Where has the government got to? (UK Election based)

Akurenji

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So the Elections are coming up here in the UK to decide the next cause for a ruling in parliament, but does anyone else think we're left with a restricted choice?

I can so far work out that Labour favours a more Social-Democratic standpoint, whereas our Conservatism approach seems to have adapted to a more universal standpoint, compromising between traditional conservative beliefs and that of our current government. The Liberal Democrats are hardly anything unique, either, they opt for a more integrated method of Liberalism not too different from our current regime.

Why is it our country has such a limited choice, whereas mainstream American politicians range dramatically? Fundamental Liberalism works completely fine over there, besides the lack of universal healthcare of course; but you still get the impression that a truly Left/Right vote can count.

I myself believe in Egalitarian-Libertarianism, which seems to have no recognition what-so-ever in England. It's almost as if the main 3 parties have some kind of absolute-centrist policy with our Queen, or something.

So then, does anyone else think our country is restricted of choice. Also, would implementing the American style of government work better, do you suppose?
 

omega247

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I think its partly down to the main parties 'borrowing' each others policies which are deemed popular
 

Akurenji

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Yeah, which restricts choice. It's quite annoying really. It's like choosing between different shades of grey.
 

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Akurenji said:
So the Elections are coming up here in the UK to decide the next cause for a ruling in parliament, but does anyone else think we're left with a restricted choice?

I can so far work out that Labour favours a more Social-Democratic standpoint, whereas our Conservatism approach seems to have adapted to a more universal standpoint, compromising between traditional conservative beliefs and that of our current government. The Liberal Democrats are hardly anything unique, either, they opt for a more integrated method of Liberalism not too different from our current regime.

Why is it our country has such a limited choice, whereas mainstream American politicians range dramatically? Fundamental Liberalism works completely fine over there, besides the lack of universal healthcare of course; but you still get the impression that a truly Left/Right vote can count.

I myself believe in Egalitarian-Libertarianism, which seems to have no recognition what-so-ever in England. It's almost as if the main 3 parties have some kind of absolute-centrist policy with our Queen, or something.

So then, does anyone else think our country is restricted of choice. Also, would implementing the American style of government work better, do you suppose?
Wait, I am probably ignorant of Egalitarian-Libertarianism, but how is that possible? It seems like somewhat of a contradiction, or do you mean Egalitarian Liberalism or something?
I mean I have never heard the term used together, like Socialism+Small Government=??? How are you libertarian if you want the government to provide universal healthcare and such? I am confused?
 

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I still find it quite amusing that the Lib-Dems are saying that they are the newest of the main parties. The Liberals are the oldest, about six months older than the conservatives and the Scocial Democratic party has been around since before the start of the Labour movement. All that happened is that they merged to form the Liberal Social Democrats in the eighties and then changed their name when they realised what that spelt.
 

Akurenji

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benoitowns said:
Akurenji said:
So the Elections are coming up here in the UK to decide the next cause for a ruling in parliament, but does anyone else think we're left with a restricted choice?

I can so far work out that Labour favours a more Social-Democratic standpoint, whereas our Conservatism approach seems to have adapted to a more universal standpoint, compromising between traditional conservative beliefs and that of our current government. The Liberal Democrats are hardly anything unique, either, they opt for a more integrated method of Liberalism not too different from our current regime.

Why is it our country has such a limited choice, whereas mainstream American politicians range dramatically? Fundamental Liberalism works completely fine over there, besides the lack of universal healthcare of course; but you still get the impression that a truly Left/Right vote can count.

I myself believe in Egalitarian-Libertarianism, which seems to have no recognition what-so-ever in England. It's almost as if the main 3 parties have some kind of absolute-centrist policy with our Queen, or something.

So then, does anyone else think our country is restricted of choice. Also, would implementing the American style of government work better, do you suppose?
Wait, I am probably ignorant of Egalitarian-Libertarianism, but how is that possible? It seems like somewhat of a contradiction, or do you mean Egalitarian Liberalism or something?
I mean I have never heard the term used together, like Socialism+Small Government=??? How are you libertarian if you want the government to provide universal healthcare and such? I am confused?
I also thought such a thing was impossible, but after taking the Political Compass quiz I found Libertarianism and Egalitarianism function for different aspects: Egalitarianism for the economy, and Libertarianism for the social side; It's called being a 'Left-Libertarian'. I think it's about a desire for free trade, yet holding individual liberty.

