White Knights, the true enemies of sexual equality.

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Montezuma's Lawyer

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On the Internet, women are treated like shit.

This is a fact of our current existence, and if you refuse to accept it, leave the thread now.

All over the internet, the general attitude towards women has always been demeaning, condescending, and fueled by sexism. Most of this treatment comes from immature children (of all ages.) who demand TITS OR GTFO, Men who immidiately disregard women, as soon as it is found they are women, similar to the old tradition of treating any woman with issues as being "Hysterical", and blatant sexists, who insist on perpetrating old illusions of gender roles.

All of these people are generally hated across the internet, and most people would never side with them on this issue. In Fact, some people appearently hate them so much, that they will leap into battle, armor-clad, to save the beautiful princess in distress.

These are the worst sexists of them all.


White Knight Syndrome

n. A personality characteristic found in most males that lead them to:
1. rush to the aid of any female they see who appears in any form of distress.
2. Become attracted to said damsel in distress.
3. Follow the dying code of chivalry and generally act like a nice guy.

Also called young man's disease.


You might ask, Montezuma's Lawyer, how can these people be bad? They rush to defend someone being discriminated against!

Simple, my young Tadpole. You see, It is an often forgotten fact that Women are Human Beings, and are to be treated as such. A woman being picked on, on the internet, is not a poor dog caught in a bear trap; But rather, should be seen exactly as if a man were being treated the same way.

Dont misunderstand the last sentence, I do not mean that women should be treated the same as men, but that ALL PEOPLE shall be treated equally, regardless of accidents of birth.

By rushing to the defense of someone on the internet, and fighting their battles for them, you deprive them of their humanity, you take away their ability to defend themselves, and instead force your own opinions into the situations, often either blowing the entire situation out of proportion, or making it worse through vehemently defending minor points.

Wall of text, getting big, time to wrap up.

Women are Human Beings, capable of defending themselves. Do not take their right to self defense away, by doing it for them. Chivalry is dying for a reason, in a world where women are gaining more rights, as they deserve, chivalry has no place; Women should be treated equal to men in all aspects of society, Including when being picked on.

TLDR: Do not defend someone because they are a woman, defend someone because they are a person.
 

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Montezuma said:
White Knight Syndrome

n. A personality characteristic found in most males that lead them to:
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3. Follow the dying code of chivalry and generally act like a nice guy.
So you would rather men didn't treat women decently and act like a nice person? Maybe I'm just old fashoned in thinking that chivalry is a good thing compared to youngsters and their MP3s and their internets these days. Obvious irony is obvious

TLDR: Do not defend someone because they are a woman, defend someone because they are a person.
That's all very well and on the whole I agree with the fact that women can be treated poorly on the internet, when they are singled out, because they are women but on the occasion that a female storms onto the internet and says "LOOOK! I am a woman!!11" then they are going to get attention and they know it. At that point they have no right to complain.
 

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TimeLord said:
Montezuma said:
White Knight Syndrome

n. A personality characteristic found in most males that lead them to:
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3. Follow the dying code of chivalry and generally act like a nice guy.
So you would rather men didn't treat women decently and act like a nice person?

TLDR: Do not defend someone because they are a woman, defend someone because they are a person.
That's all very well and on the whole I agree with the fact that women can be treated poorly on the internet when they are singled out as women, because they are women but on the occasion that a female storms onto the internet and says "LOOOK! I am a woman!!11" then they are going to get attention and they know it. At that point they have no right to complain.
I've heard this idea so many times. Let me say this:

Male is not normal, female abnormal. Male is not the default, female the exception. Asserting that you are a woman, or saying something that makes it obvious you are a woman is not "showing off" or "attention whoring" or "flaunting" your gender. It is being who you are.

Men do not get accused of attention seeking for saying "I'm a bloke" or talking in a way that makes it obvious that they are male. I'm sick of this double standard.
 

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ms_sunlight said:
I've heard this idea so many times. Let me say this:

Male is not normal, female abnormal. Male is not the default, female the exception. Asserting that you are a woman, or saying something that makes it obvious you are a woman is not "showing off" or "attention whoring" or "flaunting" your gender. It is being who you are.

