What would gay porn filmed by and for women look like?

[Blood Brain Barrier]

Well i presume that lesbians get the same kick men do out of lesbian porn, so i dont see why it would be any different. I could be wrong though, I love lesbians but I dont know if its in the same way that lesbians love lesbians.

Lesbian porn aimed at lesbians is completely different from lesbian porn aimed at men. There is a quite funny video of actual lesbians reacting to watching the male-aimed stuff here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJvYprLDcRs

I'd like to see ACTUAL actual lesbians reacting to that vid you posted. Mainly because I don't think real lesbians, or at least the normal non-attention seeking ones, would walk around with a pink "legalize gays" top on. I think that's called a token homosexual.

So because she isn't hiding her sexuality and has a message relating to a problem many feel passionately about and are campaigning against she must be fake? do you not see how ridicules this attitude is? You don't know her and have no cause to call her liar.

That's exactly what I would say to the girls watching the lesbian porn. If they're entitled to call those girls straight and fling insults at them, i'm entitled to make a call on what I see as well. It just doesn't look genuine to me.

 

[piinyouri]

In most cases, yaoi the live action version.
Not that it's a rule across the board, I have a female friend who excitedly admitted to wanting to see two big hairy guys going at it, exclaiming that it would be insanely hot.

She's kind of out there though. No filter between that one's brain and mouth.

 

[evilneko]

Well i presume that lesbians get the same kick men do out of lesbian porn, so i dont see why it would be any different. I could be wrong though, I love lesbians but I dont know if its in the same way that lesbians love lesbians.

Lesbian porn aimed at lesbians is completely different from lesbian porn aimed at men. There is a quite funny video of actual lesbians reacting to watching the male-aimed stuff here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJvYprLDcRs

I'd like to see ACTUAL actual lesbians reacting to that vid you posted. Mainly because I don't think real lesbians, or at least the normal non-attention seeking ones, would walk around with a pink "legalize gays" top on. I think that's called a token homosexual.

I know at least one that regularly wears a "Vagitarian" shirt.

 

[Silvanus]

That's exactly what I would say to the girls watching the lesbian porn. If they're entitled to call those girls straight and fling insults at them, i'm entitled to make a call on what I see as well. It just doesn't look genuine to me.

The idea of a lesbian deep-throating a stiletto seems more genuine to you...?

Not at aaaaaall as if it's tailored to an unrealistic (male) fantasy?

I think the women in the video had better reason to make the call than you do.

 

[Something Amyss]

And is there a potential untapped market for it?

Given it exists, I would say that there is no potential untapped market.

You can find porn for women by women in a lot of specialty locales on the web. It comes (pardon the pun) in many flavours. It's possible it's a niche market for a reason.

Note: possible, not guaranteed.

 

[Something Amyss]

I'd like to see ACTUAL actual lesbians reacting to that vid you posted. Mainly because I don't think real lesbians, or at least the normal non-attention seeking ones, would walk around with a pink "legalize gays" top on. I think that's called a token homosexual.

Really? I mean, how many gays have you ever associated with?

One of the biggest issues with LGBT rights is that they're easy to ignore if not placed in public. This is why homosexuals are frequently accused of rubbing straight peoples' faces in it. In fact, even doing stuff straight people do (holding hands in public, kissing) without much attention is as such.

There's a good chunk of gays and lesbians who do very bluntly promote their sexuality or issues related to it like that. To dismiss these women as not actual lesbians because of that is as absurd as the women in the video dismissing the video based on things like "real lesbians don't like penetration" or "real lesbians need consistency" or the like[footnote]That's not to say that the high heel bit doesn't sound specifically constructed for men, mind, or that they don't have some decent points. Just that some of them are absurd[/footnote]. Honestly, I took the video as being more for comedy's sake, so at least they seem to have a legit reason to behave this way. The featured video on the channel ends with a bunch of gay guys saying "thank you, vagina." It's quite hilarious. And maybe they're being honest, maybe not. I don't know, I don't care, it's still hilarious.

