What's the opposite of a SJW?

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undeadsuitor said:
both are vague titles that have little to absolutely nothing do with either group
I wouldn't quite go that far. The reason SJW became a pejorative term was because of the consistent actions of people who online where self proclaimed social justice warriors. Which is why it amazes me people actually go so far as to pretend they don't exist, when the reason it's used as an insult is because of how people who straight up called themselves such acted.
 

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It's kind of similar to asking "What's the opposite of a Christian/Muslim/Hindu/Whatever?" Not very easily defined. Aside from the Games industry having some notable personalities that many feel do fall under the title 'SJW', this topic doesn't really belong in Games Industry discussion and doesn't seem to be focused on anything industry related. I vote to move it to R&P.
 

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EJW

Ethical Journalism Warriors

both are vague titles that have little to absolutely nothing do with either group
Doesn't roll off the tongue as well, but not a bad choice.
 

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In terms of over-the-top reactions to social concerns that they largely made up (ie the meaning of "SJW" before it was ruined and now you have to be nice to SJWs or you'll look like the only kind of person on the internet who's even worse), I'd say it's fedoras.

Fedoras, because they are essentially the foil to the tumblr-style SJW. However, the catch is in the fact that they are more similar to their much-hated Tumblrites than they are different.

For instance, on "This is Thin Privilege", SJWs can be seen complaining about, among other things, that an example of "thin privilege" is the fact that a woman with a body type more closely matching the ideal has better dating prospects. Meanwhile over in the Manosphere, one can see fedoras complaining about men who are "naturals" or "alphas" having privilege (though they don't use that exact word) that allows them a better selection of partners.

Economically, Tumblr SJWs may latch on to a sort of watered-down, severely misunderstood Marxism that essentially replaces "capitalist class" with "patriarchy" and "means of production" with "culture" and that the communist revolution will be only one part of the overall social revolution (indicating that they understand neither Marxism nor feminism) because wealth privilege is also a tool of the patriarchy. Fedoras, on the other hand, unthinkingly embrace libertarianism, because it allows them to think that they're important and powerful, and also to conveniently ignore that no matter how you slice it luck does play a role in your success (as does, to a certain extent, privilege). It also allows them to deflect and claim that it is actually women and minorities who are economically privileged because of non-discrimination laws.

They both demonstrate a creepy fetishization of Asia. In the PUA side of the Manosphere, you get the ideas that "Western Women" have been corrupted by feminism (as if that's the reason they can't get laid, rather than the attitude underlying that exact idea) and therefore Asian women are pure, traditional, vulnerable, sexually submissive, and will do anything you want, and therefore are infinitely superior as partners and you must do everything in your power to get to an Asian woman before the feminists do (the most truly bugnuts insane spin on this that I've seen is that "the feminists" are also trying to pursue the genetic purity of Asian women so that they can have genetically superior followers). At its most vile, it even invokes some eugenics arguments about how Asians are genetically superior and therefore white people must clean up the gene pool by pursuing Asian partners at all costs. On the fedora side, it's much of the same, combined with a deep confusion of how closely anime represents Japanese culture and an attending refusal to tolerate criticisms of anime or Japanese video games based on the claim that the object of criticism is "a part of the culture". The SJWs, for their part, have transethnic Japanese women.

My Asian friends have informed me that all of that is some of the most disgustingly racist shit that they have ever seen in the US.

They both selectively worship and despite science based on how it confirms or refutes their arguments. Obesity denialists will worship studies that show situations in which obesity is not harmful while at the same time criticizing the entire medical field when it says that overall it's healthier to be of normal weight than to be obese. Likewise PUAs and fedoras will happily blow the evo psych trumpet when it allows them to say things like "women naturally evolved to be sexually coy, you need certain techniques to break down last minute resistance [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape]" or try to justify flagrantly sexist attitudes with claims that what they are doing is just "acknowledging biological differences", and will accuse of being feminist shills/SJW panderers/"Politically Correct" any scientist who calls that out for the bullshit that it is.

SJWs have "victims of cheating" and the attitude that cheating happens because patriarchy rather than just having a shitty boyfriend, fedoras have "cuckolding" and claim that it happens because of "hypergamy" rather than just having a shitty girlfriend. SJWs have "relationship anxiety", fedoras have the friendzone.

SJWs will try to play Oppression Olympics by saying that, even though they may be white and upper-middle class and attending private college on their parents' dime, they are still victims because they might have to, say, "Know that their race and privilege makes them oppressors." Fedoras will, do the same thing, claiming that they are victims of discrimination towards various subsets of nerd culture.

Basically, both fedoras and SJWs are a bunch of complete nerds with literally nothing better to do than piss and moan about made-up social causes, they differ only in the names that they give to their imagined oppressors.
 

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In a literal sense? Reactionaries, because what you described is basically the definition of reactionary.