Men do not get accused of attention seeking for saying "I'm a bloke" or talking in a way that makes it obvious that they are male. I'm sick of this double standard.
No, men don't get attention for flaunting the fact that they are a bloke. But since women are the minority on the internet, and know it, when they call themselves out on it to the rest of the internet then they know that they are doing and know what to accept in the way of attention. I'm not against quietly setting their Escapist profile to female or anything like that but when you feel like starting a post with "As a woman..." then I feel like replying to them saying that it's doesn't matter that you're a woman, it doesn't matter your gender, sexuality, or skin colour. I doesn't make your opinion more entitled, it just draws attention to it.

I'm not saying it's right, or proper or anything. But it happens.
I'm not even saying that women are treated like crap on the internet. Just that the attention a minority draw to themselves is sometimes their own fault.
 

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Right... Going to guess OP is a guy. How would you know women get treat like shit? I certainly don't. Can't speak for all ladies but I'm pretty sure my friends don't get much trouble. You make it sound like we can't turn a corner without someone spewing sexist bullshit at us. Yes, some guys are like that online, but they're also like that in real life. It's something you just have to deal with, and laugh off or dish it back out in my case.

I hate the idea people think just because a guy is defending a girl, he's a 'white knight' or he wants to get into her pants or whatever people might say. Maybe some guys are like that, but I'd like to think men would defend another man if getting abused on the Internet. I'd have no problem sticking up for another girl or a guy if some idiot on here started spewing crap at them for example. It's like if you saw someone getting racially abused, you'd step in. It's not because you're a white knight (probably wrong phrase to use right now, but lulz) it's because it's the right thing to do.
It's not exactly taking away our right to fight for ourselves is it? If some fucktard wants to pick a fight with me, he can sure as hell get prepared for a slanging match. I think most women I know can stand their own ground in an argument. Someone sticking up for is always a nice feeling though, but that's regardless of gender.
 

Montezuma's Lawyer

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TimeLord said:
Montezuma said:
White Knight Syndrome

n. A personality characteristic found in most males that lead them to:
.
.
.
3. Follow the dying code of chivalry and generally act like a nice guy.
So you would rather men didn't treat women decently and act like a nice person? Maybe I'm just old fashoned in thinking that chivalry is a good thing compared to youngsters and their MP3s and their internets these days. Obvious irony is obvious

TLDR: Do not defend someone because they are a woman, defend someone because they are a person.
TimeLord said:
Montezuma said:
White Knight Syndrome

n. A personality characteristic found in most males that lead them to:
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3. Follow the dying code of chivalry and generally act like a nice guy.
So you would rather men didn't treat women decently and act like a nice person?
I wouldnt object if most people did it for the right reasons, instead of using it as a badge of honor. To be used to hold over the heads of others.
 

EeveeElectro

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Montezuma said:
EeveeElectro said:
It's something you just have to deal with
Why should you EVER have to deal with being treated poorly? Unless you somehow think women deserve to be treated poorly.
No, you have to deal with the fact some men still think that way, and sucks to be them if it does. There's no point in arguing with some of them because I bet their heads are so far up their arse they can't be persuaded otherwise.
 

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Well, somebody being nice to other people - no matter why - is hardly much of a problem in itself.

Expecting them to conform to some sort of gender role merely because you're nice to them? Yeah, that's bullshit, but since nobody is forcing them to do so, then simply ignoring such expectations is the way to go.

So reap the rewards, ignore why they were handed out, and certainly don't pay for them. Solid business scheme right there.

Also, unless the OP is a woman, there's some rather blatant irony at play in this thread.

White Knight v. 2,0
 

AstylahAthrys

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Uh.

What's wrong with that? I've always been under the impression that the guys who tell the assholes to get off my back are being nice. Sometimes the assholes won't stop until more than one person tells them to shut up, and sometimes they don't care what I have to say about the matter. For instance, once I was being berated about being a girl on XBL, and the guy was calling me a lesbian. I politely said no, I'm not, but he wouldn't let it go. It had to take another person saying "Dude, shut the fuck up, she's not a lesbian, get over it" for him to stop.


