday decisions than most human beings seems to be.
I also see people claiming that humans in difference to animals have "souls", but I don't even see any point in trying to counter-argument such bs.
As to intelligence, well many monkeys and apes shows signs of intelligence that are pratically human, and modern research in the area of ethology and animal intelligence constantly challenges old perceptions. I think the difference between a human, and a highly intelligent non-human animals such as a pig, a dolphin or a gorilla, is considerably smaller than most humans like to think.
I keep seeing people writing that humans, in difference to animals, relies on reasoning rather than instincts, but that's not at all in line what modern ethology and anthropology will tell us. Humans relies on instincts just as much, in some cases to a greater extent, than animals. Elephants, for example, are less dependent on primal neurological impulses when it comes to basic, everyday decisions than most human beings seems to be.
I also see people claiming that humans in difference to animals have "souls", but I don't even see any point in trying to counter-argument such bs.
As to intelligence, well many monkeys and apes shows signs of intelligence that are pratically human, and modern research in the area of ethology and animal intelligence constantly challenges old perceptions. I think the difference between a human, and a highly intelligent non-human animals such as a pig, a dolphin or a gorilla, is considerably smaller than most humans like to think.
We're humans, they're not. Otherwise, we're ALL animals.
You can say whatever you want, but we are.
I just don't like acting like humans are somehow above being genetically related to other species.
Sure, we do things that other animals can't or won't do; but we still came from the same place as everything else.
You can say whatever you want, but we are.
I just don't like acting like humans are somehow above being genetically related to other species.
Sure, we do things that other animals can't or won't do; but we still came from the same place as everything else.
Creativity and imagination.CulixCupric said:
We do not "accept." We do not "adapt." Animals accept and adapt to the world around them as it is. For better or worse, we see potential -- that's the "imagination" -- and we feel a need to design ways of making that happen -- that's the "creativity."
Other animals have an inkling of this, like monkeys and crows using basic tools. But nowhere near what we have as a species.