In the sense of being a twisted mirror image? Redpill and the like, especially considering that they are exactly the kind of people who blame SJWs and whatever else for all their life's problems. The issue is, they do actively want to reverse social progress, so I don't know if that fits your parameters.
 

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In terms of over-the-top reactions to social concerns that they largely made up (ie the meaning of "SJW" before it was ruined and now you have to be nice to SJWs or you'll look like the only kind of person on the internet who's even worse), I'd say it's fedoras.

Fedoras, because they are essentially the foil to the tumblr-style SJW. However, the catch is in the fact that they are more similar to their much-hated Tumblrites than they are different.

For instance, on "This is Thin Privilege", SJWs can be seen complaining about, among other things, that an example of "thin privilege" is the fact that a woman with a body type more closely matching the ideal has better dating prospects. Meanwhile over in the Manosphere, one can see fedoras complaining about men who are "naturals" or "alphas" having privilege (though they don't use that exact word) that allows them a better selection of partners.

Economically, Tumblr SJWs may latch on to a sort of watered-down, severely misunderstood Marxism that essentially replaces "capitalist class" with "patriarchy" and "means of production" with "culture" and that the communist revolution will be only one part of the overall social revolution (indicating that they understand neither Marxism nor feminism) because wealth privilege is also a tool of the patriarchy. Fedoras, on the other hand, unthinkingly embrace libertarianism, because it allows them to think that they're important and powerful, and also to conveniently ignore that no matter how you slice it luck does play a role in your success (as does, to a certain extent, privilege). It also allows them to deflect and claim that it is actually women and minorities who are economically privileged because of non-discrimination laws.

They both demonstrate a creepy fetishization of Asia. In the PUA side of the Manosphere, you get the ideas that "Western Women" have been corrupted by feminism (as if that's the reason they can't get laid, rather than the attitude underlying that exact idea) and therefore Asian women are pure, traditional, vulnerable, sexually submissive, and will do anything you want, and therefore are infinitely superior as partners and you must do everything in your power to get to an Asian woman before the feminists do (the most truly bugnuts insane spin on this that I've seen is that "the feminists" are also trying to pursue the genetic purity of Asian women so that they can have genetically superior followers). At its most vile, it even invokes some eugenics arguments about how Asians are genetically superior and therefore white people must clean up the gene pool by pursuing Asian partners at all costs. On the fedora side, it's much of the same, combined with a deep confusion of how closely anime represents Japanese culture and an attending refusal to tolerate criticisms of anime or Japanese video games based on the claim that the object of criticism is "a part of the culture". The SJWs, for their part, have transethnic Japanese women.

My Asian friends have informed me that all of that is some of the most disgustingly racist shit that they have ever seen in the US.

They both selectively worship and despite science based on how it confirms or refutes their arguments. Obesity denialists will worship studies that show situations in which obesity is not harmful while at the same time criticizing the entire medical field when it says that overall it's healthier to be of normal weight than to be obese. Likewise PUAs and fedoras will happily blow the evo psych trumpet when it allows them to say things like "women naturally evolved to be sexually coy, you need certain techniques to break down last minute resistance [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape]" or try to justify flagrantly sexist attitudes with claims that what they are doing is just "acknowledging biological differences", and will accuse of being feminist shills/SJW panderers/"Politically Correct" any scientist who calls that out for the bullshit that it is.

SJWs have "victims of cheating" and the attitude that cheating happens because patriarchy rather than just having a shitty boyfriend, fedoras have "cuckolding" and claim that it happens because of "hypergamy" rather than just having a shitty girlfriend. SJWs have "relationship anxiety", fedoras have the friendzone.

SJWs will try to play Oppression Olympics by saying that, even though they may be white and upper-middle class and attending private college on their parents' dime, they are still victims because they might have to, say, "Know that their race and privilege makes them oppressors." Fedoras will, do the same thing, claiming that they are victims of discrimination towards various subsets of nerd culture.

Basically, both fedoras and SJWs are a bunch of complete nerds with literally nothing better to do than piss and moan about made-up social causes, they differ only in the names that they give to their imagined oppressors.
So what your saying is that by and large, those who wear the label are total cock wranglers with no desire to action any genuine change (however the fuck you're re supposed to do that) and just in it for what they get out of it? Fair enough. I mean in my youth I'd have been happy to shag a attractive Asian girl, but for all my other faults I'll happily own up to the notion that it's because I want to shag an Asian girl for its own sake, and I refuse to let arseholes ruin the Fedora: as long as Elwood and Jake Blues are remembered then that hat is cool.
 

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Keavy said:
Anti-social Injustice... Paladins?

Maybe a Cleric or Mage instead.