But then, these videos appear to be intentionally absurd. I don't think you're doing the same.

Then again, perhaps your definition of "attention-seeking" falls in step with my previous "rubbing their faces in it" comment. I don't know.

Women tend to be more... fluid with their sexuality. The stereotypes aren't pounded into women as hard as they are with men (hehe)

More to the point, we live in a culture that pushes a sense of feminine beauty on everyone, because it treats male as default. Many cultures are like this, and Japan appears to be no exception. While sexuality may or may not be fluid, specific concepts of beauty are.

She's kind of out there though. No filter between that one's brain and mouth.

perhaps that makes her more honest about it than most, though. I know a lot of people won't admit what they really want to see.

Not me, though. I have difficulty lying or even being dishonest in the first place. Leads me to having a limited social filter myself.

 

[Lieju]

I know a lot of people won't admit what they really want to see.

Not me!

It's just kinda difficult to find lesbian porn where they re-enact invertebrate mating rituals while debating scientific subjects. Also there should be dinosaurs and one of the lesbians could be a dragon in disguise.

Why does no-one pander my tastes, damnit?

Serioauly, though, I might be talking as a lesbian, but I need the emotional and intellectual side to sex to find it sexy.

 

[Blood Brain Barrier]

That's exactly what I would say to the girls watching the lesbian porn. If they're entitled to call those girls straight and fling insults at them, i'm entitled to make a call on what I see as well. It just doesn't look genuine to me.

The idea of a lesbian deep-throating a stiletto seems more genuine to you...?

Not at aaaaaall as if it's tailored to an unrealistic (male) fantasy?

I think the women in the video had better reason to make the call than you do.

And what call is that? Porn isn't made to look real, or be tailored to one group's perception of what is realistic. Why the fuck should lesbian porn be realistic?

 

[Silvanus]

And what call is that? Porn isn't made to look real, or be tailored to one group's perception of what is realistic. Why the fuck should lesbian porn be realistic?

What? No reason at all. I didn't say it should be.

I think you misunderstood my point.

 

[NemotheElvenPanda]

I have seen tons of gay porn because naturally, I am a gay man. When you put something like "The Stag God" against some homoerotic pulp fiction beloved by middle aged women everywhere, there are a lot of difference. Same with bara and yaoi.

-More focus on plot than porn.
-The actors/men/characters are more androgynous with one being a borderline girl who is very shy and timid, and the other just pretty if older and severe.
-An atmosphere of anxiety and unbridled love that you can cut with a knife.
-Assloads of glamor. Everywhere.
-A strange top-bottom dichotomy that edges towards straight up BDSM master-slave relationships.

Now I'm not saying that there aren't women that like some good, old-fashioned man on man action, hair, bulk, leather, and all, or that the above is not enjoyed by other men. There are certain trends though.

 

[Something Amyss]

Not me!

It's just kinda difficult to find lesbian porn where they re-enact invertebrate mating rituals while debating scientific subjects. Also there should be dinosaurs and one of the lesbians could be a dragon in disguise.

Why does no-one pander my tastes, damnit?

Serioauly, though, I might be talking as a lesbian, but I need the emotional and intellectual side to sex to find it sexy.

Rule 34, dammit!

I prefer the intellectual and emotional side to sex myself. I find myself settling a lot in porn.

And what call is that? Porn isn't made to look real, or be tailored to one group's perception of what is realistic. Why the fuck should lesbian porn be realistic?

You're questioning the legitimacy of lesbians judging "lesbian" porn as being made by men for men. It's not an actual question of "realism."

 

[Lieju]

And what call is that? Porn isn't made to look real, or be tailored to one group's perception of what is realistic. Why the fuck should lesbian porn be realistic?

Not necessarily, but the point was that it tends to be tailored for men. The lack of realism can hurt the enjoyement of a person who actually knows about the subject, this applies for anything; just look at all the complaints for how gaming is presented in tv or movies.