Honestly, I havn't looked too much into it yet.
 

benoitowns

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Akurenji said:
benoitowns said:
Akurenji said:
So the Elections are coming up here in the UK to decide the next cause for a ruling in parliament, but does anyone else think we're left with a restricted choice?

I can so far work out that Labour favours a more Social-Democratic standpoint, whereas our Conservatism approach seems to have adapted to a more universal standpoint, compromising between traditional conservative beliefs and that of our current government. The Liberal Democrats are hardly anything unique, either, they opt for a more integrated method of Liberalism not too different from our current regime.

Why is it our country has such a limited choice, whereas mainstream American politicians range dramatically? Fundamental Liberalism works completely fine over there, besides the lack of universal healthcare of course; but you still get the impression that a truly Left/Right vote can count.

I myself believe in Egalitarian-Libertarianism, which seems to have no recognition what-so-ever in England. It's almost as if the main 3 parties have some kind of absolute-centrist policy with our Queen, or something.

So then, does anyone else think our country is restricted of choice. Also, would implementing the American style of government work better, do you suppose?
Wait, I am probably ignorant of Egalitarian-Libertarianism, but how is that possible? It seems like somewhat of a contradiction, or do you mean Egalitarian Liberalism or something?
I mean I have never heard the term used together, like Socialism+Small Government=??? How are you libertarian if you want the government to provide universal healthcare and such? I am confused?
I also thought such a thing was impossible, but after taking the Political Compass quiz I found Libertarianism and Egalitarianism function for different aspects: Egalitarianism for the economy, and Libertarianism for the social side; It's called being a 'Left-Libertarian'. I think it's about a desire for free trade, yet holding individual liberty.

Honestly, I havn't looked too much into it yet.
But how can you be abot liberty if you suggest that people should be forced by the government to give money to the poor or just people who have less than you? Yes we are all equal, but that means no one should be forced to do anything by another. Left Libertarianism isnt libertarianism, its called in America democrat. Liberal+Fiscal Irresponsibility.
 

Akurenji

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Furburt said:
I think it's mainly to do with the media stranglehold on the political arena. Nobody can say anything that remotely contradicts what is generally accepted, or the editorials will tear them to shreds, eventually forcing them to resign. With this, democracy has essentially stagnated, making it impossible for anyone to move at all, so all parties are rapidly becoming essentially the same. It's the political version of perfect competition.
That's an interesting point there. I suppose society is vastly dictated to by media, and the media of today is a very fast-moving one. If we account for previous revolutions, e.g. the 1917 Revolution of Russia, being in a time with a much slower-moving media; and a lower general standard of literacy.

Another thing the editorials also publish, however is any social frictions and tensions arising. History has seen countless changes due to social tension, even the rise of the BNP in recent years has demonstrated such in reaction to immigration.

Who knows, government MAY change in years to come.
 

Akurenji

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benoitowns said:
Akurenji said:
benoitowns said:
Akurenji said:
Honestly, I havn't looked too much into it yet.
But how can you be abot liberty if you suggest that people should be forced by the government to give money to the poor or just people who have less than you? Yes we are all equal, but that means no one should be forced to do anything by another. Left Libertarianism isnt libertarianism, its called in America democrat. Liberal+Fiscal Irresponsibility.
I said the American system worked well, mostly. But I'll have to look into this more before I can construct an arguement. I saw a manifesto produces by some Doctor of Politics about Egal-Libertarianism, which I'll have to consult further.
 

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Vote Lib Dem.

In all honesty the reason they've not got in for so long is the way our election results are gathered.
 

benoitowns

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Akurenji said:
benoitowns said:
Akurenji said:
benoitowns said:
Akurenji said:
Honestly, I havn't looked too much into it yet.
But how can you be abot liberty if you suggest that people should be forced by the government to give money to the poor or just people who have less than you? Yes we are all equal, but that means no one should be forced to do anything by another. Left Libertarianism isnt libertarianism, its called in America democrat. Liberal+Fiscal Irresponsibility.
I said the American system worked well, mostly. But I'll have to look into this more before I can construct an arguement. I saw a manifesto produces by some Doctor of Politics about Egal-Libertarianism, which I'll have to consult further.
Well until then, good luck. Until then, anarcho capitalism ftw!