I mostly just agree with Fappy (always wanted to say that,) people who hate SJWs are usually, by their own definition of SJW, just a different kind of SJW really. I would say the opposite of an SJW is an SJW.
I feel like this perfectly summarizes my opinions.

Ah yes, the abyss. Beyond Good and Evil. "He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee."
in my opinion a lot of people who hate and fight social justice warriors have become just as annoying and hateful as them. They have become social justice warriors in all of its poetic irony
 

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Keavy said:
Anti-social Injustice... Paladins?

Maybe a Cleric or Mage instead.

I mostly just agree with Fappy (always wanted to say that,) people who hate SJWs are usually, by their own definition of SJW, just a different kind of SJW really. I would say the opposite of an SJW is an SJW.
I feel like this perfectly summarizes my opinions.

Ah yes, the abyss. Beyond Good and Evil. "He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee."
in my opinion a lot of people who hate and fight social justice warriors have become just as annoying and hateful as them. They have become social justice warriors in all of its poetic irony
Yeah, I gotta agree with tf2godz and Keavy, here. The people fighting vehemently against "SJWs" are just another type of SJW themselves. They exhibit the same behavior, the utilize the same tactics, and they engage in the same levels of tribalism, hyperbole, propaganda, and rhetoric as those they're fighting against.
Sure, they may be on a different part of the political continuum, but they're sitting on exactly the same part of the 'being a jerk' continuum as those they dislike.

TL;DR, to put it more succinctly:

Keavy said:
I would say the opposite of an SJW is an SJW.
 

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Not just someone who doesn't care, or even someone who actively promotes discrimination/oppression etc. The people who leap to blame SJWs for everything. The ones who treat them like a combination boogieman and Antichrist. What are those people called?
Conspiracy theorists, reactionaries, /pol/tards... take your pick.

For the one who asked for a description: a social justice warrior is a zealous advocate of the extreme, intolerant principles of social justice. Just how zealous you have to be to be an SJW is subjective, but that's the general idea.
 

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IceForce said:
tf2godz said:
Keavy said:
Anti-social Injustice... Paladins?

Maybe a Cleric or Mage instead.

I mostly just agree with Fappy (always wanted to say that,) people who hate SJWs are usually, by their own definition of SJW, just a different kind of SJW really. I would say the opposite of an SJW is an SJW.
I feel like this perfectly summarizes my opinions.

Ah yes, the abyss. Beyond Good and Evil. "He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee."
in my opinion a lot of people who hate and fight social justice warriors have become just as annoying and hateful as them. They have become social justice warriors in all of its poetic irony
Yeah, I gotta agree with tf2godz and Keavy, here. The people fighting vehemently against "SJWs" are just another type of SJW themselves. They exhibit the same bahavior, the utilize the same tactics, and they engage in the same levels of tribalism, hyperbole, propaganda, and rhetoric as those they're fighting against.
Sure, they may be on a different part of the political continuum, but they're sitting on exactly the same part of the 'being a jerk' continuum as those they dislike.

TL;DR, to put it more succinctly:

Keavy said:
I would say the opposite of an SJW is an SJW.
Figured I'd upvote this notion as well.
The main difference is I find those who fight and rant about """"""""""""""""""""""SJWs"""""""""""""""""""""" much more annoying because they are usually a lot more vocal around these parts.
That and I end up encountering more of them then actual """"""""""""""""""""""SJWs"""""""""""""""""""""", mostly because my online habits are usually devoid of looking at twitter for something to offend me.
 

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, mostly because my online habits are usually devoid of looking at twitter for something to offend me.
Indeed, (some) people look to video games to find things to be offended about so they can gripe about it on Twitter, and (some) gamers look to twitter to find things to be offended about so they can gripe about it here.

It's a vicious cycle. But there is a solution:

"It's simple, we kill the Twitter."

 

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I don't know... what is the opposite of "made-up boogeyman that conveniently represents everything I hate"?
 

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McMarbles said:
I don't know... what is the opposite of "made-up boogeyman that conveniently represents everything I hate"?
Real hero that inconveniently represent everything you love? You walk into that one buddy XD
 

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In my mind a SJW is someone who advocates for censorship of disagreeing voices, while using postmodernist and feminist reasons to call that not censorship.

The opposite of that would be someone who advocates for civil liberties.
You're not actually inverting the concept then. The logical opposite of what you defined a SJW as would be a person who defends civil liberties using outdated philosophy and bigotry, which would fall outside of the OP's parameters.

EDIT: I suppose the other logical opposite could be someone who defends bigotry and outdated philosophy using civil liberties. Or just a regular negation, but that would just give us everyone who is not a SJW, which is rather useless.
 

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Surely the obvious opposite to an SJW is just your basic internet troll. SJWs care about their ideology to a crazy standard of obsession and have no sense of humour; trolls care about nothing but like having a good laugh. At other people's expense, admittedly.