How is that sexist? They're not expecting me to conform to any gender roles. I wasn't a damsel in distress, I was being harassed by a troll, and I was choosing to not elevate the situation even though he tried. The guy in question didn't get any from me, in fact, I don't even think we joined up in the next match. He was just doing the right thing.

And as a woman, I think that you're so off the mark on this one that it's borderline offensive. Fortunately, it's still on the side of misinformed. You're saying that we shouldn't be defended because we're women. Hey, guess what, I'd defend a guy in a situation where it was 90% girls and 10% guys because it's the right thing to do. It's never good to gang up on anyone because they're different. They're not depriving the victim of they're right to defend themselves. They're being helpful.
 

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OP should focus specifically on bashing chivalry as a complex and not chivalry as an art.

Otherwise it's reminiscent of those more radical elements in the feminist movement who believed that the only way to eliminate sexism was to eliminate masculinity. Consequently, it reached a turning point of the 'militant feminist' stereotype which served as an excuse for a pervasive counter revolution.

I'm convinced that disrespect has again become a problem for females. However, you should recognize that society will wear veils and use your elements against you. Hence the objectionable depiction of heroines that comics are (barely) getting away with.

Mature chivalry is a more passive worldview which is beneficial to the fairer sex where its energy is applied. (real) masculinity isn't the problem.
 

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You've been on the internet right? People spew bile at everyone and everything. Hell, even I do it. There's a stereotype for every ethnicity, group, gender. If I, or anyone in an online game, gets the slightest hint of your demographic, we will tear it apart in an attempt to get to you. If we don't know we take our best guess. This is the nature of online gaming, and half the reason I love it so much. Nothing is sacred.

Are you a girl with an obvious name or using a mic? You bet I'm going to try my best to upset you. Same goes if your username hints at your real life name, nationality, or you happen to have an accent or a lisp. I'm not actually sexist, racist or homophobic. It's just that the whole point of playing games is to destroy your opponents, and in many cases your team mates. I don't care if you're the nicest person alive or you belong to my own demographic. I'll still try my best to see if I can't make you ashamed you exist, or worse, make you sink to my level.
 

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Imperator_DK said:
Also, unless the OP is a woman, there's some rather blatant irony at play in this thread.
I can understand where Irony would be seen, I dont think it applies, but you're free to that point of view.

I just abhor sexism of all kinds.
 

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I don't think it's the worst kind of sexism, but it's still pretty bad. However, I'm also annoyed by how white knight tends to be tossed around a little too much, particularly towards male feminists. But yeah, doing good things for someone BECAUSE they are female is sexist. I mean it should be kinda frigging obvious that treating someone differently based on their sex is sexist. I struggle to see where any controversy lies.
 

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A white knight topic which contains discontent towards the white knight attitude. The Irony is strong in this one.

Oh and also, i detest the Politically correct attitude towards humor. I guess the only correct humor is self derision because you can always hurt someone's feelings with other jokes. Oh sure it sometimes get obnoxious, but humors obviously defer and if we were to censor people's humors because it's not the same as yours 0 jokes would remain "acceptable".

(because yes most of the Misogynistic content on the net is often meant as a joke)
 

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Montezuma said:
I can understand where Irony would be seen, I dont think it applies, but you're free to that point of view.

I just abhor sexism of all kinds.
...but apparently also love to champion this view on behalf of womenkind on the internet ;-)
 

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Montezuma said:
"White Knights, the true enemies of sexual equality" really? REALLY? Guys trying to get other guys to women equally to men are worse than those who still truly believe that women should be in the kitchen?

Guys trying to convince other guys to think like a person from 2011 rather than the 40's are worse than "tits or GTFO"? REALLY?

Since you think like that ... *****, please! (joking)

Don't say they are worse 'cos they are trying to help women everywhere rather than letting some guys (I know 95% of people putting "tits or GTFO" don't actually think that) think women are second class citizens.

I know one post saying "get with the 21st century" isn't going to make the guy have an epiphany but would you rather nobody said anything and it become perfectly acceptable to shout sexist things at you? That isn't moving towards equality, that's moving backwards ...