And considering how some of the stuff I've seen didn't even seem to know where women keep their vaginas...

Now, I'm not opposed to men enjoying lesbian porn, but it would be nice if it was less prevalent. Also a lot of lesbians get harassed in real life by men who get their ideas on lesbians from porn so it's obvious some people don't get it is unrealistic fantasy and treat real women like they exist for their sexual titillation.

 

[TheRookie8]

I'd say it'd be pretty much like seeing "The Hangover 2" after seeing "The Hangover 1".

 

[Something Amyss]

And considering how some of the stuff I've seen didn't even seem to know where women keep their vaginas...

It's not that, they just mistake the belly button for the clitoris. >.>

Now, I'm not opposed to men enjoying lesbian porn, but it would be nice if it was less prevalent.

More to the point, it'd be nice if it weren't so frequently tailored specifically to men from men.

Also a lot of lesbians get harassed in real life by men who get their ideas on lesbians from porn so it's obvious some people don't get it is unrealistic fantasy and treat real women like they exist for their sexual titillation.

Of course, treating women as pure titilation has more to do with society at large than porn specifically. I'd imagine it's effect more than cause.

Christ, I've known guys who seriously believe women have no sexuality/interest in sex. And that's like..."what?" But it exists.

Also, while people will probably roll their eyes at talking about media portrayals (even within a thread that should be on-topic), but seriously, women are portrayed in media as though their entire lives revolve around men. If they aren't driven to get a man, they're the hostage that motivates the man, etc.

As much as people ***** about the Bechdel test, there's a reason it became a test. Women are relatively insignificant in media in general.

And lesbian porn? Porn where women want women for women's sake? Doesn't compute with the general mindset.

 

[Relish in Chaos]

Highly romanticised and passionate sex between androgynous-looking, metrosexual men, possibly with an ?uke/seme? relationship and/or some kind of denial of their homo/bisexuality. So basically, gay porn aimed at women would be live-action yaoi featuring twinks.

 

[Blood Brain Barrier]

And what call is that? Porn isn't made to look real, or be tailored to one group's perception of what is realistic. Why the fuck should lesbian porn be realistic?

You're questioning the legitimacy of lesbians judging "lesbian" porn as being made by men for men. It's not an actual question of "realism."

In a capitalist society, if it fits two requirements then it's legitimate:
1. It makes money;
2. No one gets hurt.

It may be hypocritical for the girls to condemn, but never illegitimate.

 

[Something Amyss]

In a capitalist society, if it fits two requirements then it's legitimate:
1. It makes money;
2. No one gets hurt.

It may be hypocritical for the girls to condemn, but never illegitimate.

You're using legitimacy in a different sense, and I suspect deliberately so. It would not apply to the women in the video you were commenting on, so you really should know better.

Care to try again?

 

[DanielBrown]

Pretty sure this has been mentioned a few times, but I got a feeling it would be quite story driven and feature an insecure, very feminine guy being romantisexed by a feminine-but-not-just-as-feminine-as-the-other-one guy... My sister has a lot of manga with such themes. x.x
Don't think there's an untapped market for it though. While women obviously watch porn as well, they generally aren't as into visual stimulance as men. Most would probably stick to their stories.

 

[shootthebandit]

As a straight male id just like to point out that im not keen on lesbian porn. Infact i find it rather boring

Raise your hand if you are a straight male who finds this shit boring (this is where a like button or a thumbs up/down would be handy on these forums)

 

[Blood Brain Barrier]

In a capitalist society, if it fits two requirements then it's legitimate:
1. It makes money;
2. No one gets hurt.

It may be hypocritical for the girls to condemn, but never illegitimate.

You're using legitimacy in a different sense, and I suspect deliberately so. It would not apply to the women in the video you were commenting on, so you really should know better.

Care to try again?

I think you should be the one to try again since you're the one who brought up this concept of legitimacy and I'm hardly to know what was on your mind specifically when you mentioned it, especially when it didn't seem to bear any relationship to what it was in reply to.